Great article on the "war on men".

[KDOG]

At least I thought so... More interesting that its written by a woman.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/07/12/men-new-second-class-citizens/?intcmp=features


Yes it's a foxnews article, but so what? Lets try talking about the actual content of the article? Shocking concept I know.

 

[IronWing]

Okay, we'll discuss the content. The content is silly.

 

[Mixolydian]

I just skimmed the article, but the attitude towards men is definitely changing.

 

[waggy]

Okay, we'll discuss the content. The content is silly.

how so? is she wrong?

I just skimmed the article, but the attitude towards men is definitely changing.

kinda. in TV it has always been dads are bumbling idiots. they are usually also fat. But have smoking hot wives. Who btw can do anything!

in divorce it is comeing around. BUT women are still given to much just because they are women.

same with abuse.

 

[IronWing]

how so? is she wrong?

Yes.

 

[Jaskalas]

So they touch on:

• Big pharma drugging children over ADD.
• Unwanton elimination of sports.
• Burden of proof being eliminated.
• Negative public portrayal.

Burden of proof is really striking, as it can / still does apply to all of us. This country is geared towards being guilty... of being accused.

 

[waggy]

Yes.

how so?

So they touch on:

• Big pharma drugging children over ADD.
• Unwanton elimination of sports.
• Burden of proof being eliminated.
• Negative public portrayal.

Burden of proof is really striking, as it can / still does apply to all of us. This country is geared towards being guilty... of being accused.

she hits on some positive points though.

schools now cater to girls more then to boys. perhaps to the detriment to boys. there have been many articles on this.

She is right with the regards of title IX. the idea of it was good the problem with how it is executed though is huge. I am all for having womens sports. The issue is that when you take away mens sports because not as many women want to compete.

 

[grohl]

The article is so short, it comes across with the typical "journalism" these days: make a shocking boast to draw clicks on a news story, inside find a poorly worded and referenced article.

 

[mmntech]

Okay, we'll discuss the content. The content is silly.

There is a point to it however. Men's rights groups have been arguing this for some time. The social support structure in the western world, especially former British colonies, is heavily weighted towards females.

Here's a few arguments that have been put forth.
-The school system is structured towards female learning. Boys learn differently. Part of this is attributed to a lack of male teachers. Zero tolerance has also curtailed boys' rough play which limits expressing aggressive tendencies through positive outlets.
-The university system favours female applicants and there is now a disproportionate number of women to men in higher education.
-Divorce law heavily favours women. A leftover from an era where women didn't work, yet feminists see no reason to change it since they benefit most from it.
-Rise of single motherhood has hurt young boys as they have no positive familial male role model in their lives. Boys need a strong father to teach them how to be a man.
-In sexual assault trials, there is a presumption of guilt. The number of false accusations are low (about 2-5% IIRC). However, it can be devastating for those men that are falsely accused. Especially due to political pressure to ensure a conviction.
-Women are strongly favoured in child custody battles. There have been a few cases where children have been awarded to negligent mothers, and fathers are forced to spend years in court dealing with it.
-Men have little say in abortion law. I myself wonder what would happen if the father wanted to keep the child and raise it on his own.

 

[techs]

The war on men actually begins in grade school, where boys are at a distinct disadvantage. Not only are curriculums centered on girls’, rather than boys,’ interests, the emphasis in these grades is on sitting still at a desk.

Plus, many schools have eliminated recess. Such an environment is unhealthy for boys, for they are active by nature and need to run around. And when they can’t sit still teachers and administrators often wrongly attribute their restlessness to ADD or ADHD. The message is clear: boys are just unruly girls.

Holy fuck but that's a load of crap. The curriculum is centered on girls? No evidence to back that up.

Boys by their "nature" need recess more than girls because they need to run around? No evidence to back that up.

This article is one of the biggest pieces of bull shit I have seen in a long time. The OP should be embarrassed that he posted it.

 

[MrPickins]

The war on men actually begins in grade school, where boys are at a distinct disadvantage. Not only are curriculums centered on girls’, rather than boys,’ interests, the emphasis in these grades is on sitting still at a desk.

Plus, many schools have eliminated recess. Such an environment is unhealthy for boys, for they are active by nature and need to run around. And when they can’t sit still teachers and administrators often wrongly attribute their restlessness to ADD or ADHD. The message is clear: boys are just unruly girls

.

Holy fuck but that's a load of crap. The curriculum is centered on girls? No evidence to back that up.

Boys by their "nature" need recess more than girls because they need to run around? No evidence to back that up.

This article is one of the biggest pieces of bull shit I have seen in a long time. The OP should be embarrassed that he posted it.

This was almost my exact thought.

Girls don't need to run around, but boys do? WTF?

 

[Paratus]

The war on men actually begins in grade school, where boys are at a distinct disadvantage. Not only are curriculums centered on girls’, rather than boys,’ interests, the emphasis in these grades is on sitting still at a desk.

Plus, many schools have eliminated recess. Such an environment is unhealthy for boys, for they are active by nature and need to run around. And when they can’t sit still teachers and administrators often wrongly attribute their restlessness to ADD or ADHD. The message is clear: boys are just unruly girls.

Holy fuck but that's a load of crap. The curriculum is centered on girls? No evidence to back that up.

Boys by their "nature" need recess more than girls because they need to run around? No evidence to back that up.

This article is one of the biggest pieces of bull shit I have seen in a long time. The OP should be embarrassed that he posted it.

OP needs his man card revoked.

 

[glenn1]

Okay, we'll discuss the content. The content is silly.

This. Some of the author's points are ridiculous. For example, portraying men as idiots in comedic roles makes sense, because it's exaggerating for effect. You'd never portray a feminist in a similar role, first of all because feminists aren't funny, and many already perceive them as idiots anyway.

Most of the other things mentioned in both the article and other posts in this thread don't represent a "war on men" either, but rather an admission of weakness on the part of feminist women. If they really thought they were equal, they would't ask for special treatment.

 

[bradly1101]

Why is it that to Fox News everything is a "war" on something?

The war on christmas.
The war on easter.
The war on guns.
The war on religion.

Why is Fox News declaring a war on our intellects? Stop trying to only appeal to my emotions! I can think too.

It's like Fox News is treating all of us like men used to treat women.

 

[Scotteq]

Why is it that to Fox News everything is a "war" on something?

The war on christmas.
The war on easter.
The war on guns.
The war on religion.

Why is Fox News declaring a war on our intellects? Stop trying to only appeal to my emotions! I can think too.

It's like Fox News is treating all of us like men used to treat women.

NEXT: "War On Stupid" - In a hard hitting expose' on the real life social penalties associated with morons traveling in large, seemingly unstoppable swarms - Sean Hannity, Gretchen Carlson, and Bill O'Reilly interview....


...each other.:hmm:

 

[Patranus]

The complaint that there are no "good men to marry" is laughable.

I usually hear that from girls (note that I specifically chose not to use the term woman because they aren't woman) who decided to slut it up during their 20s with "bad boys" (again boys is the correct term to describe them) and are now ready to settle down. They expect men to jump all over them.

Thats not how life work. Men shouldn't reward girls for this behavior.

So in reality its not that these men don't exist rather these men don't seek out these girls who feel entitled to a quality man. These girls have been taught (millennial generation) there is no consequence for their actions be it the choice to slut it up or otherwise but the reality is there *are* consequences for every action and the girls of the millennial generation are suffering the consequences.

 

[Broheim]

This was almost my exact thought.

Girls don't need to run around, but boys do? WTF?

I think it's pretty much a fact that boys are "more physically active" than girls, I'm not saying that girls don't need exercise but just that boys need more physical playtime and are much "rowdier". It's all just basic biology, we're still hunter-gatherers from an evolutionary viewpoint and boys are biologically geared towards playing and fighting a lot in order to develop hunting and fighting skills for adulthood.

is there a "war on men"? No I don't think there is a deliberate war on men, But society as a whole has become much more "effeminate" where traits that are generally found more in women are tolerated whereas male traits are frowned upon. Physical altercations for instance are illegal but psychological abuse, manipulation and drama queening all day long is totally fine.

 

[BudAshes]

I think we can all agree this lady needs to shut up and get back in the kitchen.

 

[bradly1101]

The complaint that there are no "good men to marry" is laughable.

I usually hear that from girls (note that I specifically chose not to use the term woman because they aren't woman) who decided to slut it up during their 20s with "bad boys" (again boys is the correct term to describe them) and are now ready to settle down. They expect men to jump all over them.

Thats not how life work. Men shouldn't reward girls for this behavior.

So in reality its not that these men don't exist rather these men don't seek out these girls who feel entitled to a quality man. These girls have been taught (millennial generation) there is no consequence for their actions be it the choice to slut it up or otherwise but the reality is there *are* consequences for every action and the girls of the millennial generation are suffering the consequences.

When I dropped my expectations I found someone who surpassed them all.

Expectations can grind possibilities to a halt.

 

[Howard]

When I dropped my expectations I found someone who surpassed them all.

paging captain obvious

 

[nehalem256]

The complaint that there are no "good men to marry" is laughable.

I usually hear that from girls (note that I specifically chose not to use the term woman because they aren't woman) who decided to slut it up during their 20s with "bad boys" (again boys is the correct term to describe them) and are now ready to settle down. They expect men to jump all over them.

Thats not how life work. Men shouldn't reward girls for this behavior.

So in reality its not that these men don't exist rather these men don't seek out these girls who feel entitled to a quality man. These girls have been taught (millennial generation) there is no consequence for their actions be it the choice to slut it up or otherwise but the reality is there *are* consequences for every action and the girls of the millennial generation are suffering the consequences.

Yep. If I take a 15 year old car with a rough idle, chipped paint, and rust and try selling it for original MSRP I can't claim there are no buyers for my car.

 

[Doppel]

The article has some truth. If you look at an ad from the 50's the only good woman is one at home keeping her mouth shut and doing laundry. That wouldn't fly now. Commercials do not generally show women in a negative light, but they do for men all the time. Some are funny, some are just stupid.

I think for a multitude of reasons the transition from teenager to adult is harder for boys now than girls. The former are more likely to go off the rails and turn into to useless shits. We're probably in the 2nd or 3rd generation at the most in which the gap between women/men has been mostly closed. Women are well educated, working in good fields, CEOs of companies, most of the country would be ok with one as president, etc.

They are still behind job wise and money wise but I believe the massive majority of that is choice to stay home and put career behind family. That is something that can't--and shouldn't--be legislated.

Mostly the shrunken gap is things getting better for women than worse for men, though.

 

[Doppel]

I think it's pretty much a fact that boys are "more physically active" than girls, I'm not saying that girls don't need exercise but just that boys need more physical playtime and are much "rowdier". It's all just basic biology, we're still hunter-gatherers from an evolutionary viewpoint and boys are biologically geared towards playing and fighting a lot in order to develop hunting and fighting skills for adulthood.

Of course. People pretending that ON AVERAGE boys are more more active/aggressive/rowdy than girls has never been around kids.

 

[grrl]

More interesting that its written by a woman.

No it's not.