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IndyColtsFan

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HOW. MANY. TIMES.

THAT'S NOT THE OPTION I WANT.

I'm always multi-tasking and trying to be as productive as possible. Your method forces me to wait while the updates install.

No, it doesn't. You can continue working and when the updates are done, a window pops up and allows you to reboot now or at a later time. I do this all the time.

I have a good reason to have updates installed automatically. If one requires a reboot and I'm finished with what I was working on, the reboot should go quickly and I can get back to work.

Here is a revolutionary idea -- you can schedule them to install and reboot late at night!
 

Saga

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-Phone call
-Win+R
-[Enter]
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-ZZZzzzzzzz

Using anything else for quick notes results in massive time wasted trying to strip formatting from the text.

Don't misunderstand. I use notepad 99% of the time. I've been a Windows Sysadmin for a very long time. However, anyone who does that should be willing to accept the risks of that notepad information being lost if it is not utilized for the "quick notes" as you specifically referenced.

That and any competent PC user would never let the OS decide when to install updates and/or restart their machine, frankly.
 

IndyColtsFan

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having an unpatched computer whose user keeps delaying reboots and possibly compromising the networks security is worse.

This. As someone who has worked in IT for 15 years, I can tell you that you NEVER give a user an option to delay a reboot if you control the patch scheduling. You give them a warning message (5 or 10 minutes) and then the reboot happens.
 

Ramma2

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Clearly none of your users are elitists who don't even need to run AV software.
 
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having an unpatched computer whose user keeps delaying reboots and possibly compromising the networks security is worse.

I agree. Which why it is mind boggling that your only options are to allow automatic installation of updates and risk automatic reboots, or disable automatic installation of updates altogether.
 

Ichinisan

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Where do you work? Can I get your managers email? Because I should forward this to them. You should be fired if this is "WHAT YOU DO!"
Should be obvious I'm talking about my own home desktop computer.

Any competent IT person would know how to have updates downloaded AND installed WITHOUT automatically rebooting a machine AND I've even outlined it clearly in this thread for you AND YOU STILL CAN'T GET IT!
I saw that. Why are you saying that I don't get it? It wasn't actually anything new to me...just beside the point that the default behavior for automatic updates has changed and you now have to override it. If it didn't happen to you, you probably wouldn't know until it DOES happen to you.

OOoooohhhh you haven't run a fucking antivirus since 95A. Big fat fucking deal, nobody gives a shit. I don't care to run shitty antivirus crap either. I do run MSSE because I have to deal with files which are not under my control all the time. I didn't run an AV until this was the case. I KNOW that I know what I'm fucking doing, and I can have auto updates installed WITHOUT REBOOTING because I know more than you and you can't even USE A FUCKING SEARCH ENGINE to FIND RELEVANT INFORMATION ABOUT THIS SHIT.

You've got to be the MOST USELESS IT person ever in the history of useless IT people. You're the type of person who gives REAL IT EXPERTS a bad name because you think you're some expert because you can push a fucking power button.

So no, THANK YOU MICROSOFT for making this turd look like a fool.

Wow. What an asshole. You didn't even skip a beat after saying "it's the default option" and "you just didn't click the right selection."

I've actually done the equivalent registry hack in the past for the gpedit tweak you mentioned. My system barely ever has the same hard drive from one month to the next. I haven't done that every time I install Windows and I shouldn't have to. A computer should only do what you tell it to. A few years back, the designed behavior was acceptable...then they changed it. I don't know why, but it had to happen a few times before I realized what was going on, and that's NOT acceptable.
 
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Ichinisan

Lifer
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No, it doesn't. You can continue working and when the updates are done, a window pops up and allows you to reboot now or at a later time. I do this all the time.



Here is a revolutionary idea -- you can schedule them to install and reboot late at night!

That would have ruined me. I think you missed the info about my situation. I was medically incapacitated.

Also, you are WRONG.

LOOK CLOSELY, EVERYONE.

This is another example of someone who thinks you can keep declining it to avoid an automatic restart.

YOU CAN'T. (*without a registry / group policy tweak)
 

Saga

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having an unpatched computer whose user keeps delaying reboots and possibly compromising the networks security is worse.

Frankly, any environment where a single user's outdated machine can compromise the network is an IT Security professional not doing his or her job. I'd say that's some serious hardware firewall configuration failure.

If your counter argument to this are users taking their machines home, I have worked in DoD environments to small 15 man offices and an individual antivirus capable of detecting malware/spyware/viruses is an absolute must-have, even for machines sitting behind a corporate firewall 100% of the time.

P.S. MSSE works great as a stand-alone for any Win7 machine. I've stopped buying corporate antivirus solutions completely as there is absolutely no need to do so when Microsoft provides a superior integrated software for free.
 

IndyColtsFan

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This is another example of someone who thinks you can keep declining it to avoid an automatic restart.

YOU CAN'T. (*without a registry / group policy tweak)

You most certainly CAN if you're on Vista or above. I've done multiple "Wait 4 hours" selections before. No problem.
 

evident

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like someone else said, if you used onenote or word you wouldn't have lost your notes
 

MiniDoom

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Frankly, any environment where a single user's outdated machine can compromise the network is an IT Security professional not doing his or her job. I'd say that's some serious hardware firewall configuration failure.

If your counter argument to this are users taking their machines home, I have worked in DoD environments to small 15 man offices and an individual antivirus capable of detecting malware/spyware/viruses is an absolute must-have, even for machines sitting behind a corporate firewall 100% of the time.

P.S. MSSE works great as a stand-alone for any Win7 machine. I've stopped buying corporate antivirus solutions completely as there is absolutely no need to do so when Microsoft provides a superior integrated software for free.

yeah, that's why i said possibly. the problem with av is they only detect known virus's, they don't mitigate the underlying vulnerability that caused the computer to become compromised in the first place as security updates do.
 

Ichinisan

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You most certainly CAN if you're on Vista or above. I've done multiple "Wait 4 hours" selections before. No problem.

Whoosh.

I'm saying you can delay all you want, it WILL eventually stop reminding you and just do it. I don't recall if it's at midnight, or 3AM...but I've actually witnessed it.

You have to do the tweak Numenorean mentioned to prevent this.

I can understand if this was part of a corporate domain where the security of the entire network could hinge on one computer, but it's not OK for a personal computer to do this.
 

mb

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My point is, I did NOT. I gave it permission to install the updates; NOT restart. Microsoft used to respect this preference. They do not anymore.

Apparently, a PSA is necessary because at least one person in this thread insists that you can postpone the restart forever. Reality: You can't.

Exactly. To install the updates, it must reboot your machine.

/thread
 

Lifted

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The OP does have a point, though I think at this point ATOT is trolling the OP so hard, and he's gone batshit insane already, that nobody will agree with him even if they know 100% he is correct. A few people here get it. A computer should not restart without your approval when there is no way for an average user to know that the computer MAY restart.

Nobody here can deny that fact that NOWHERE in the Windows Update settings page does it say "The computer may automatically restart after updates are installed".

Numenorean, who appears to have gone just as batshit insane as the OP, hasn't acknowledged this fact, or the fact that gpedit does not exist in home editions of Windows.
 

Apple Of Sodom

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yeah, that's why i said possibly. the problem with av is they only detect known virus's, they don't mitigate the underlying vulnerability that caused the computer to become compromised in the first place as security updates do.

Not true. AV use heuristics to determine if virus like activity is occurring. This helps to eliminate zero-day threats.

EDIT: Back on-topic, the OP is an idiot. There could have been a million reasons why his workstation would turn off and lost his work. If the work is that important, you save it. Period. End of story.

And for someone who is such an IT expert you would think he would KNOW that by automatically installing updates you implicitly agree to a reboot afterward.

1) Set updates to download but not install
2) At the end of your day, save all your shit
3) Hit the install button on the way out the door. It will reboot after it is done.

Who the fuck doesn't know this? Please, OP, PLEASE, for those of us who are actually good at doing this type of stuff, PLEASE quit your job. Unless you are part of the Geek Squad. If so, carry on.
 
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