Great Windows 8.1 preview video

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Looks pretty good I must say. I wish he would have gone into more depth on the new Start button though.

The start button will just take you to metro.

I like all the little things but I think the biggest addition is sharing a wallpaper between metro and the desktop. Makes it feel way more cohesive now and less jarring to switch between the two.
 

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Lifer
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The start button will just take you to metro.

I like all the little things but I think the biggest addition is sharing a wallpaper between metro and the desktop. Makes it feel way more cohesive now and less jarring to switch between the two.

I actually prefer two different wallpapers ie one for old desktop UI and one for Metro,guess its' a preference thing.

Start button wise yes I've a heard it takes you to Metro too,not concerned to be honest but you can bet there will probably be a few threads popping up about it when it gets released.
 
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tential

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So are there performance upgrades? I just stumbled upon Windows 8.1 somehow(can't remember) and I was seriously disappointed. I'm fine with how windows 8 is now and won't be upgrading if it's just a bunch of silly app updates (for the most part).

What's under the hood MS.... For a serious "upgrade" it doesn't seem to be much at the moment.
 

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So are there performance upgrades? I just stumbled upon Windows 8.1 somehow(can't remember) and I was seriously disappointed. I'm fine with how windows 8 is now and won't be upgrading if it's just a bunch of silly app updates (for the most part).

What's under the hood MS.... For a serious "upgrade" it doesn't seem to be much at the moment.


Why not?..It's a free upgrade for Win8 owners.

Btw saw a member over at OCUK post this,

Windows 8.1 Security Improvements

Although it can be difficult to quantify the benefit of upgrading to the latest version of an operating system, one of the few things we universally agree on is improved security.

I know a lot of people are interested in that sort of thing but unfortunately a lot of the security stuff goes under the radar in the general news outlets, and since it will undoubtedly form the basis of questions between now and launch I thought I'd give a quick, distilled summary of what's new in Windows 8.1 and some of the objectives Microsoft claim to be headed toward.

We have of course the usual ASLR and DEP improvements that seem to come with every new release these days. This has the advantage of a) breaking lots of existing malware and b) raising the bar for new malware.

We also have a few more tangible talking points which I summarize below. The list isn't exhaustive but contains the bread and butter of what I think most people will find interesting.

TPMs, PTT & Device Encryption as standard

Microsoft are moving towards making TPM a Windows certification requirement for 2015, with a longer term view of making Device Encryption standard on all Windows computers.

People familiar with Device Encryption will know that the system is unmanaged. The solution to this is to store the user's recovery key in their SkyDrive and protection is enabled as soon as an administrator on the device signs in with a Microsoft Account.

The new Haswell CPUs and some of the Atoms available currently have PTT (Platform Trust Technology) enabled, which is a firmware based implementation of TPM. Microsoft are encouraging Intel to make this standard across all their processors.

Windows Defender

Microsoft have added network behaviour monitoring for Windows Defender in 8.1. This is an improvement in the heuristic detection of new malware for which signatures aren't yet available. An emphasis is being placed on a 'conservative' approach to reduce the likelihood of false-positives.

Internet Explorer

For binary extensions (ActiveX etc.) it is common for malicious websites to send a payload to exploit a vulnerability in the control. These payloads are not scanned before being executed. In Windows 8.1, Internet Explorer is able to offload the file to the AV solution (Windows Defender or third party products) for inspection before execution.

Biometrics

A long term Microsoft goal is to eradicate traditional passwords. One of the first steps in achieving this goal is to incorporate native biometric authentication. The plan is to make this authentication method a 'first class' experience which will hopefully make it the preferred method for users and thus drive OEMs to adopt the technology in more and more of their products (instead of limiting it to their higher-end business models)

By making this an option native to Windows, Microsoft can give users a consistent enrollment process instead of the current situation whereby 3rd party companies provide the drivers and the enrollment frameworks.

This will allow not only basic log-on scenarios in 8.1, but also UAC approval, and 'touch to purchase' options in the Windows store. App-specific security is now enabled, for example requiring biometric authentication to use certain features within the app, or even to launch the app itself.

Microsoft aren't alone in taking this path (Apple buying AuthenTec is not unrelated) so it's conceivable that it could be adopted more quickly than you think.

Remote PC Health Attestation

Or, in other words, remote analysis of system information to confirm the integrity of the system. Measured boot data, Action Centre status (anti-malware, firewall etc.) and also hashes of third party kernel mode drivers are periodically sent to the cloud service for inspection.

If suspicious results are detected, Microsoft will notify the client with recommendations. If it is suspected that your Microsoft Account has been compromised, appropriate remediation notifications will be sent via alternative email, SMS etc.

Cloud-based Certificate Crawler

Although not strictly an 8.1 feature, it's worthy of mention.

It's quite clear that Microsoft took the Flame attack very, very seriously. At the time they overhauled Windows Update within a few days, and almost certainly set to work immediately on technologies to help combat the threat going forward.

A lot of modern security systems are based on a tentative mixture of encryption and trust. The problem is, not all encryption is created equally, and chains of trust introduce weak links into the system.

Microsoft have created what I can probably best describe as a certificate 'watchdog', that crawls the web collecting certificates, analysing them for signs of suspicious activity and/or forgery. If a problem is detected Microsoft will notify the owner of the certificate who can then take appropriate action. This is platform agnostic and is a win for everybody, as we will all benefit from a more trustworthy certificate ecosystem.

So, that's a quick overview of the improvements. There is a bunch of other stuff relating to work folders and remote wiping, but if you're into that sort of thing you're going to want to do your own research.

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18517906
 
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smakme7757

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The improvements look really nice for a tablet. I'm actually pretty keen on getting a Windows Pro tab at the end of the year (xmas).

I don't see however, how any of the stuff they showed in that video makes it any better on a desktop.
 

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Lifer
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So MS is going to call you if something is wrong with your computer? Like the scammers do?


I don't see your point unless you are concerned about something going wrong during the upgrade?....Yes it can happen and I still have bad memories of telling a female friend to upgrade to SP3 (with XP) and guess what it broke her PC,if some thing goes wrong I'll do a fresh install so not bothered to be honest since I have several PCs with all my stuff backed up on both my Windows and Linux PCs.
 

tential

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Why not?..It's a free upgrade for Win8 owners.

Btw saw a member over at OCUK post this,



http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18517906

I hate being an early adopter. Anytime I update my stuff I'm always unlucky.

Updated itunes after not updating it for at least a year. I was like "Itunes 11!" I might as well. Boom, doesn't record playcounts anymore had to wait a couple months for them to fix it.

My motto always is "if it isn't broke don't upgrade". So unless there are compelling performance or under the hood stuff I probably will just wait until Windows 8.2 or Windows 9.
 

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I hate being an early adopter. Anytime I update my stuff I'm always unlucky.

Updated itunes after not updating it for at least a year. I was like "Itunes 11!" I might as well. Boom, doesn't record playcounts anymore had to wait a couple months for them to fix it.

My motto always is "if it isn't broke don't upgrade". So unless there are compelling performance or under the hood stuff I probably will just wait until Windows 8.2 or Windows 9.


I'll upgrade right away,something new to play with,guess its easy to do if you have a few PCs etc,with my two Linux PCs and Windows desktop PCs, Android smartphone,Android tablet,Windows 8 laptop etc...

Probably if I only had one PC I would be more cautious,but probably curiosity would get the better of me .
 

Makaveli

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Still not impressed.

I will throw it in a VM to play with but still not touching my desktop computer.
 

jiffylube1024

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If it is true and it actually will work correctly the greatest improvement will be automatic DPI scaling for high res displays. So that you can actually use a 10" 1440p display in desktop mode without a magnify glass.

And maybe you will be able to set this separately for each external display.

http://winsupersite.com/windows-8/blue-automatic-desktop-display-scaling

Exactly what I'm hoping for as well. They better be doing auto DPI scaling. Apple has shamed Microsoft in that regard over the past year; Windows' DPI scaling is dated and ugly.
 

Chiefcrowe

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exactly. microsoft MUST get this right, and right now, it's ridiculous!
they are already behind the curve in a lot of areas...


Exactly what I'm hoping for as well. They better be doing auto DPI scaling. Apple has shamed Microsoft in that regard over the past year; Windows' DPI scaling is dated and ugly.
 

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It cant be much worse than vanilla windows 8 right? Right M$??? In saying that, they surprise me time and again with how effectively they balls something up...
 

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Lifer
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It cant be much worse than vanilla windows 8 right? Right M$??? In saying that, they surprise me time and again with how effectively they balls something up...

Don't worry I 'm sure some members here will find something to moan about in Win9,10,11 etc....,some people are never happy and that's with it 10000x easier then the very old days like DOS

No OS is perfect,even my Linux Mint which I'm using to type this post..I think Microsoft do have some work to do (for some of those people out there)and it'll take them awhile,don't expect a perfect OS it'll neven happen.
 
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fritzfield

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I still don't see a desktop pc improvement for me as I never use metro. Looks like they really want that touchscreen market and the rest of us can pound salt.
 

Makaveli

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I still don't see a desktop pc improvement for me as I never use metro. Looks like they really want that touchscreen market and the rest of us can pound salt.

Yep if your primarily a desktop user that does serious work you are better off sticking to windows 7.

If all you do is browse the internet and play games then win 8 is great.....
 

crashtestdummy

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The improvements look really nice for a tablet. I'm actually pretty keen on getting a Windows Pro tab at the end of the year (xmas).

I don't see however, how any of the stuff they showed in that video makes it any better on a desktop.

Pretty much this. I found it especially funny when he was showing the adjustable split screen feature. It just seemed so useless compared to a simple desktop interface.
 

hhhd1

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Right now, windows 8 is holding a market share smaller than windows vista, even after 10 months of release.

I do not think Windows 8.1 is going to help in any way with that, and make it compete with Windows 7.

According to Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems

Windows 7 - 44.85%
Windows XP - 37.74%
OS X - 7.06%
Windows Vista - 4.51%
Windows 8 - 4.27%
Linux - 1.26%
Other - 2.14%
 
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Oakenfold

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MS...you can't seriously expect corporate to deploy Windows 8 or Win 8.1? Good luck!!!
Requiring a third party app to use the start button is going to FAIL risk assessments everywhere...

p.s. Good luck passing STIG for DOD with a third party app...

p.s.s. is it time to sell my shares in MS? This is pathetic...
 

VirtualLarry

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The solution to this is to store the user's recovery key in their SkyDrive and protection is enabled as soon as an administrator on the device signs in with a Microsoft Account.

Seriously. What is the point of encryption, if the OS is just going to store the keys in (unprotected) cloud storage, where anyone* can access it?

* You know who I mean.
 

mkrohn

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I have tried to force myself into using win 8 on my laptop and even with an app to use the classic start menu there's just too much I just don't like so I'll stick with 8 until 8.1 comes out and if its not right still I'll go back to my win 7 image
 
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Yep if your primarily a desktop user that does serious work you are better off sticking to windows 7.

If all you do is browse the internet and play games then win 8 is great.....

What a silly statement. W8, in no way, lessens productivity compared to W7. In fact, it's a faster OS overall.

If you don't like W8 and would rather stick with W7, that's a completely valid opinion and you should do so. But to suggest that W8 somehow prevents "serious work" is stupid.
 

darkewaffle

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MS...you can't seriously expect corporate to deploy Windows 8 or Win 8.1? Good luck!!!
Requiring a third party app to use the start button is going to FAIL risk assessments everywhere...

p.s. Good luck passing STIG for DOD with a third party app...

p.s.s. is it time to sell my shares in MS? This is pathetic...

Corporate hasn't even deployed Win7 yet.
 
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