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Paladin3

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How do you learn and train to do something like that? Your first flight must be scary as hell.
 

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How do you learn and train to do something like that? Your first flight must be scary as hell.
I'm licensed to fly paragliders and paramotors. It's honestly not that scary and like with most things your own preparation, reading of the weather conditions, and how you choose to fly dictate the risk.

To learn, you just go and attend a training course. I did mine in New Zealand over several months and had to log a certain number of flights, demonstrate certain skills, and pass some written tests per national regulations. In the US I don't believe there are any such requirements so it's up to you to find a good school.

Paragliders don't go very fast at all, like 15-30mph in still air, but they're compact and lightweight. I can basically fit a motorized aircraft (paramotor) in the backseat of a Toyota Yaris. And people hike with ultralight paragliders all the time - hike up, fly down.
 
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I'm licensed to fly paragliders and paramotors. It's honestly not that scary and like with most things your own preparation, reading of the weather conditions, and how you choose to fly dictate the risk.

To learn, you just go and attend a training course. I did mine in New Zealand over several months and had to log a certain number of flights, demonstrate certain skills, and pass some written tests per national regulations. In the US I don't believe there are any such requirements so it's up to you to find a good school.

Paragliders don't go very fast at all, like 15-30mph in still air, but they're compact and lightweight. I can basically fit a motorized aircraft (paramotor) in the backseat of a Toyota Yaris. And people hike with ultralight paragliders all the time - hike up, fly down.
I assume there is some way to learn and practice controlling the paragliders without actually being in the air? Do you start with using it like a kite while you are still on the ground?

I've flown many two-lined stun kits and a few four-lined ones and always thought a kite buggy would be a blast. If I had the money I wouldn't mind learning to fly a traditional ultralight, but I'd need wheels under me as my own wheels are getting a bit old.
 

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I assume there is some way to learn and practice controlling the paragliders without actually being in the air? Do you start with using it like a kite while you are still on the ground.

I've flown many two-lined stun kits and a few four-lined ones and always though a kite buggy would be a blast.
Yes, absolutely. In fact, we call it "kiting" or "ground handling." It's one of the first things you practice, one of the most difficult things for beginners to nail down, and it's part of the normal launching process, which is having the wing laid out on the ground, launching it up overhead but with your feet on the ground, doing some ground handling to make sure it's stable overhead, and then doing a short run to lift off.

You're basically controlling the wing overhead while your feet are on the ground, walking with it overhead, making sure it doesn't get too far away in any direction. You have to realize that you can't fight the wing. If you aren't able to control it via the controls, it'll fly around and literally drag you along the ground, through bushes, etc. There's no amount of muscling you can do to overcome this, so good ground handling skills are important.

I've practiced ground handling on flat land where it would have been impossible to launch without a motor. It's a necessary skill for safely launching, and to a degree it also mimics what you would do to steer, land, and bring down the wing since once the wing is overhead the wing itself is literally already flying and you can walk around with it forwards, backwards, left, right, etc.
 

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Yes, absolutely. In fact, we call it "kiting" or "ground handling." It's one of the first things you practice, one of the most difficult things for beginners to nail down, and it's part of the normal launching process, which is having the wing laid out on the ground, launching it up overhead but with your feet on the ground, doing some ground handling to make sure it's stable overhead, and then doing a short run to lift off.

You're basically controlling the wing overhead while your feet are on the ground, walking with it overhead, making sure it doesn't get too far away in any direction. You have to realize that you can't fight the wing. If you aren't able to control it via the controls, it'll fly around and literally drag you along the ground, through bushes, etc. There's no amount of muscling you can do to overcome this, so good ground handling skills are important.

I've practiced ground handling on flat land where it would have been impossible to launch without a motor. It's a necessary skill for safely launching, and to a degree it also mimics what you would do to steer, land, and bring down the wing since once the wing is overhead the wing itself is literally already flying and you can walk around with it forwards, backwards, left, right, etc.

I had a friend years ago I used to fly stunt kites with who had a couple of four line parafoils that were fun to fly because of all the extra control the four lines gave you. The two smallish dual line kites I own now can pull hard, but I've only been pulled across the ground when I flew three progressively smaller kites set up together inline.

It sounds like it would be a blast to learn paragliding.
 

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I had a friend years ago I used to fly stunt kites with who had a couple of four line parafoils that were fun to fly because of all the extra control the four lines gave you. The two smallish dual line kites I own now can pull hard, but I've only been pulled across the ground when I flew three progressively smaller kites set up together inline.

It sounds like it would be a blast to learn paragliding.
Yeah, your experience with those stunt kites should help you with ground handling. Normal paraglider wings have way, way more overall lines and 3-4 rows front to back of lines, but you're primarily controlling four sets of lines. Compared to your stunt kites, the wing will handle like a boat - there is a lag time between when you pull and when it does something and things probably happen slower, but with more force.

If you're located by the ocean you can take advantage of consistent ocean breezes to help you practice. Inland would be more difficult to ground handle I'd imagine - I've mostly done coastal flying and when I'm inland I use a motor in nil wind in a football field or something to launch so I don't ground handle much.
 

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That's awesome. Looks fun as hell. I don't know if I'd be brave enough to get that close to the ground though, might slightly misjudge and hit a little too hard or get my foot caught up or otherwise slow down my flight enough to crash. Obviously these guys are probably professionals though.
 

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I thought this was a belated negetive movie review.
I was pleasantly surprised. Thank you for the post.
 
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Is it at all risky considering a bird strike could take you down and out? I know it's rare, but it's also possible something as simple as that could end your life. Is there a backup chute?.
 

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Is it at all risky considering a bird strike could take you down and out? I know it's rare, but it's also possible something as simple as that could end your life. Is there a backup chute?.

Most do have a backup chute, not sure if it's actually required here in the US but most people still have a professionally packed backup. I sure as hell wouldn't do anything involving a parachute without one, it's the only insurance you've got if shit goes pear shaped.
 

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That has to feel awesome

Yeah, it's pretty cool. It's the cheapest and most lightweight way to fly. It also works very well as a photography platform because you're basically sitting upright in a bucket seat.

That's awesome. Looks fun as hell. I don't know if I'd be brave enough to get that close to the ground though, might slightly misjudge and hit a little too hard or get my foot caught up or otherwise slow down my flight enough to crash. Obviously these guys are probably professionals though.

You're not going very fast. If you misjudge and slide out you're only going to tumble a bit, and you're almost always flying low over soft stuff like grass, sand, or snow. Wiping out on a mountain bike for example would be WAY more painful.

Is it at all risky considering a bird strike could take you down and out? I know it's rare, but it's also possible something as simple as that could end your life. Is there a backup chute?.

Bird strikes aren't a big deal unless a bird flies into one of your lines because it was unable to see them and somehow cuts the line, which is very unlikely because the lines are all made of Spectra or Kevlar. If you're flying with a motor and a dumb bird destroys your propeller you just glide down as if you're unpowered, and the key here is that you've already chosen to fly in such a way as to be within glide distance of a decent landing spot should your motor die.

What IS a big deal is if the wing collapses (loses its aerofoil shape) due to turbulence in the air, but this is mitigated by flying in the right weather conditions and flying in the right locations - the leeward side of a row of trees on a high wind day for example would be a very very bad idea because turbulence will be present behind the trees.

Very nice video but I fear that guy is likely not long for this world.

The only thing dangerous in this video were the 360 degree tumbles, but even those seem to have been done high above the ground which would have given them time to throw out and deploy their reserves if something bad were to happen. I've seen some stupid paragliding shit, and this video doesn't contain any.

Most do have a backup chute, not sure if it's actually required here in the US but most people still have a professionally packed backup. I sure as hell wouldn't do anything involving a parachute without one, it's the only insurance you've got if shit goes pear shaped.

The USA is extremely lax on regulations, the idea being that it's a solo sport so it's not worth the regulatory overhead if you're just going to fuck yourself up. The USA does regulate tandem operations though because you've got a passenger under your care. The USA is one of the few countries that doesn't have such regulations though, as most other countries requires licensing and training through a governing body, which IMO is a good idea because there's a LOT you have to know to fly safely.

But yeah, we almost always fly with a reserve that gets repacked every 1-2 years. In the event of an unrecoverable collapse you throw it out the side and it deploys within 500 feet, which means you need to be at least 500 feet above the ground. Most deaths result from people getting collapses when they are low to the ground and there is not enough altitude to deploy their reserve. People doing acrobatics like those 360 tumbles in the video sometimes carry two reserves, since with acrobatics sometimes the reserve can get tangled with the main wing on account that you're doing, you know, acrobatics.

The only time we don't use reserves too often is when we're soaring along the coast, because a sea breeze blowing inland from the ocean is always extremely laminar and smooth, with not a bump to be felt. And if you're flying above standing water you should have a flotation system installed as people have drowned when they get tangled in their lines. And avoid moving water like rivers at all costs. Those will just kill you.
 
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ponyo

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Wow! Very cool, fuzzy. Thanks for sharing those beautiful pics. Must have been some experience.
 

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Thanks so much @Kaido . That was a very well edited video you linked, and something definitely on my bucket list (minus the skill points of undressing a lady sun-bathing, of course, and of semi-running along a construction crane's boom). Thoroughly enjoyed it!
 

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Second best video I've seen this year, although it's from 2016. Still very, very cool. Proof that we are living in the future!

 

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Cool! Dude in the yellow knew what he was doing. Guy in the Orange was fighting it the whole time and showed how difficult it is.
 
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