This is getting very disgusting.
Its just marketing. No need to get worked up.
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This is getting very disgusting.
Its just marketing. No need to get worked up.
Samsung presented the details of its 10nm process at the VLSI symposium and it really is more comparable to Intel 14nm than 10nm. 48nm minimum metal, 64nm gate pitch, 0.052um^2 SRAM cell.
Think of it as a slightly improved Intel 14nm
Yes, is this. That's why the other foundries are ramping up so fast the 10nm processes.
I don't think we will see any foundry catch the one node lead Intel haves.
Makes me wonder if Samsung managed to poach Intel talent or secrets like they did TSMC.
Heck, I can't even tell from the article what device Samsung detailed - could have just been a single Arm 7 core for all I know - which wouldn't be that big a deal.
Heck, I can't even tell from the article what device Samsung detailed - could have just been a single Arm 7 core for all I know - which wouldn't be that big a deal.
It distorts people's view of the semiconductor industry.
It distorts people's view of the semiconductor industry.
Makes me wonder if Samsung managed to poach Intel talent or secrets like they did TSMC.
The only people paying attention are mostly those that know better anyway. John Q. Public really doesn't understand or care about 10nm or 14nm or gate pitch. Cat videos and arguing with strangers is more important.
Pretty much. There's probably some investor types that eat up these press releases. ZOMG Samsung demos 10nm process before Intel! News at 11! Seriously though, anyone who can not cut through the bs deserves what they get.
unless there's something specific to the contrary, it's an SRAM. those are always first.
Seriously though, anyone who can not cut through the bs deserves what they get.
If Samsung's "10nm" process is close to Intel's 14nm process, that does make the game a little bit more interesting.
The only people paying attention are mostly those that know better anyway. John Q. Public really doesn't understand or care about 10nm or 14nm or gate pitch. Cat videos and arguing with strangers is more important.
That is not true. Most people who follow tech know that chips are produced on a certain manufacturing node. Most of those people think that a 10nm node will really have 10nm transistors, and that all 14nm nodes are created equal.
They just see the node name, know that lower is better (an advancement on ML), but nothing more. They don't know about feature sizes, transistors or HKMG.
Most people who follow tech != most people, or the general population. While you're quite right that a subset of tech followers aren't as interested as we are, that doesn't mean that the general population will even care what manufacturing node is associated with what company...
No one was arguing that.
Thankfully, none of those people are the customers of fans.That is not true. Most people who follow tech know that chips are produced on a certain manufacturing node. Most of those people think that a 10nm node will really have 10nm transistors, and that all 14nm nodes are created equal.
They just see the node name, know that lower is better (an advancement on ML), but nothing more. They don't know about feature sizes, transistors or HKMG.
Building the world's first, but entirely cost prohibitive, 10nm node is not exactly what the fabless community is looking for a foundry to provide.
Are any of the non-Intel fabs actually producing products that are being sold on the open market using any process labelled 16nm, 14nm, or anything else sub-20nm?
Nope. Samsung has been talking about their 14nm being in production but to date there are no devices to be bought that contain said chip.
Lets see how "14/10"nm devices perform and how many units is sold at what profit. It cuts through all the pr crap.