"great" earthquake in Indonesia - magnitude 8.9!

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athithi

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Looks like it is already past 50k and will soon cross 60k. Madras/Chennai, India is my hometown. Marina beach is simply huge and stretches for miles. Back in the 80s my mother was in the shrimp/fish/shark fin export business and we knew quite a few fisherman from the fishing villages next to Marina Beach. I hope they are doing fine. The tsunami hit around 8:40 AM, I believe. Had it struck between 6:00 PM - 8:00 PM, there would've easily been upwards of 60k deaths right there on the Marina beach. That's how crowded it gets - Madras is a very humid city and the beach is like free air-conditioning for the masses. Manoj Night Shyamalan's hometown of Pondicherry was also one of the worst affected.,,,
 
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Get this crap. The U.N. is saying the US is "stingy" on the amount that we are giving to the affected countries. So far we are sending $35 million along with 12 c-130 and 9 other cargo planes full of food/medicine/supplies.
They are saying that we are only sending .1% of our GNP.

I'm not trying to take away from this epic tragedy, I really fell for the people affected by this, but damn, some people will complain about anything.
 

lsman

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from MSN

As the death toll from the epic tsunamis that slammed 11 countries soared beyond 52,000 people on Tuesday, a top World Health Organization health expert warned that diseases could double the natural disaster?s death count before the situation can be stabilized.

Indonesian teams found that 10,000 people had been killed in a single town, Meulaboh, in Aceh province at the northern tip of Sumatra island, said Purnomo Sidik, national disaster director at the Social Affairs Ministry.

Meantime, U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell said Tuesday the United States ?will do more? to help the victims and said in an interview on NBC's ?Today? show that ?clearly, the United States will be a major contributor to this international effort. And, yes, it will run into the billions of dollars.?

He also said he regretted a statement by Egeland, the U.N. official overseeing the relief effort, suggesting America was being "stingy".
 

lsman

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In Galle, Sri Lanka, officials used a loudspeaker fitted atop a fire engine to tell residents to place bodies on the road for collection.

Sri Lankan police waived the law calling for mandatory autopsies, allowing rotting corpses to be buried immediately. ?We accept that the deaths were caused by drowning,? police spokesman Rienzie Perera said.

In Thailand?s once-thriving resorts, volunteers dragged scores of corpses ? including at least 700 foreign tourists ? from beaches and the remains of top-class hotels.

A large proportion of southern Asia?s dead were children ? as many as half the victims in Sri Lanka, according to officials there.
 

rh71

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Originally posted by: lsman
from MSN

As the death toll from the epic tsunamis that slammed 11 countries soared beyond 52,000 people on Tuesday, a top World Health Organization health expert warned that diseases could double the natural disaster?s death count before the situation can be stabilized.
diseases... just when you thought you had escaped the drowing and it was only a matter of time before you get out...
 

rickn

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not just diseases from rotting people, imagine all the livestock that has been killed. What a mess that area must be.
 

BudAshes

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Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
How long until Michael Moore and the French find a way to blame this on the U.S.?


Does anyone else want to punch this idiot in the face?
 

dabuddha

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Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Get this crap. The U.N. is saying the US is "stingy" on the amount that we are giving to the affected countries. So far we are sending $35 million along with 12 c-130 and 9 other cargo planes full of food/medicine/supplies.
They are saying that we are only sending .1% of our GNP.

I'm not trying to take away from this epic tragedy, I really fell for the people affected by this, but damn, some people will complain about anything.

Agreed. Someone needs to smack Egeland across the face for his moronic remarks.
 

Chadder007

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Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Get this crap. The U.N. is saying the US is "stingy" on the amount that we are giving to the affected countries. So far we are sending $35 million along with 12 c-130 and 9 other cargo planes full of food/medicine/supplies.
They are saying that we are only sending .1% of our GNP.

I'm not trying to take away from this epic tragedy, I really fell for the people affected by this, but damn, some people will complain about anything.

@#*$@# The UN needs to just go away.
Also the European Union only gave 4 million.....yet someone in Europe complains about what we are giving them which happens to be MORE? WTF?
 

Chadder007

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Originally posted by: Xafgoat
Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
How long until Michael Moore and the French find a way to blame this on the U.S.?


Does anyone else want to punch this idiot in the face?

IBTheUSshouldhavetriedwarningAsiasooner.
 

edmundoab

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yeah.. all the time Hawaii has been under serious watch of any kind of natural disaster.
But now its Indonesia..

Malaysia got slightly affected with 55 deaths.

But what I pity is Sri Lanka.. so many casualties..
 

psteng19

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Originally posted by: freedomsbeat212
If there was any part of me that believed that there was possibly a God out there.. Well... I can't believe it anymore...

Why? Are you just regurgitating a cliche?
If anything, this should make you realize just how small and insignificant we are in the grand scale of things.
 

XtremepH

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this is very sad and ironically i had just watched the movie The Day After Tommorrow the night before this all happened.
 

Doggiedog

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I was just watching some commercial on the History channel and the company was bragging about how they are open 24/7. The actor then started saying hurricane, earthquake, tsunami, etc. Kind of ironic too.
 

Fandu

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This ARRL story gives some details of the ongoing relief efforts.

Asian Radio Amateurs Bridging Communication Gap following Tsunami

NEWINGTON, CT, Dec 28, 2004--Amateur Radio organizations and individual amateurs in several of the countries affected by the December 26 earthquake and consequent tsunamis in South Asia have begun emergency communication activities. The death toll from the disaster has been estimated at more than 50,000 lives, and health authorities now worry that thousands more may die from disease, due in part to a lack of potable water. Relief organizations and governments around the world have rallied to assist the victims, many of whom are homeless. DXer Charly Harpole, K4VUD/VU3CHE, was visiting the National Institute of Amateur Radio (NIAR) VU4RBI/VU4NRO DXpedition in Port Blair on Andaman Island when the earthquake struck. He said the team suspended DXpedition operation and shifted quickly to emergency mode.

"By that afternoon, the team had set up one rig outside with a mobile whip and tuner, powered by the hotel generator, and Bharathi [Prasad, VU2RBI--the DXpedition team leader] was taking health-and-welfare messages from the people standing around there," Harpole reported to ARRL. He is scheduled to relate his earthquake experience on US national television during an appearance on NBC's Today show Wednesday, December 29.

"Many wanted to tell relatives on the Indian mainland that they were OK," Harpole continued, "and Bharathi established contact with many India ham stations in various cities as needed." He said Bharathi was able to relay a message to his wife via a contact with a station in Thailand that he was all right.

Harpole, who returned to Thailand December 27 as scheduled, speculates the team may resume DXpedition operation since Port Blair escaped the worst damage, and the aftershocks have apparently ceased. Sandeep Baruah, VU2MUE, reports that VU4NRO is active on 20 meters, and two additional hams from the Indian mainland--VU2DVO and VU2JOS--have arrived in Port Blair to assist.

Calcutta VHF Amateur Radio Society Assistant Secretary Horey Majumdar, VU2HFR, relayed information from VU4RBI today that the situation in the Andamans has improved considerably with power and some telephone service being restored, although some aftershocks were occurring from time to time. He also says that VU4RBI and VU4NRO were having a lot of trouble copying signals from the Indian mainland, in part due to RF interference from local sources.

C. K. "Ram" Raman, VU3DJQ, in New Delhi reports that one member of the VU4RBI/VU4NRO DXpedition team, S. Ram Mohan, VU2MYH/VU4MYH, has established a station on Car Nicobar Island, one of the worst hit areas that had been totally cut off. Traffic has been noted on 14.190, 14.195 and 14.200 MHz. Raman has been operating at low power to avoid interfering with a nearby army communication site.

Majumdar says the VU4MYH station marks the very first Amateur Radio operation from Nicobar Island. "Mohan's signals were extremely weak, and he was in the skip zone of the Andaman stations on 20 meters," he said. "Improvisation was the name of the game. Hams had to switch to good old CW and switch frequencies from 14.190 and 14.160 MHz to 7.090 MHz." He said in the afternoon, signals were best on 15 meters (21.240 MHz) between the Andaman and Nicobar Islands stations.

"The Amateur Radio station from Nicobar is perhaps playing the most vital part in what is turning out to be the world's largest disaster operation," Majumdar said. "Hams from Sri Lanka, Thailand, Indonesia, Malaysia, Hong Kong, Singapore, Australia and even Israel are checking into the VU emergency nets and extending their fullest cooperation in the truest spirit of Amateur Radio."

Elsewhere, he reports, upward of three dozen stations on the Indian mainland are participating in an emergency net on 7.050 MHz. He said hams from South India have established stations in Tamil Nadu, the hardest hit area on the mainland where thousands died in fishing villages. Hams were handling both health-and-welfare and emergency and medical communications, he told ARRL.

Fragmented information continues to arrive from other areas affected by the earthquake and tsunami. At this point, there have been no specific requests for communication assistance from outside the region.

Musa Suraatmadja, YB0MOS, the secretary-general of the Indonesia Amateur Radio Organization (ORARI) responded gratefully to an International Amateur Radio Union (IARU) request to assist. "So far we can still manage," he said. "Our ORARI members are amongst the first to go to the stricken areas doing emergency communication, rescue operations and other things." The 9.0 magnitude earthquake occurred off the Indonesian island of Sumatra.

Tony Waltham, HS0ZDX, vice president of the Radio Amateur Society of Thailand (RAST) called the earthquake and tsunamis "truly a disaster of catastrophic proportions which has never before been experienced by Thailand--or by our neighbouring countries that share an Indian Ocean or Andaman Sea coastline." He said communication needs in Thailand are being met.

"The situation is now under control, with Thai hams helping to relay information between the affected areas along the west coast in the south to government agencies--mostly on VHF and 40 meters as well as by disseminating news and information over VHF frequencies in Bangkok." He said EchoLink also has been playing a role in enabling hams in Thailand to relay information to friends and relatives of those who had been on vacation in the stricken areas.

Waltham says what is needed most is help for the thousands of injured and homeless, and RAST now is accepting donations for that purpose to pass on to the Thai government. He said the best method to donate is by wire transfer.

Contributions are being accepted at Siam City Bank, Ratchawat Branch No 111, Account type: Saving; Account number: 111-2-22688-4; Account name: RAST (Radio Amateur Society of Thailand under the Royal patronage of His Majesty the King).

He requests that donors send details of their support to RAST via e-mail dx@thai.com "for our records and so that we can acknowledge this and give full credit."

The ARRL and IARU have been sharing information with other agencies and organization.

Salvation Army Team Emergency Network (SATERN) National Director Pat McPherson, WW9E, reports Salvation Army personnel continue to offer emergency disaster services aid in southeastern Asia and costal India. "Salvation Army personnel are based in many of the devastated areas and have been on the forefront of offering aid and relief to the people struggling after this unexpected tragedy," he said. "Salvation Army volunteers fed more than 1200 people in the Kanyakumari and Muttom areas in India and many Salvation Army facilities are being used as feeding sites and emergency shelters in affected communities."

Salvation Army Emergency Disaster Services teams are also assisting government and other agencies in assessing needs and trying to find ways to meet them. The Salvation Army's International Emergency Disasters Services Office located in London is coordinating the relief operation.

Third Party Traffic Question

Since none of the countries affected by the earthquake and tsunami have third-party traffic agreements with the US, the question has been raised about the legality of such traffic--especially health-and-welfare messages--between those countries and US amateur stations. A staff member in the FCC's Wireless Telecommunications Bureau points out that the international Radio Regulations as revised at World Radiocommunication Conference 2003 (WRC-03) provide that amateur stations may be used for transmitting international communications of behalf of third parties only in case of emergencies or disaster relief.

"An administration may determine the applicability of this provision to amateur stations under its jurisdiction," the FCC staff member told ARRL. Although the FCC has not formally adopted the changes approved at WRC-03, he continued, "the FCC has no objection to US stations passing disaster-related traffic to and from stations in the affected areas if the administrations responsible for the Amateur Service in those countries do not object to their amateur stations receiving messages from our amateur stations on behalf of third parties."
 

Locut0s

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There's some footage on CNN I just saw that is really horrible. It shows a reporter reporting from the scene of a mass grave where they are bearing up to a thousand bodies. In the footage you see bodies pilled on top of each other and a bulldozer pushing the piles around. Has anyone else seen this?

Also in an interview with the head of an NGO, perhaps it was Oxfam, said that he believes that once they get into the more remote regions and the numbers start to settle out that the number of deaths could easily reach over 100,000. That's not counting the number who are in danger of dieing of disease.
 

z0mb13

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oops I take my words back

the US is actually donating money upwards of billions of dollars

 

Snapster

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Originally posted by: Chadder007
Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Get this crap. The U.N. is saying the US is "stingy" on the amount that we are giving to the affected countries. So far we are sending $35 million along with 12 c-130 and 9 other cargo planes full of food/medicine/supplies.
They are saying that we are only sending .1% of our GNP.

I'm not trying to take away from this epic tragedy, I really fell for the people affected by this, but damn, some people will complain about anything.

@#*$@# The UN needs to just go away.
Also the European Union only gave 4 million.....yet someone in Europe complains about what we are giving them which happens to be MORE? WTF?

Go figure with the UN/EU, hell the UK donated £15m outside of the EU's budget towards the cause.
 

zugzoog

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Originally posted by: rickn
not just diseases from rotting people, imagine all the livestock that has been killed. What a mess that area must be.



Strange thing is, there are very few animal deaths..... Linky

..they knew something that we didn't.
 

z0mb13

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Originally posted by: Snapster
Originally posted by: Chadder007
Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Get this crap. The U.N. is saying the US is "stingy" on the amount that we are giving to the affected countries. So far we are sending $35 million along with 12 c-130 and 9 other cargo planes full of food/medicine/supplies.
They are saying that we are only sending .1% of our GNP.

I'm not trying to take away from this epic tragedy, I really fell for the people affected by this, but damn, some people will complain about anything.

@#*$@# The UN needs to just go away.
Also the European Union only gave 4 million.....yet someone in Europe complains about what we are giving them which happens to be MORE? WTF?

Go figure with the UN/EU, hell the UK donated £15m outside of the EU's budget towards the cause.

the EU donated, but countries within the EU also donated!!

you dont see CA donating millions to the tsunami victims

and to think we spent BILLIONS in months alone in iraq!!

 

z0mb13

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holy sh!t I am watching an exclusive video of the tsunami in aceh... man its chilling...

the water is HUGE!
 

zugzoog

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Originally posted by: Snapster
Originally posted by: Chadder007
Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Get this crap. The U.N. is saying the US is "stingy" on the amount that we are giving to the affected countries. So far we are sending $35 million along with 12 c-130 and 9 other cargo planes full of food/medicine/supplies.
They are saying that we are only sending .1% of our GNP.

I'm not trying to take away from this epic tragedy, I really fell for the people affected by this, but damn, some people will complain about anything.

@#*$@# The UN needs to just go away.
Also the European Union only gave 4 million.....yet someone in Europe complains about what we are giving them which happens to be MORE? WTF?

Go figure with the UN/EU, hell the UK donated £15m outside of the EU's budget towards the cause.



I am not going to criticise the US, Australia's, or the EU's contributions until the major Islamic countries also cough up some dough. Considering that Indonesia is the most populous Muslim country on Earth and that there are Muslim populations on the Malay Penisula and in Sri Lanka AND that Muslim countries have DUTY to assist other Muslim countries, the response from the major Muslim countries has been deplorable.

As far as I know Kuwait has pledged US$1 million and Pakistan is sending tents and medical supplies. Turkey is sending Earthquake experts. Apart from that Saudi Arabia, Iran, Egypt have only offered condolences.

That is my little rant. If anyone has any updated information that corrects me, please reply to the topic, I would love to be proven wrong.
 
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