If you were buying a card with no intention of overclocking or doing other mods I think the GTX 560 SoC is the best in terms of price vs performance. If we bring in other factors it does tend to get murky though.
If you were buying a card with no intention of overclocking or doing other mods I think the GTX 560 SoC is the best in terms of price vs performance. If we bring in other factors it does tend to get murky though.The 6970 cost 25% more then the Gigabyte gtx560 SOC while only giving a 2% boost in performance, unless you are 2500x1600. I would use the gtx570 as a example too, but its down to 315$ AR now.
The 6950 is 15% slower then the gigabyte SOC, but only cost 13$ less.
Therefore the gtx560 SOC is the best deal out there @ 1900x1080 and below.
Speaking in overall price/performance can we agree?
If you were buying a card with no intention of overclocking or doing other mods I think the GTX 560 SoC is the best in terms of price vs performance. If we bring in other factors it does tend to get murky though.
I used FRAPS to benchmark Metro 2033 while I was playing Chapter 4.3D marks performance preset is at 1280x720, that's why I always thought it was dumb. probably why memory isn't making much difference.
Sorry to keep asking, but could you try some real games?
The 6970 cost 25% more then the Gigabyte gtx560 SOC while only giving a 2% boost in performance, unless you are 2500x1600. I would use the gtx570 as a example too, but its down to 315$ AR now.
The 6950 is 15% slower then the gigabyte SOC, but only cost 13$ less.
Therefore the gtx560 SOC is the best deal out there @ 1900x1080 and below.
Speaking in overall price/performance can we agree?
It might be a better investment than a 6970, but the 6970 and the GTX560 aren't the only cards out there.Now the question for the buyer is for that 10% faster speed (when both are fully overclocked) is it worth the extra $75 for the 6970 @ 1900x1080 or below.
IMHO ,for me?, I would say no.
You?
I used FRAPS to benchmark Metro 2033 while I was playing Chapter 4.
My Results at 1920x1200 - Quality Very High - DirectX 11 - AAA - AFx16 - Tessellation ON - DOF ON
I maxed out everything I could see on the menu and turned on everything I could.
MIN: 20
AVG: 33.947
MAX: 57
How does this compare to a GTX 560 Ti SoC? Rig in my sig.
happy, I would never EVER buy a 6970 at 379$ lol, it's a terrible value IMHO but a better comparison would be what I am running on right now. You can take a 6950 unlock it and OC it from there which should bring me right at where the 6970 OCed should be.Agreed.:thumbsup:
Next, If we take a Gigabyte gtx560 SOC @ 1000 core, add voltage and get it too 1100 core (10% overclock), and then take a 6970 add voltage and overclocked it (20% ~1100 core), which is still the best bang for the buck when both are overclocked, and the 6970 is 10% faster for 25% more price?
It gets alot less "murky" looking at it that way.
Now the gtx560 SOC might be the "best bang for your buck" (weather overclocked or not) but the 6970 is faster when both are overclocked.
Agreed so far bad boy?
Now the question for the buyer is for that 10% faster speed (when both are fully overclocked) is it worth the extra $75 for the 6970 @ 1900x1080 or below.
IMHO ,for me?, I would say no.
You?
That is only true if overclocking isn't a factor.
EDIT: guess this was posted a bit too late.
It might be a better investment than a 6970, but the 6970 and the GTX560 aren't the only cards out there.
I dont understand the obsession of having to sell the 6970 as 1080p or lower card.
The 6970 cost 25% more then the Gigabyte gtx560 SOC while only giving a 2% boost in performance, unless you are 2500x1600. I would use the gtx570 as a example too, but its down to 315$ AR now.
The 6950 is 15% slower then the gigabyte SOC, but only cost 13$ less.
Therefore the gtx560 SOC is the best deal out there @ 1900x1080 and below.
Speaking in overall price/performance can we agree?
If you were buying a card with no intention of overclocking or doing other mods I think the GTX 560 SoC is the best in terms of price vs performance. If we bring in other factors it does tend to get murky though.
Agreed.
Next, If we take a Gigabyte gtx560 SOC @ 1000 core, add voltage and get it too 1100 core (10% overclock), and then take a 6970 add voltage and overclocked it (20% ~1100 core), which is still the best bang for the buck when both are overclocked, and the 6970 is 10% faster for 25% more price?
It gets alot less "murky" looking at it that way.
Now the gtx560 SOC might be the "best bang for your buck" (weather overclocked or not) but the 6970 is faster when both are overclocked.
Agreed so far bad boy?
Now the question for the buyer is for that 10% faster speed (when both are fully overclocked) is it worth the extra $75 for the 6970 @ 1900x1080 or below.
IMHO ,for me?, I would say no.
You?
Then a ZR1 vette should not outperform an Audi R-8 based on price. But it does. You can't go by price ALONE. It's the biggest factor, but not the only factor. Not by a mile.
See:Badboy? :whiste:
happy, I would never EVER buy a 6970 at 379$ lol, it's a terrible value IMHO but a better comparison would be what I am running on right now. You can take a 6950 unlock it and OC it from there which should bring me right at where the 6970 OCed should be.
In that case it all comes down to brand preference and your resolution. If I was anything above 1080p I would go with a HD 6950, if it was less I would go with GTX 560 Ti. the 200-300$ market is seriously stuffed and it's very hard to make a decision if your in the market right now.
Also once you dip at or below 1680x1050, 2 new challengers arrive GTX 460 1 GB OCed and the AMD 6870... Damn man it's tough to pick these days.
I would still go for the R8 cause its just as fast in real life and it isn't a plastic car with an interior that would fall apart around me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4CPBfpnye0
I also think the R8 looks better and sounds better.
Badboy? :whiste: I'm trying to stick to the op topic and our conversation.
Agreed.:thumbsup:
Next, If we take a Gigabyte gtx560 SOC @ 1000 core, add voltage and get it too 1100 core (10% overclock), and then take a 6970 add voltage and overclocked it (20% ~1100 core), which is still the best bang for the buck when both are overclocked, and the 6970 is 10% faster for 25% more price?
The other issue which I'm sure people are having, is it worth spending upwards of $100 or more for the 6970 when it does not support Physx\CUDA\3D\ambient occlusion\etc.
I'm betting for most people the answer is no.
The 6970 cost 25% more then the Gigabyte gtx560 SOC while only giving a 2% boost in performance, unless you are 2500x1600. I would use the gtx570 as a example too, but its down to 315$ AR now.
The 6950 is 15% slower then the gigabyte SOC, but only cost 13$ less.
Therefore the gtx560 SOC is the best deal out there @ 1900x1080 and below.
Speaking in overall price/performance can we agree?
If you were buying a card with no intention of overclocking or doing other mods I think the GTX 560 SoC is the best in terms of price vs performance. If we bring in other factors it does tend to get murky though.
Agreed.
Next, If we take a Gigabyte gtx560 SOC @ 1000 core, add voltage and get it too 1100 core (10% overclock), and then take a 6970 add voltage and overclocked it (20% ~1100 core), which is still the best bang for the buck when both are overclocked, and the 6970 is 10% faster for 25% more price?It gets alot less "murky" looking at it that way?.
Now the gtx560 SOC might be the "best bang for your buck" (weather overclocked or not) but the 6970 is faster when both are overclocked.
Agreed so far bad boy?
Now the question for the buyer is for that 10% faster speed (when both are fully overclocked) is it worth the extra $75 for the 6970 @ 1900x1080 or below.
IMHO ,for me?, I would say no.
You?
happy, I would never EVER buy a 6970 at 379$ lol, it's a terrible value IMHO but a better comparison would be what I am running on right now. You can take a 6950 unlock it and OC it from there which should bring me right at where the 6970 OCed should be.
In that case it all comes down to brand preference and your resolution. If I was anything above 1080p I would go with a HD 6950, if it was less I would go with GTX 560 Ti. the 200-300$ market is seriously stuffed and it's very hard to make a decision if your in the market right now.
Also once you dip at or below 1680x1050, 2 new challengers arrive GTX 460 1 GB OCed and the AMD 6870... Damn man it's tough to pick these days.
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I would still go for the R8 cause its just as fast in real life and it isn't a plastic car with an interior that would fall apart around me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4CPBfpnye0
See why car analogies complete dumb, performance car purchases are almost all completely subjective.
I also think the R8 looks better and sounds better.
Now the question for the buyer is for that 10% faster speed (when both are fully overclocked) is it worth the extra $75 for the 6970 @ 1900x1080 or below.
IMHO ,for me?, I would say no.
You?
That's because you are completely ignoring other relating facts.To be honest , it doesn't look like you answerd anything in my prior post with this response below. In fact it looks like a response for a whole different thread, perhaps a 6950 unlocked overclocked vs gtx560 SOC thread.
Can I kindly have honest answers to my questions above?
The other issue which I'm sure people are having, is it worth spending upwards of $100 or more for the 6970 when it does not support Physx\CUDA\3D\ambient occlusion\etc.
I'm betting for most people the answer is no.
You ignore Clarkson's conclusions in the end though. He says the R-8 has no personality and offered next to no fun factor. He even said he wanted to buy a ZR1 when he got back to england. Not in this episode though.
Anyway, my original analogy was perfect even if you don't think so. Cost is a big factor, but not the only factor. Not by a mile.
http://www.guru3d.com/article/gigabyte-gtx-560-ti-soc-review/16We have benchmarks for a 1ghz 6970 in metro, can you find benchmarks for a 1ghz 560 and see if that 10% faster claim of yours is true?
You ignore Clarkson's conclusions in the end though. He says the R-8 has no personality and offered next to no fun factor. He even said he wanted to buy a ZR1 when he got back to england. Not in this episode though.
Anyway, my original analogy was perfect even if you don't think so. Cost is a big factor, but not the only factor. Not by a mile.
That's because you are completely ignoring other relating facts.