Gruber. Not much mentioned, but deceit seemed part of the plan.

[Hayabusa Rider]

There seems to be little doubt about purposeful deception.

That's one of several videos out there regarding this and some politicians have said "we don't know who that is" then it seems that that wasn't true either.

Whether one approves of Obamacare or not this seems less than ethical for an administration that is supposedly just that.

 

[fskimospy]

There seems to be little doubt about purposeful deception.

That's one of several videos out there regarding this and some politicians have said "we don't know who that is" then it seems that that wasn't true either.

Whether one approves of Obamacare or not this seems less than ethical for an administration that is supposedly just that.

Basically every bill is written in a way that gives it the best messaging. This is true for both parties and has been for many, many years.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

So those of us that have decent employer provided healthcare will take it in the shorts come 2018, well ain't that just lovely.

 

[FerrelGeek]

Basically every bill is written in a way that gives it the best messaging. This is true for both parties and has been for many, many years.

And here we go with the predictable rationalizing. Both sides so it, so it's ok - especially when it's my side.

 

[fskimospy]

And here we go with the predictable rationalizing. Both sides so it, so it's ok - especially when it's my side.

Huh? Is your complaint that politicians do things in a way that gives them political advantage?

Why are you surprised and how on earth would you suggest we make it any different?

This is the same thing that has been going on for our whole lifetimes and suddenly now it is an issue because of a law you don't like? Guess what, the PATRIOT Act wasn't about patriots either.

 

[Bird222]

The ACA was debated ad nauseam for like a year and a half.

 

[FerrelGeek]

Huh? Is your complaint that politicians do things in a way that gives them political advantage?

Why are you surprised and how on earth would you suggest we make it any different?

This is the same thing that has been going on for our whole lifetimes and suddenly now it is an issue because of a law you don't like? Guess what, the PATRIOT Act wasn't about patriots either.

No it wasn't and I didn't like that one either, son. But please find me several videos of some elitist talking about needing to lie to people to go along with it. Not saying it didn't happen, mind you.

What makes me upset about all this is people's blase reaction. Oh, silly political hacks; here they go lying to us again. As I've stated before, we get the government that we deserve.

 

[fskimospy]

No it wasn't and I didn't like that one either, son. But please find me several videos of some elitist talking about needing to lie to people to go along with it. Not saying it didn't happen, mind you.

What makes me upset about all this is people's blase reaction. Oh, silly political hacks; here they go lying to us again. As I've stated before, we get the government that we deserve.

So seriously, please give me a scenario in which you will make it so that politicians don't draft their legislation for political advantage. Furthermore, show me how in such a case this will also prevent opponents of whatever legislation it is from not dishonestly framing it for political advantage.

I'm genuinely curious as to how you expect to accomplish this.

This is one of those "water is wet" things.

 

[Newell Steamer]

A single economist (one of many) that was hired by the Democratic party, said something bad in 2010; ,.. bbbllllaaaarrrggghhh!!!!

A few congress people from the Republican party said something bad, like, within the past few months; ,... oh, it's just one or two crazies,.. why are you being so pedantic? What's up with the bias on bashing the GOP?? Geeez.

 

[cabri]

A single economist (one of many) that was hired by the Democratic party, said something bad in 2010; ,.. bbbllllaaaarrrggghhh!!!!

A few congress people from the Republican party said something bad, like, within the past few months; ,... oh, it's just one or two crazies,.. why are you being so pedantic? What's up with the bias on bashing the GOP?? Geeez.

Apparently, Obama was very willing to go along with the deception.

since deception was needed, they knew that there was a problem with the intent and/or implementation that would not survive scrutiny

 

[rudder]

A single economist (one of many) that was hired by the Democratic party, said something bad in 2010; ,.. bbbllllaaaarrrggghhh!!!!

A few congress people from the Republican party said something bad, like, within the past few months; ,... oh, it's just one or two crazies,.. why are you being so pedantic? What's up with the bias on bashing the GOP?? Geeez.

If you are referring to Gruber... this is a little beyond someone saying something bad. He was paid a lot of money by the government to work on an entitlement program that has since become law. His comments were made on multiple occasions. He knew he had to confuse the liberals and count on their stupidity otherwise without their support obamacare would be dead in the water.

 

[Thebobo]

So those of us that have decent employer provided healthcare will take it in the shorts come 2018, well ain't that just lovely.

I cant wait!

 

[thraashman]

So those of us that have decent employer provided healthcare will take it in the shorts come 2018, well ain't that just lovely.

Yeah, damn all those people who wouldn't just lie down and die for lack of insurance so that I could save $50 a month! Damn them all to hell! Which will have to wait a few years now since they won't be dying as quickly because of the ACA. Thanks Obama!

 

[Genx87]

At least this guy was honest in his opinion of the avg voter.

 

[rudder]

Yeah, damn all those people who wouldn't just lie down and die for lack of insurance so that I could save $50 a month! Damn them all to hell! Which will have to wait a few years now since they won't be dying as quickly because of the ACA. Thanks Obama!

health insurance =/ access to excellent medical care. The ACA takes us in the wrong direction. obamacare supporters have not and likely will never understand this.

 

[unokitty]

Actually, I'm not upset.

In fact, I'm amused at how Obama's fans rationalize his deceit.

If you like Obama's lies, you can keep his lies.

Uno

 

[BoberFett]

LOL, America.

 

[facetman]

So much for the " most transparent administration ever". LOL - but the "both sides do it" argument is correct also. The difference is the GOP does not have the mainstream media helping them and the GOP is pretty stupid regarding the deception part of politics.

Hey Thraashman -and I quote: " Yeah, damn all those people who wouldn't just lie down and die for lack of insurance so that I could save $50 a month! Damn them all to hell! Which will have to wait a few years now since they won't be dying as quickly because of the ACA."

Love this point of view - instead of $50 , how about $100, or $500 or $1000, At what point is it too much? Nobody is preventing you or anybody else to give more to the government by choice. You or anybody can "give" to those that cannot afford healthcare or insurance or a better cell phone if you so desire. Why to you think it is OK for the government to take the $50 or however much BY FORCE? I think anytime the government starts taking from citizens with a new tax (or any other vehicle of collection) that is forced on the citizen it is a slippery slope on "how much" they will take and keep on taking more. What happened to NO taxation without representation. I don't remember voting on the ACA or Obamacare or what ever else you want to call it- the reality is - it is a TAX.

https://www.google.com/#q=tax+definition
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[FerrelGeek]

I've already learned that it's pointless to discuss anything with you as you will rationalize anyone to death that tries. Besides, my post was more of a rant. There is no valid scenario, I freely admit that; but it doesn't mean I can't be annoyed by the acceptable norm of politics.

And I still maintain that if this came out under a republican admin, you wouldn't be so accepting of it.

So seriously, please give me a scenario in which you will make it so that politicians don't draft their legislation for political advantage. Furthermore, show me how in such a case this will also prevent opponents of whatever legislation it is from not dishonestly framing it for political advantage.

I'm genuinely curious as to how you expect to accomplish this.

This is one of those "water is wet" things.

 

[fskimospy]

I've already learned that it's pointless to discuss anything with you as you will rationalize anyone to death that tries. Besides, my post was more of a rant. There is no valid scenario, I freely admit that; but it doesn't mean I can't be annoyed by the acceptable norm of politics.

And I still maintain that if this came out under a republican admin, you wouldn't be so accepting of it.

It seems odd to talk shit to someone when you're basically agreeing they were right.

I think when people are trying to tweak legislation for political advantage it should absolutely be called out. I'm 100% for that. In this case people are trying to act like the ACA is somehow special in that regard, which is bullshit, and something THEY should be called out for.

 

[K1052]

What happened to NO taxation without representation. I don't remember voting on the ACA or Obamacare or what ever else you want to call it- the reality is - it is a TAX.

You are aware of how a republican government (specifically ours) functions right?

 

[K1052]

It seems odd to talk shit to someone when you're basically agreeing they were right.

I think when people are trying to tweak legislation for political advantage it should absolutely be called out. I'm 100% for that. In this case people are trying to act like the ACA is somehow special in that regard, which is bullshit, and something THEY should be called out for.

Did the Patriot Act not turn us all into patriots?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I cant wait!

I'll make sure to get both of my knee replacement surgeries done before 2018 while my yearly deductible is $300 and max out of pocket $2,000.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Yeah, damn all those people who wouldn't just lie down and die for lack of insurance so that I could save $50 a month! Damn them all to hell! Which will have to wait a few years now since they won't be dying as quickly because of the ACA. Thanks Obama!

You may want to wipe up the foam from the corners of your mouth.

 

[Ken g6]

I'm confused. How is it that a tax affecting only insurance plans costing over $10,000/year will eventually affect all plans? My non-employer-sponsored insurance costs about $1,200 $2,400/year. Are they saying that all insurance will soon cost over $10,000/year?!

Or was that a projection from before the ACA went into effect? My insurance price actually went down this year!