Great example of government waste

[Thorny]

Our county recently decided to jump into the 1980's and adopt a 911 style addressing system for rural residents. This was initially a great idea becuase the old Rural Route system wasn't implemented properly and was a confusing mess. My business makes quite a few rural deliveries every day and I can attest to the benefits of the change. The county I live in has a low population, so change was slow in coming and I doubt their are many people besides myself that welcomed it.

Today I got a letter in the mail informing me of my new address, greatly confusing me since I live in a developed sub-division with proper street names. Adding to the confusion is the fact that they are replacing my house number and street name with ANOTHER number and street name, NOT a 911 style address. WTF is the point of that? The new address is no more precise than the old! They are forcing everyone outside of city limits to change thier permanant address even though it was only the RR customers that needed updated.

I know it's not a life changing event or even that big of a deal, but it seems completely unecessary. We have waste time notifying our banks, utility providers, CCs ect. There are several of us out here, including myself, that have address plaques built into our brick that are going to be costly to change. If the USPS uses it's standard forwarding service, our incoming mail will be delayed by 1-2 days for the next year since forwarded mail goes through another facility 60 miles away.

/rant

Examples of address differences

Current Address
42 Leisure Acres
Smalltown IL 90210

Proposed New Adress
1144 Country Club Rd
Smalltown IL 90210

Rural Route Address
RR 1 Box 222F
Smalltown IL 90210

911 Style Address
955 E County Rd 1550 S
Smalltown IL 90210

 

[MotF Bane]

What the fuck?

 

[IronWing]

Renaming the streets seems odd but changing the house numbers probably aligns the numbers with some standard used in town. I live in an exurb with its own street numbering so my current house number is three digits and the street direction is "west...". I know standardization will eventually come at which time my street address will flip to a five digit number plus "east..." as we are far east of the east/west address dividing line.

Edit: I'm not looking forward to it but it does make finding a residence easier. I know that 7xxx E Road is always near N-S Big Ave and 13000 W Road is always near N-S Little Dirt Rd.

 

[GeekDrew]

There's a tremendous amount of work that goes into street addressing. Some jurisdictions get it right, and some don't. Regardless of whether or not the jurisdiction gets it done correctly, the public will never understand, and won't like address changes. Nothing new. *yawn*

/me loves GIS fights

 

[ebaycj]

Solution to your problem:

Move North-North-East about 200 miles.
Or
Move South-West about 100 miles.
Or
Move East about 150 miles.

 

[Red Squirrel]

lol they did that in our town a few years ago. I don't get how they even managed to have duplicate street names to begin with. An example of something that should have simply been done properly from the start.

 

[Thorny]

Originally posted by: ebaycj
Solution to your problem:

Move North-North-East about 200 miles.
Or
Move South-West about 100 miles.
Or
Move East about 150 miles.

I am as close as I care to be to any of those places. I couldn't handle living around that quantity of people. The people there are probably all happy for me to stay here as well.

 

[newnameman]

What is a "911 style address"?

 

[Thorny]

Originally posted by: newnameman
What is a "911 style address"?

The examples are in the OP

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Thorny

Originally posted by: newnameman
What is a "911 style address"?

The examples are in the OP

That doesn't answer the question...

 

[newnameman]

Originally posted by: Thorny

Originally posted by: newnameman
What is a "911 style address"?

The examples are in the OP

Yes, but that doesn't explain why one of those examples is "911 style" while the rest aren't.

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: newnameman
What is a "911 style address"?

My town did this about 10 years ago.
In my case they had to just re number the buildings on my block so odd numbers were on one side, and even on the other.

Interestingly when I went for a loan I was initially denied because I said I had been at my location a certain number of years and they said I had moved. Only my house number had changed.

I guess that's a perfect example of how businesses can't do anything right.

 

[tasmanian]

So let me get this straight, terrorists are renaming your address?

 

[keird]

Originally posted by: newnameman
What is a "911 style address"?

You scream the color of the tarp on your roof to the people at 9-1-1.

 

[Thorny]

Originally posted by: newnameman

Originally posted by: Thorny

Originally posted by: newnameman
What is a "911 style address"?

The examples are in the OP

Yes, but that doesn't explain why one of those examples is "911 style" while the rest aren't.

A 911 style address allows emergency dispatch to quickly and precisely locate someones physical location without having to know every street name in thier jurisdiction. Instead of street names, numbers are assigned to roads that identify thier distance from geographic center on the county map perpendicular to the direction the road runs. Then, houses on that road are given a number that relates the distance perpendicular to the roads. Essentially, your address is a coordinate on the map that is very easy to find without actually looking at a map.

To locate 955 E County Rd 1550 S all you need to do is .955 miles east and 1.55 miles south of the center of the county.

 

[Thorny]

Originally posted by: keird

Originally posted by: newnameman
What is a "911 style address"?

You scream the color of the tarp on your roof to the people at 9-1-1.

No, that s the way that's being replaced :laugh:

 

[lupi]

Originally posted by: Thorny

Originally posted by: newnameman

Originally posted by: Thorny

Originally posted by: newnameman
What is a "911 style address"?

The examples are in the OP

Yes, but that doesn't explain why one of those examples is "911 style" while the rest aren't.

A 911 style address allows emergency dispatch to quickly and precisely locate someones physical location without having to know every street name in thier jurisdiction. Instead of street names, numbers are assigned to roads that identify thier distance from geographic center on the county map perpendicular to the direction the road runs. Then, houses on that road are given a number that relates the distance perpendicular to the roads. Essentially, your address is a coordinate on the map that is very easy to find without actually looking at a map.

To locate 955 E County Rd 1550 S all you need to do is .955 miles east and 1.55 miles south of the center of the county.

wow that is so fucking retarded.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Thorny

Originally posted by: newnameman

Originally posted by: Thorny

Originally posted by: newnameman
What is a "911 style address"?

The examples are in the OP

Yes, but that doesn't explain why one of those examples is "911 style" while the rest aren't.

A 911 style address allows emergency dispatch to quickly and precisely locate someones physical location without having to know every street name in thier jurisdiction. Instead of street names, numbers are assigned to roads that identify thier distance from geographic center on the county map perpendicular to the direction the road runs. Then, houses on that road are given a number that relates the distance perpendicular to the roads. Essentially, your address is a coordinate on the map that is very easy to find without actually looking at a map.

To locate 955 E County Rd 1550 S all you need to do is .955 miles east and 1.55 miles south of the center of the county.

Thank you for explaining that. We don't have addresses like that in NJ. When I lived in Indiana the roads were numbered like that - I think it's a midwest thing. Everything is square out there, I guess because of the way the parceled out the farm land when the states were first populated. Everyone's address was based on the street that they actually lived on though, so if you lived on Country Club Drive which was off CR 800S, your address would be ## Country Club Dr. Is it possible that your street is a private road, and that's why your "official" address doesn't match your actual street name?

I'm confused about the difference between the "proposed new address" and the 911-style address. Are you saying you'll have two entirely different addresses simultaneously?

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Thorny

Originally posted by: newnameman

Originally posted by: Thorny

Originally posted by: newnameman
What is a "911 style address"?

The examples are in the OP

Yes, but that doesn't explain why one of those examples is "911 style" while the rest aren't.

A 911 style address allows emergency dispatch to quickly and precisely locate someones physical location without having to know every street name in thier jurisdiction. Instead of street names, numbers are assigned to roads that identify thier distance from geographic center on the county map perpendicular to the direction the road runs. Then, houses on that road are given a number that relates the distance perpendicular to the roads. Essentially, your address is a coordinate on the map that is very easy to find without actually looking at a map.

To locate 955 E County Rd 1550 S all you need to do is .955 miles east and 1.55 miles south of the center of the county.

Thank you for explaining that. We don't have addresses like that in NJ. When I lived in Indiana the roads were numbered like that - I think it's a midwest thing. Everything is square out there, I guess because of the way the parceled out the farm land when the states were first populated. Everyone's address was based on the street that they actually lived on though, so if you lived on Country Club Drive which was off CR 800S, your address would be ## Country Club Dr. Is it possible that your street is a private road, and that's why your "official" address doesn't match your actual street name?

I'm confused about the difference between the "proposed new address" and the 911-style address. Are you saying you'll have two entirely different addresses simultaneously?

I think what he is saying is he doesn't know what is going on, but he blames the government.

 

[Thorny]

Originally posted by: mugs

Thank you for explaining that. We don't have addresses like that in NJ. When I lived in Indiana the roads were numbered like that - I think it's a midwest thing. Everything is square out there, I guess because of the way the parceled out the farm land when the states were first populated. Everyone's address was based on the street that they actually lived on though, so if you lived on Country Club Drive which was off CR 800S, your address would be ## Country Club Dr. Is it possible that your street is a private road, and that's why your "official" address doesn't match your actual street name?

I'm confused about the difference between the "proposed new address" and the 911-style address. Are you saying you'll have two entirely different addresses simultaneously?

We will only have one address. The 911 style address I gave is just an example of the style that was assigned to anyone with a RR Box.

My gripe is that they are changing our address for one that is no more precise than the old one. The Rural Route system here was over capacity and really needed reworked, but they did not have to change the address of anyone that was not on that system. The Rural Route was set up by the USPS for delivering mail and does not adequatly allow for expansion, it is set up as a big loop with the box numbers just being the position on the loop, so it is pretty worthless to use for anybody but the USPS.

Our old street name is the name of the subdivision I live in. County Club Rd ended where the sub division began, the house numbers were sequential from that point forward. This is one of three sub divisions around the club, all of which had legal street names and used the same style addressing that is used in the city limits. Now the several hundred houses out here must go through this hassel with no tangible benifit.

 

[LTC8K6]

They have changed the address of my office 3 times and the name of the road once too...

 

[GeekDrew]

i'm sure that there is *some* reason they're doing it. regardless of gov't inefficiency, they aren't going to needlessly renumber houses.

 

[Ronstang]

Illinois? It all makes sense. That is the only state I have ever driven in where a main highway just ENDED and I was dumped off into cornfields and a grid of gravel roads with NO SIGNS to where the original road was supposed to lead.