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Denithor

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^ Exactly. I play a set of toons solo and another set with selected friends (only played with those friends to keep levels the same). It's quite fun, just feels "right" if you know what I mean. Need to go back and play now that I think about it.
 

zinfamous

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As long as you have self control, who cares what dup methods exist. Who cares what cheats people use. It's pretty much a single player game, unless you coop with some friends. If you guys don't cheat, it doesn't matter if some other person does. It has no affect on you.

I certainly get that, but is this a game that is supposed to have some type of player-based economy? Or at least the mechanics in place to make it work, and the content-need (end game content that needs or requires rare end-game gear) for it?

If not, then who cares. If so, then that kinda thing removes the economy. For some (not saying that's me), they get into the trading and accumulating massive (though ultimately worthless) wealth in these games.
 

bystander36

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I certainly get that, but is this a game that is supposed to have some type of player-based economy? Or at least the mechanics in place to make it work, and the content-need (end game content that needs or requires rare end-game gear) for it?

If not, then who cares. If so, then that kinda thing removes the economy. For some (not saying that's me), they get into the trading and accumulating massive (though ultimately worthless) wealth in these games.

There is no real setup in place for anything other than player to player trading. I've never traded personally. There are no requirements for specific gear, no matter how much some people think Ultimate requires perfect gear. There are many people who have beaten Ultimate with self found gear by that character. That said, there are some cool things you might be able to do certain gear.

I think the fun is just trying tons of different builds, and see how they do. I also pass on gear I've found from other characters to make those characters stronger than they'd otherwise be if I used only items they found.
 

Stg-Flame

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This game was focused as more of a single player game than a Battle.net style game like D2 was. The multiplayer is there but you won't find massive servers of thousands of people hosting games. It's been tossed around that massive multiplayer might hit later down the line when the expansion comes, but not anytime soon.
 

Jumpem

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I am curious about this game since Diablo 3 gets boring a while after each new patch.

Are you able to respec, or do you need to start new characters each time you want to make a change?
 

Stg-Flame

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I am curious about this game since Diablo 3 gets boring a while after each new patch.

Are you able to respec, or do you need to start new characters each time you want to make a change?

All skills and devotion points can be respecced (for a price of course) but the stats are permanent. The price for skills and devotion points starts off really small and you can actually revamp your entire build for pretty cheap, but if you have to respec your entire build more than once, you're looking at a ridiculous amount of iron. Besides, I believe the fun lies in making new builds and trying them out as you level up. If you just want to take a max level blank slate then try out every build with that one character, then I'll wager you will get bored in less than a week.
 

Jumpem

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All skills and devotion points can be respecced (for a price of course) but the stats are permanent. The price for skills and devotion points starts off really small and you can actually revamp your entire build for pretty cheap, but if you have to respec your entire build more than once, you're looking at a ridiculous amount of iron. Besides, I believe the fun lies in making new builds and trying them out as you level up. If you just want to take a max level blank slate then try out every build with that one character, then I'll wager you will get bored in less than a week.

Are there any sites that list builds for the different classes? I am thinking about a ranged demolitionist perhaps. I saw a video that showed dual wielding pistols. Is demolitionist the only class that uses pistols and rifles?
 

Stg-Flame

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http://grimcalc.com/

Any class can use rifles and pistols. The skills that augment ranged reside in Soldier, Demo, Shaman, and I believe Nightblade also has some ranged capabilities. The other classes all have skills that will buff the other skills or just be of general use. Arcanist is a great defensive as well as offensive mastery and Occultist has great debuffs and pets for drawing aggro.

Edit: I just realized you may have meant a site that features completed builds. If that's what you're after, just check out the official GrimDawn forums. People are always posting new builds with videos showing them clearing the rogue dungeons and final boss in short amounts of time. I'm rebuilding my damage reflect character because a lot of reflect damage was buffed and when I made that character, the final boss at the time killed himself while I just sat there.

GD Forums: http://www.grimdawn.com/forums/
 
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Which game has the hardest, deepest, most complex combat out of all these games? Grim Dawn, PoE, or Diablo 3? I haven't played any of them yet.
 

zinfamous

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There is no real setup in place for anything other than player to player trading. I've never traded personally. There are no requirements for specific gear, no matter how much some people think Ultimate requires perfect gear. There are many people who have beaten Ultimate with self found gear by that character. That said, there are some cool things you might be able to do certain gear.

I think the fun is just trying tons of different builds, and see how they do. I also pass on gear I've found from other characters to make those characters stronger than they'd otherwise be if I used only items they found.

ah OK, that's cool. I like games that focus more on clever builds than end-game grinding to improve your stats by like ~2% just to pass retarded HP walls. If good builds also don't require certain rare loot, that's a plus. Also passing between characters. That's a bonus.

I only brought up the trade thing simply because it adds another aspect to the game that a lot of people seem to enjoy. Not me, personally, but it does allow for a bit of economy which can be fun to dabble in from time to time.

All skills and devotion points can be respecced (for a price of course) but the stats are permanent. The price for skills and devotion points starts off really small and you can actually revamp your entire build for pretty cheap, but if you have to respec your entire build more than once, you're looking at a ridiculous amount of iron. Besides, I believe the fun lies in making new builds and trying them out as you level up. If you just want to take a max level blank slate then try out every build with that one character, then I'll wager you will get bored in less than a week.

But this, I don't like at all. I like to play all classes, and especially if I like a number of those classes, I like to dabble with various builds within each. Leveling is fun once or twice, but I can't bring myself to do it more than that these days. I'm certainly not going to do it just to play the same class over. If a game focuses on builds so heavily, then it should offer complete respecs either free, cheap, or moderately priced.
 
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Stg-Flame

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Considering there are 15 different class combinations to choose from, you won't be leveling once or twice to try them all out. Besides, within each mastery, there's generally two or three possible main-focus skills for particular builds so now with those 15 class combinations, you have over 45 different builds to try out and considering how many different ones I've seen on the official forums, I'd say that number is closer to 60+ builds with hundreds of variations to them.
 

Jumpem

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How do I save a game? Does this game auto-save only? If so, how do I know when my progress has been saved?

Are you able to reload a saved game from a particular time?
 
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bystander36

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How do I save a game? Does this game auto-save only? If so, how do I know when my progress has been saved?

Are you able to reload a saved game from a particular time?

It auto saves. I think you can go into the general settings and adjust how long between auto saves. It also will automatically save when you log out.

The only way to save a particular point in time is if you go into the save files and make a copy of them.
 

Jumpem

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It auto saves. I think you can go into the general settings and adjust how long between auto saves. It also will automatically save when you log out.

The only way to save a particular point in time is if you go into the save files and make a copy of them.

Thanks.
 

Stg-Flame

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Been playing since Build 24 and I don't ever recall an option like that.

Every time you exit the game, it will automatically save your game. Quest progress is really the only thing saved as you will always start back out in one of the three major "towns" with everything you found before you quit. Enemies, chests/breakables, and secret areas will all be reset upon exiting and loading your character. Some secret areas have multiple spawn locations so if you found it before you quit, it may not be in the same place the next time.

Also, the two rogue dungeons do not allow you to town portal out of them and since they both require a very rare item to access them, it will be a waste if you exit the game before you complete them.
 

Jumpem

Lifer
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Been playing since Build 24 and I don't ever recall an option like that.

Every time you exit the game, it will automatically save your game. Quest progress is really the only thing saved as you will always start back out in one of the three major "towns" with everything you found before you quit. Enemies, chests/breakables, and secret areas will all be reset upon exiting and loading your character. Some secret areas have multiple spawn locations so if you found it before you quit, it may not be in the same place the next time.

Also, the two rogue dungeons do not allow you to town portal out of them and since they both require a very rare item to access them, it will be a waste if you exit the game before you complete them.

This is good to know. I did not want to accidentally lose progress if it only saved at certain points.
 
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I tried it, seems nice in many ways and the grind is addictive at least, but I didn't like how all I ever did was hold Q and occasionally W. I got to level 14 but think I will try some other stuff.
 

bystander36

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I tried it, seems nice in many ways and the grind is addictive at least, but I didn't like how all I ever did was hold Q and occasionally W. I got to level 14 but think I will try some other stuff.

Don't you think level 14 is awfully early to make that judgement. You are at best, 2-5% done with the character. Like most RPG's, the early levels don't have a lot of skills developed, so you won't use a lot. Of course you can build high level characters that use few or many skills too.
 
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Don't you think level 14 is awfully early to make that judgement. You are at best, 2-5% done with the character. Like most RPG's, the early levels don't have a lot of skills developed, so you won't use a lot. Of course you can build high level characters that use few or many skills too.

Does it change much later on? I quite enjoyed it so can keep playing but I did some googling and saw some people say the higher level combat wasn't much different. I love the skill tree though, would love to unlock more of it.
 
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