Discussion Greatest Crime in American History

[Indus]

By Steve Schmidt:

"We are at this time right now.. where there is enough information to sit and wonder, might this be the greatest crime in American History?

The subversion of an American Election by a foreign power colluding with and in conspiracy with the President's campaign.

Its extraordinary to consider.

This is what George Washington warned the country about in his farewell address - The father of the country, when it was time for him to say goodbye.. this is what he warned about!

And its extraordinary to consider in this moment in time as we get ready to see a new congress come in and begin its oversight of this administration as all of the details are filled in to ponder what may have happened here.

It is an extraordinary moment that is coming in the history of our constitutional republic."





I'm a big historical nerd but I've never read Washington's farewell address. I think I will now.

 

[realibrad]

I would put 9/11 ahead of this by far.

Post 9/11, this is the biggest thing to happen to the US.

 

[Commodus]

I'll say I need more evidence, if just because it's clear there are still significant pieces of the puzzle that are missing. It's increasingly looking like one of the worst crimes of any presidency, however, and might actually make Watergate look petty.

The sad thing is that it's likely not due to an ideological betrayal, some high-level opposition to American values. It's just Trump being Trump: he will sell out or compromise anyone if it means getting richer. Pandering to Russia is, to him, just a necessary step for improving his bottom line. If it lets an autocratic ruler weaken the US by proxy, well, that's just too bad, isn't it?

 

[alien42]

I would put 9/11 ahead of this by far.

Post 9/11, this is the biggest thing to happen to the US.

9/11 obviously resulted in more direct and immediate deaths but it also brought our nation and the world together in unity. trump has the exact opposite effect.

 

[JSt0rm]

I would put 9/11 ahead of this by far.

Post 9/11, this is the biggest thing to happen to the US.

the greatest crime is the school system/ right wing radio / blogo whatever that produced enough chuds to elect trump.

 

[realibrad]

9/11 obviously resulted in more direct and immediate deaths but it also brought our nation and the world together in unity. trump has the exact opposite effect.

In the short run. Long term 9/11 split the US and ushered in anti-Arab and anti-Muslim beliefs. I would say the impact of 9/11 in just every way was worse than this.

What Russia did was/is huge. We responded to 9/11 for better or worse. Our response to Russia has been almost zero. I don't see any real response until Trump is out sadly.

 

[realibrad]

the greatest crime is the school system/ right wing radio / blogo whatever that produced enough chuds to elect trump.

What about the chuds that call everyone Nazis on a tech forum's P&N section. One has caused more damage, but, both are idiots.

 

[JSt0rm]

What about the chuds that call everyone Nazis on a tech forum's P&N section. One has caused more damage, but, both are idiots.

i dont call everyone a nazi.

 

[ch33zw1z]

What about the chuds that call everyone Nazis on a tech forum's P&N section. One has caused more damage, but, both are idiots.

You literally typed what about, stop there. Your comparison is ineffectual.

9/11 heightened the hate towards the middle East area, but anti-muslim and anti- rhetoric was alive and well before 9/11. Not agreeing or disagreeing with your assessment.

I will say that the permanent/long term effects of what's happening now will play out in time, and comparing it to post 9/11 USA is tough because we already know how it played out.

 

[realibrad]

You literally typed what about, stop there. Your comparison is ineffectual.

9/11 heightened the hate towards the middle East area, but anti-muslim and anti- rhetoric was alive and well before 9/11. Not agreeing or disagreeing with your assessment.

I will say that the permanent/long term effects of what's happening now will play out in time, and comparing it to post 9/11 USA is tough because we already know how it played out.

hur bur der, you also literally typed what about.

 

[ch33zw1z]

hur bur der, you also literally typed what about.

Whataboutism from you. Good job. GFY.

 

[realibrad]

Whataboutism from you. Good job. GFY.

hur bur der again, using words you dont understand. I dismissed neither side. Both are idiots, and one is harmful.

 

[ch33zw1z]

hur bur der again, using words you dont understand. I dismissed neither side. Both are idiots, and one is harmful.

Aw, I c, u mad.

 

[zinfamous]

What about the chuds that call everyone Nazis on a tech forum's P&N section. One has caused more damage, but, both are idiots.

speaking for myself, I only call the proud Nazis what they are, and it is only ever in response to unapologetic endorsement of actual Nazism. For members on this forum, I can only think of 2, maybe 3 such people off the top of my head. Nazis in the news, however, well there are clearly many more of them out there.

 

[ecogen]

Iraq war tho.

 

[Amused]

Now wait a second. What more does anyone need???

Trump's lawyers have ADMITTED to collusion and now claim it is not a crime.

So the fact that a candidate colluded with a foreign government to influence an election has been established as fact by not the the investigation, but by the defense.

 

[1sikbITCH]

Considering that the enemy successfully planted so far at least one admitted agent in the White House, one operating in the highest levels of the NRA, and has now been shown to have been grooming Trump for the Presidency for a very long time I would call this "war" not "crime". And he is not the only one. 7 GOP senators flew to Russia this year. Stayed for the 4th! If Reagan was alive he would have shot their freakin plane down. YUGE conspiracy yet to be unraveled.

Hopefully the US will begin fighting back once we regain control of our government.

 

[realibrad]

speaking for myself, I only call the proud Nazis what they are, and it is only ever in response to unapologetic endorsement of actual Nazism. For members on this forum, I can only think of 2, maybe 3 such people off the top of my head. Nazis in the news, however, well there are clearly many more of them out there.

Nothing to disagree with there.

 

[SMOGZINN]

9/11 obviously resulted in more direct and immediate deaths

So far. The thing that scares me the most about all this is that I don't believe that Trump will go down quietly when impeachment is looking inevitable. He is going to try to use all the powers of his office to stop it, and those powers include the military. I don't know what he will do, start a foreign war, or try to declare martial law to stop the impeachment claiming a 'which hunt' by traitorous democrats, or something else I haven't thought of, but I know it is going to try us as a nation like we haven't been tried since the civil war. And based on the ranting's of right wing people here and on other forums, I don't know if we are up to it.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I have insufficient data to make an absolute judgement.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

So far. The thing that scares me the most about all this is that I don't believe that Trump will go down quietly when impeachment is looking inevitable. He is going to try to use all the powers of his office to stop it, and those powers include the military. I don't know what he will do, start a foreign war, or try to declare martial law to stop the impeachment claiming a 'which hunt' by traitorous democrats, or something else I haven't thought of, but I know it is going to try us as a nation like we haven't been tried since the civil war. And based on the ranting's of right wing people here and on other forums, I don't know if we are up to it.

Let's not invest Trump with supervillan mind control powers, omega level. The Oaths the military and others take is NOT to ANY PRESIDENT. It is the Constitution and the military is as likely to shoot him if it came to it.

If the courts/Congress demand he leaves then he goes by force if necessary. The Secret Service may accompany the US Marshals in excorting him to detention or out of the building but make no mistake, at the point we're talking he will go out in chains in needed.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

the greatest crime is the school system/ right wing radio / blogo whatever that produced enough chuds to elect trump.

What about the chuds that call everyone Nazis on a tech forum's P&N section. One has caused more damage, but, both are idiots.

But...but...BOTH SIDES!

 

[Jaskalas]

I haven't seen any action on the Trump Tower meeting with Jr. And that's the biggest red flag, isn't it?

It seems like, if the sort of crimes alluded to did occur, then Mueller is holding back a lot of information. The same information that is necessary for me to process and accept the guilt of those suspected of said crimes. Ergo, OP, you've put the cart before the horse. That, or show us a video or article that has laid out and made the case.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Let's not invest Trump with supervillan mind control powers, omega level. The Oaths the military and others take is NOT to ANY PRESIDENT. It is the Constitution and the military is as likely to shoot him if it came to it.

If the courts/Congress demand he leaves then he goes by force if necessary. The Secret Service may accompany the US Marshals in excorting him to detention or out of the building but make no mistake, at the point we're talking he will go out in chains in needed.

I don't think that Trump has any super powers, but I know that if Trump gave an order, even a obviously illegal one like arrest congress, and gave even the most obviously untrue excuse on why, some would believe him and follow it.

 

[Indus]

Ergo, OP, you've put the cart before the horse. That, or show us a video or article that has laid out and made the case.

Can't find the whole video on their site but it was Nicolle Wallace's show yesterday.