Graphics card name-bashing

[lookouthere]

If ATI retire 4830 cards, they would be able to make more 4850 and 4870 cards, thus making more profits margins. Also, if they can make enough 40nm rv740 chips, they would be able to drive the price down since there will be 4750 with gddr3 coming. This essentially make 4600series cards the lowest end and rv740 mid range card, and 4890 high-end card. This is good for consumers to be able to play back videos or play games at reasonable resolutions.

 

[taltamir]

Originally posted by: Sylvanas
Personally, I don't care what it's named I care how it performs and what features it has. It's not difficult to Google search reviews on a card and then read through the review, look at the pretty bar graphs then decide what to buy given your budget and how card x performs in games etc- the cards name doesn't matter one bit.

yap... although I AM pissed off when a company pull a bait and switch (replace a part with an identically names, lower performing part)

 

[cbn]

Originally posted by: chronodekar
Seriously this is getting ridiculous !!! About 6/8 months ago I buy a Nvidia 8600GT and a week later I hear something better came along.

OK, that's life. I can put up with that.


But to tell me that the ATI 4770 is better than the 4850 is just too much. ATI, I had respect for you. I really did. Now ... I just don't know what to think any more.

Is the numbering of the graphics card important to you guys too ? Or is everyone so used to the situation, that I'm just making noise?

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KeithTalent

I think the idea is for 4770 to replace 4830 (since making these from disabled RV770 cores and 4850 PCB is expensive)

So with 4830 removed 4770 fits in with the progression of 4770-->4850-->4870 (in order of increasing performance)

 

[chronodekar]

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
Model numbers are model numbers. There's only consistency in certain ways. The first number is the overall generation. The second is the series within that generation. The third is where the card goes in that series. ....

From the manufacturers point of view, it's important that the model numbers represent the chipset family, but from a customers point of view, I don't think we really need to be exposed to those details... unless we're looking for them.

Which brings me to the next point, doing my homework. I like reading, and I can understand how it is possible that an earlier family of chipset can be faster than a newer one thanks to die-shrinks and the like.

But seriously, the amount of HW you need to do these days before buying a graphics card is just staggering. When I left college, I thought that I had left that all behind me, but now it seems that every GPU vendor out there is conspiring against me.

Its all fun & games if you're in the field, but when you want to talk to your younger brother about purchasing a graphics card, ... let's just say that getting a blank stare is ... disappointing. (especially after all the HW you just did)

 

[taltamir]

more choices =! more happiness

 

[dflynchimp]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: MarcVenice
Whats wrong with you? Are you the kind of person that would upgrade his 8800gt to a 9800gt? If so, this thread has no merit, if it has any to begin with.

And HD 4770 isn't better then HD 4850, it's better then HD 4830.

Yech on "upgrading" from 4870 to 4890
- i am SO underwhelmed with my 4890 i am going to keep using 4870 as my test card

or very little from GTX260+ to 275

or 10% going GTX280 to 285

Just overclock till the next gen

this reminds me of back in the days of x800>x800xt>x800xtPE>x850>x850xt>x850xtPE
.. and i forgot the numbers game Nvidia was also playing with them

at least the Price is Down for the top cards
-that IS progress

You forgot X800SE, X800PRO, X800XL, X800GT 128, X800GT 256, X800GTO 128, X800GTO 256, X800 GTO², Radeon X800 GTO-16 X800PRO VIVO, X800XT VIVO, X850PRO



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C...X7xx.2C_X8xx.29_series

the list is ungodly long

 

[bunnyfubbles]

This really is an incredibly dumb argument, and I was shocked to see the same gripe made in the AT article. The 4830 is essentially going to be replaced by the 4770 and really is the only hitch in the naming scheme, as the 4850 really is a more powerful part than the 4770. Seriously, one hiccup from a relatively rare and obscure part that is only temporarily filling a niche and we actually get people making noise about it as if its some huge game changer when it will ultimately be a non issue when the 4830 gets phased out.

Originally posted by: dflynchimp
4770 will beat 4850 in places where memory bandwidth matters more, due to its GDDR5 memory, but in most cases the 4850 still beats 4770, from the reviews that I've seen.

Except the 4850 actually has greater memory bandwidth due to the 256bit interface as the GDDR5 isn't twice as fast as the GDDR3...

 

[MrK6]

Is it too much to ask that you actually educate yourself about the product you are buying/are interested in? Honestly, it's sad when people think it's their right to be comfortably ignorant. It isn't, if you can't keep up then get out. ATI's naming scheme makes perfect sense, and has been broken down several times by AT reviews. It's a hell of a lot better than NVIDIA just renaming the same part - ATI's card names at least have significance.

 

[Flipped Gazelle]

Originally posted by: MrK6
Is it too much to ask that you actually educate yourself about the product you are buying/are interested in? Honestly, it's sad when people think it's their right to be comfortably ignorant. It isn't, if you can't keep up then get out. ATI's naming scheme makes perfect sense, and has been broken down several times by AT reviews. It's a hell of a lot better than NVIDIA just renaming the same part - ATI's card names at least have significance.

I agree with that, but there is also validity to the point that mfr's deliberately obfuscate naming conventions to dupe the consumer. Just because consumers should do research prior to purchase does not exonerate the mfr's deceitful naming practices.

AMD (CPU) & Intel do a much better job in this regard than Ati/Nvidia .

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: Wreckage
Well no one should follow what marketing tells them to buy. Just do a little research. The 4770 is just a rebadge of some other part @ 40nm. Probably should have named it 4840 but whatever.

Go look at LCD TV's every company has like 40 model numbers just for their 52" part. That's why I just hit ole google to find what was what.

Originally posted by: MarcVenice

And HD 4770 isn't better then HD 4850, it's better then HD 4830.

Guru3D seems to say otherwise
http://www.guru3d.com/article/...deon-hd-4770-review/20

"I mean, for less than 100 bucks you'll be able to get a videocard that performs pretty much the same as the Radeon HD 4850."

Actual bench results from what I've seem don't agree with the half-assed guru3d conclusion.