GT300 Benchmarks

[Stoneburner]

I'll still never understand the life of a human being who's entire existence is caught up with a corporation, a non-existent entity that could not care less about him even if you paid it.

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: AyashiKaibutsu


lol run and hide I see. .

Notice how he also ignores the front page of the steam survey which shows NVIDIA 2:1 over ATI.

It's sad really.

I don't like the things you ignore anymore than the things he ignores. It's just everyones quick to point out what you say (rightfully so) while too often giving the AMD fanboys freepass. Using steam numbers as any sort of argument of superiority is stupid anyway. Didn't the 5200 have some massive numbers for a long time? When random people find they need a video card they usually run out to walmart or best buy and get whatever is cheapest or the clueless salesman suggests. I bet if you compared the 9000 series to just the 5600-5900 it'd be crushing nvidia too (not to say the ati cards weren't better), but all of that's irrelevant since which company sells the most hardly has to do with who can make the better enthusiast card.

 

[Schmide]

Originally posted by: Wreckage
Notice how he also ignores the front page of the steam survey which shows NVIDIA 2:1 over ATI.

It's sad really.

and because

Originally posted by: Wreckage
How was NVIDIA caught with their pants down? The GTX280 was a great deal faster and they outsold ATI 2:1

Is poorly phrased. The inference is that the GTX280 outsold ATI 2:1. The g80,g92 era had basically free reign (edit) for a couple years. I would bet they out sold ATI 5:1.

In fact, the success of nVidia's previous generation kind of handicaps its current generation in terms of sales. Especially when the value of its current generation is relatively expensive for its performance advantage.

It is a bad use of statistics to sum the 2 eras together and infer the success of the GT200 over the RV700.

 

[lavaheadache]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: nemesismk2

I am sure that the GT300 is going to be very fast but that youtube video is rubbish.

Oh I agree. It's just amazing how upset some people are getting over this.

Charlie posts stuff that makes this video look like gold.

The irony and the hypocrisy is so thick it's almost sad.

I have a feeling that these benchmarks could be accurate or close and that when the GT300 is released some people will go into mourning for their lost soul.

What happens if the benchmarks prove to not at all correct. Will you go mourning for your lost soul:Q?

 

[Mistwalker]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: nemesismk2

I am sure that the GT300 is going to be very fast but that youtube video is rubbish.

Oh I agree. It's just amazing how upset some people are getting over this.

Charlie posts stuff that makes this video look like gold.

The irony and the hypocrisy is so thick it's almost sad.

I have a feeling that these benchmarks could be accurate or close and that when the GT300 is released some people will go into mourning for their lost soul.

So you created a thread about a video you knew to be false, just to rile up fanboys in ATI's camp so you could point the finger and say "You guys do it too!" and then talk about irony and hypocrisy?

Seriously--how the hell do you still have posting privileges?

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: lavaheadache

What happens if the benchmarks prove to not at all correct. Will you go mourning for your lost soul:Q?

Nah. Because unlike you and a handful of others I don't take any of this personally.

I do feel sorry for you though if that helps.

Originally posted by: Mistwalker

So you created a thread about a video you knew to be false

I don't know that it is false. I just take it with a grain of salt is all.

The numbers do look reasonable.

Just because it's a fairly one sided forum and certain people get upset over this is not my fault.

 

[lavaheadache]

Originally posted by: Schmide

Originally posted by: Wreckage
Notice how he also ignores the front page of the steam survey which shows NVIDIA 2:1 over ATI.

It's sad really.

and because

Originally posted by: Wreckage
How was NVIDIA caught with their pants down? The GTX280 was a great deal faster and they outsold ATI 2:1

Is poorly phrased. The inference is that the GTX280 outsold ATI 2:1. The g80,g92 era had basically freerain for a couple years. I would bet they out sold ATI 5:1.

In fact, the success of nVidia's previous generation kind of handicaps its current generation in terms of sales. Especially when the value of its current generation is relatively expensive for its performance advantage.

It is a bad use of statistics to sum the 2 eras together and infer the success of the GT200 over the R700.

sorry to be a grammar nazi but, it's reign

 

[Schmide]

Originally posted by: Wreckage
I don't know that it is false. I just take it with a grain of salt is all.

The numbers do look reasonable.

Just because it's a fairly one sided forum and certain people get upset over this is not my fault.

If you gave others the same curtsy, half the crap on this board could be avoided.

 

[OCGuy]

I honestly dont think 5XXX are making too much money. People sitting on 2XX or 4XXX have no reason to upgrade. Early adopters? Of course. It is fun to buy new hardware and play.

But in reality? If the last gen is such a small part of the market according to the Steam survey...I cant imagine what 5XXX really is at this point.

 

[lavaheadache]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: lavaheadache

What happens if the benchmarks prove to not at all correct. Will you go mourning for your lost soul:Q?

Nah. Because unlike you and a handful of others I don't take any of this personally.

I do feel sorry for you though if that helps.

Originally posted by: Mistwalker

So you created a thread about a video you knew to be false

I don't know that it is false. I just take it with a grain of salt is all.

The numbers do look reasonable.

Just because it's a fairly one sided forum and certain people get upset over this is not my fault.

It's not that I take any of this personally but my whole stance behind everything that you post is that is piss poor misguided information, as is this very thread.

 

[deputc26]

lol, fasted growing thread ever.

 

[Ben90]

yea i know, this thread was hauling ass yesterday, like a post every min. Im just watching and loling at everyone freaking out over some fake benchmarks

*edit*

Haha that sucks for everyone, the integer that holds my post count now needs to be over 1 byte. Im going to fucking spam and the server will be freaking out like:
"OH JESUS!! TOO MANY BYTES!"

Slowing down the forums, and wasting ur bandwidth 2 bytes at a time

 

[Ben90]

DOUBLE POST NUKKAS!

I bet you some money that this thread dies now, as it seems whenever i post something all the cool kids go somewhere else.

Either that or they cant load the page cuz the server is serving too many bytes

 

[alyarb]

thread is a disgrace

 

[Dribble]

Originally posted by: alyarb
thread is a disgrace

As is *insert your favourite Charlie thread here*

Wreckage is an argumentative green fanboy, but by posting this obviously biased link all he's done is stoop to the level of those who enjoy posting Charlie "nvidia causes world hunger" threads to wind him up.

Hence it is pretty hard for many of the equally argumentative red fanboys to take the moral high ground here.

 

[BenSkywalker]

if you had to purchase a new high end card today, would you buy a gtx 295? Actually, I guess you might, but the vast majority of non-biased individuals would go red atm.

No way would I buy a GTX295 or a 5870, both of them are terrible values no matter how you look at it. Out of all of the new parts and high end offerings the 5850 is the only one that would be remotely attractive.

By the way, I think that you're wrong. Nvidia has shown time and time again that they'll shovel shit down our throats if they think that they can get away with it.

Really? When? The NV3x line is the only time I can think of, and they obviously learned their lesson, ATi absolutely killed them and took over the market in that generation. nVidia pushed out the 8800GT under no competitive pressure at all, they released a part that performed far beyond anything close to its price point with nothing approaching a threat from team red- and it worked to cement them as the dominant parts in terms of marketshare for years.

There are several reasons why it would make little sense for nV to rush out a part that was just 'good enough' to take the performance crown. I would wager that nV wants to be in a position where their 360 series part outperforms the 5870 so they can demand a hefty premium for their 380 series offering. They know that ATi is going to counter with a x2, and they need to be in a position to respond to that. Having their top tier part barely outperform the 5870 puts them in a position where ATi can quickly bury them soundly and leave them with the halo effect for quite some time. There are also the margin issues to deal with. If they force out a spin that has issues with yields beyond the norm, they put themselves into a position where they need to remain cost competitive at the high end on a huge GPU with poor yields, bad idea. If they create a part they can charge a significant premium for and then can use 'bad' chips with disabled sectors as the next step down they can enormously increase their useable yields(even if they aren't useable as 380 parts, they could be as 360s) protecting their margins and making it a profitable situation to be in. They also have their reputation to protect. While the tech enthusiasts may look at things a bit differently, overwhelmingly in the gaming market nVidia is viewed as the top tier manufacturer, ATi a budget choice. This type of mindshare was created over many years of them remaining on top of the benchmark charts. Everyone remembers the NV30, that took nVidia years to recover from, they aren't going to be foolish and surrender that mindshare now when they are faced with a relatively low availability series of parts that has just launched.

It is looking more and more like amd's small ball strategy is superior to nvidia's "build the fastest no matter what" philosophy.

The only way that statement can be viewed as accurate is that you have seen exactly how the GT3x0 parts are going to perform, so why not share with us? What has currently been proven in differences is that ATi's strategy allowed them to ship earlier this generation, nothing more. Considering that the 5xxx series is a modified 4xxx(which dates back to the 2xxx parts) while the GT300 series chips are an entirely new core, perhaps that shouldn't be surprising.

nV may very well have totally blown this generation, but I certainly am not willing to state that with anything resembling certainty until I see some real benchmarks comparing the parts. It may well end up that ATi is vastly superior, it could end up that nV is vastly superior, more then likely it will end up somewhere in the middle of those. I will wait until I see some numbers to pass judgement.

 

[nemesismk2]

Originally posted by: videogames101
This thread serves no purpose.

I agree 100%

 

[Itchrelief]

The mystery of whatever happened to the Iraqi Information minister has finally been solved.

 

[soccerballtux]

Lol, coming from wreckage, I don't believe a bit of it.
I'm somehow supposed to believe Nvidia has something 4x as fast as their previous generation. LOL. I think Nvidia may be hurting more than we realized.

 

[ShadowOfMyself]

Originally posted by: soccerballtux
Lol, coming from wreckage, I don't believe a bit of it.
I'm somehow supposed to believe Nvidia has something 4x as fast as their previous generation. LOL. I think Nvidia may be hurting more than we realized.

Yeah really, Nvidia has a card thats 2x faster than the 5870, yet instead of leaking benchmarks, keeps spreading FUD with physman arkham asylum, etc etc

Specially Nvidia, who has rained on AMDs parade every single time when there is a launch, and now that they have such a beast of a card theyre quiet, right, makes perfect sense

In the green world of Wreckage :thumbsup:

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: ShadowOfMyself

Specially Nvidia, who has rained on AMDs parade every single time when there is a launch, and now that they have such a beast of a card theyre quiet, right, makes perfect sense

There is no parade to rain on. NVIDIA still has the fastest card, they are still strong in the mid to low markets. They still have 3dvision, Physx and CUDA which helped them gain a 2:1 sales advantage over ATI. With the 58xx series being such a soft launch (with few cards available), I doubt it's really eating into NVIDIA's sales any.

Besides ATI fans last round complained about $400 cards, so why would they rush out and buy a 5870?

NVIDIA has nothing but time right now to do ride out the successful GTX series and bring out the true next gen when the time is right.

 

[VirtualLarry]

de·lu·sion /d?'lu??n/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [di-loo-zhuhn] Show IPA
Use delusional in a Sentence
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?noun 1. an act or instance of deluding.
2. the state of being deluded.
3. a false belief or opinion: delusions of grandeur.
4. Psychiatry. a fixed false belief that is resistant to reason or confrontation with actual fact: a paranoid delusion.


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Origin:
1375?1425; late ME < L delusion- (s. of delusio), equiv. to delus(us) (ptp. of deludere; see delude ) + -ion- -ion

Related forms:

de·lu·sion·al, de·lu·sion·ar·y, adjective


Synonyms:
1. deception. See illusion.

 

[lavaheadache]

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
de·lu·sion /d?'lu??n/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [di-loo-zhuhn] Show IPA
Use delusional in a Sentence
See web results for delusional
See images of delusional
?noun 1. an act or instance of deluding.
2. the state of being deluded.
3. a false belief or opinion: delusions of grandeur.
4. Psychiatry. a fixed false belief that is resistant to reason or confrontation with actual fact: a paranoid delusion.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Origin:
1375?1425; late ME < L delusion- (s. of delusio), equiv. to delus(us) (ptp. of deludere; see delude ) + -ion- -ion

Related forms:

de·lu·sion·al, de·lu·sion·ar·y, adjective


Synonyms:
1. deception. See illusion.

I'm sure this is far beyond his comprehension aswell

 

[lavaheadache]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: ShadowOfMyself

Specially Nvidia, who has rained on AMDs parade every single time when there is a launch, and now that they have such a beast of a card theyre quiet, right, makes perfect sense

There is no parade to rain on. NVIDIA still has the fastest card, they are still strong in the mid to low markets. They still have 3dvision, Physx and CUDA which helped them gain a 2:1 sales advantage over ATI. With the 58xx series being such a soft launch (with few cards available), I doubt it's really eating into NVIDIA's sales any.

Besides ATI fans last round complained about $400 cards, so why would they rush out and buy a 5870?

NVIDIA has nothing but time right now to do ride out the successful GTX series and bring out the true next gen when the time is right.

Few cards available.... The problem is that they are selling like hotcakes. This is why they are constantly in and out of stock.

 

[v8envy]

Yes, NV is so pumped about having nothing but an obsolete DX10 power sucking sandwich (which may not be profitable to make even at $100 over a comparable competing part) that they're canceling the entire mid to high end GT200 production.

You know exactly why people are rushing out to get the 5870 (and 5850). There's absolutely nothing NV has right that's remotely feature competitive at any price level. Only an idiot or die hard fan would eat that nasty, obsolete and squealing sandwich and think they got the best.

I wonder what kind of sales advantage the Ford Pinto had over say a Ferrari 365. I'd guess much larger than 2:1. Clearly it was many orders of magnitude better car.