GTC Info: "Titan-Z" $3,000 USD

[blackened23]

Oh, I dunno, did anyone state the obvious? That the card does more than merely gaming. Sure, it can game, but the fact that it has more than twice the compute / CUDA / DP performance of the K6000 is probably a draw for CUDA developers. It also seems to be lower in price than the K6000 - It seems that this card would be roughly 60 times faster than the GTX 780ti for that purpose.

To me this seems obvious, and no, I would not consider this card for a second as a PC gamer. I also didn't consider the original Titan. I mean, looking DP/CUDA performance of the Titan at launch, it was quite obvious that it wasn't only a gamers card. It could game, sure, but it was also more than that. It was true for the original Titan and is still true for the Titan Z and Titan black. It does more than only PC gaming. That doesn't mean it's a product I want, i'd just take the 780 or 780ti and call it a day as the CUDA development aspect of the Titan cards mean nothing to me. They aren't for me. But for that segment of the market, people will buy it I am sure.

I don't know if anyone stated the obvious about the CUDA development aspect of this card and how it's a superior card to the PC gaming oriented 780ti/780 in that aspect. Kinda doubt it. Don't let that stop anyone with the "WTF 3000$ GAMING CARD" intentional obfuscation comments which are just all too expected. Carry on.


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[MrK6]

The NV fanboys don't have a monopoly on kneejerks. That honor is shared by fanboys on both sides of the vid card battle.

Or you could just be an adult and move beyond it; that's the other option this forum seems to neglect.

To me this seems obvious, and no, I would not consider this card for a second as a PC gamer. I also didn't consider the original Titan. I mean, looking at a 6GB framebuffer and full DP, it was quite obvious that it wasn't only a gamers card. It was true for the original Titan and is still true for the Titan Z and Titan black. It does more than only PC gaming. I don't know if anyone stated the obvious about the CUDA development aspect of this card and how it's a superior card to the PC gaming oriented 780ti/780 in that aspect. Kinda doubt it. Don't let that stop anyone with the "WTF 3000$ GAMING CARD" intentional obfuscation comments which are just all too expected. Carry on.

Except that they're also marketing it as a gaming card, which is why there are all those "WTF $3000 GAMING CARD" comments. Reading comprehension and all, you should work on it.

 

[blackened23]

Or you could just be an adult and move beyond it; that's the other option this forum seems to neglect.
Except that they're also marketing it as a gaming card, which is why there are all those "WTF $3000 GAMING CARD" comments. Reading comprehension and all, you should work on it.

Regarding the marketing, I never said otherwise. Perhaps nvidia finds value in marketing it this way to the CUDA developer and part time gamer. I know this. So I redirect the passive aggressive reading comprehension comment back atcha buddy. :thumbsup:

You can game on it. And it's partially marketed as a gaming card. But it does more. For CUDA development it should be nearly 60 times faster than the 780ti, and a certain segment of market will find value in that. They can get a card that does more and is simultaneously cheaper than the K6000. And that's the bottom line. Like I said don't let that stop the intentional obfuscation going on here. Have at it. I never said this card is for me and I never stated it wasn't marketed partially towards halo gaming. But you just go ahead and do what you do buddy.

 

[MrK6]

Blah blah blah

Just keep editing and re-editing those posts, I'm sure people reading this might think they have some kind of coherent message in the raving and rambling. :whiste:

 

[DooKey]

Or you could just be an adult and move beyond it; that's the other option this forum seems to neglect.

I gotcha. Adult type behavior and moving beyond it like this:

Sorry, you're new here. You said something against nvidia, it's a fanboy kneejerk reflex. Welcome to AT :thumbsup:

 

[MrK6]

I gotcha. Adult type behavior and moving beyond it like this:

This is the famous AT "there wasn't a problem until you pointed it out, now we can't ignore it, shame on you" mentality. Great work continuing to exemplify all the typical idiocy that goes on with this forum.

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[sushiwarrior]

Regarding the marketing, I never said otherwise. Perhaps nvidia finds value in marketing it this way to the CUDA developer and part time gamer. I know this. So I redirect the passive aggressive reading comprehension comment back atcha buddy. :thumbsup:

You can game on it. And it's partially marketed as a gaming card. But it does more. For CUDA development it should be nearly 60 times faster than the 780ti, and a certain segment of market will find value in that. They can get a card that does more and is simultaneously cheaper than the K6000. And that's the bottom line. Like I said don't let that stop the intentional obfuscation going on here. Have at it. I never said this card is for me and I never stated it wasn't marketed partially towards halo gaming. But you just go ahead and do what you do buddy.

What does a dev get that they couldn't get by buying 2 normal Titan Blacks? It saves a PCI-E slot, but it also is 3 slots wide... and it costs 1.5 times as much as the 2 Blacks. And no ECC memory still, so any serious professional is still going to be left wanting more.

 

[Keysplayr]

What does a dev get that they couldn't get by buying 2 normal Titan Blacks? It saves a PCI-E slot, but it also is 3 slots wide... and it costs 1.5 times as much as the 2 Blacks. And no ECC memory still, so any serious professional is still going to be left wanting more.

Well then there is Quadro or more to the point, Tesla. Which are even more pricey.

 

[sushiwarrior]

Well then there is Quadro or more to the point, Tesla. Which are even more pricey.

Still brings this back to the original point - this has more in common with the Titan Black than any Quadro/Tesla card, which still means it's a bad deal compared to the Titan Black. AKA it only makes sense for someone who only has one PCI-E slot, but 3 expansion slots, so not ITX, and not somebody who needs to cram several in one system. Which is a pretty specific requirement, and you're better off buying a different motherboard with the $1000 you save with two Titan Blacks.

Which brings it all back to my main point, the price is absolutely stupid, this is Nvidia moving further and further in their attempts to suck more money out of the high end market. If this thing was $2000, it would be a different story.

 

[DooKey]

nm

 

[blackened23]

Still brings this back to the original point - this has more in common with the Titan Black than any Quadro/Tesla card, which still means it's a bad deal compared to the Titan Black. AKA it only makes sense for someone who only has one PCI-E slot, but 3 expansion slots, so not ITX, and not somebody who needs to cram several in one system. Which is a pretty specific requirement, and you're better off buying a different motherboard with the $1000 you save with two Titan Blacks.

Which brings it all back to my main point, the price is absolutely stupid, this is Nvidia moving further and further in their attempts to suck more money out of the high end market. If this thing was $2000, it would be a different story.

Are we arguing "VALUE" in the professional and scientific market? I'm certainly not that enjoys arguing economics because this should be an obvious fact. First the obvious. This card does not make sense for a PC gamer. Sure, it works for gaming. If you want it. If you have hundred dollar bills growing in your front yard. If you want it for that, or for CUDA developers that game part time, it works for that. But the card is faster than the K6000 for CUDA development and costs less. This is the reason for the cost. Not for gaming.

And like I said, while I would never in a million years consider a Titan card for gaming - the price is due to the fact that it is significantly better than any GTX 780 or 780ti for CUDA development compute related tasks. Something like 60 times faster. For that segment of market, the card makes sense, and we can go to paragraph one to see if nvidia is selling the cards. Before asking the question, is the price stupid? Well we can just go back to market share. Or we can compare this card in relation to the K6000 for CUDA development. Is nvidia selling cards or no? What's their market share? What's nvidia's discrete GPU market share? What is nvidia's professional market share? What is their competitions market share? Is their competition market share going up or down? All of the answers to the combined questions, well there you go, that's the answer. Someone in the professional market or perhaps a part time gamer/CUDA developer is willing to pay for it. I hate arguing economics but it's quite obvious that pricepoints for anything related to the professional sector has a higher pricetag, and nvidia apparently has people buying it for just that.

No, this is not the card I want. I don't think any reasonable PC gamer would get this over a 780ti. Despite it being marketed partially for halo gaming. That's not the only thing the card does. In fact, no PC gamer should get this IMO. But it is for more than PC gaming, as all are prior Titan cards. And that is the reason for the price tag. For the professional sector that does CUDA development.

 

[Keysplayr]

Still brings this back to the original point - this has more in common with the Titan Black than any Quadro/Tesla card, which still means it's a bad deal compared to the Titan Black. AKA it only makes sense for someone who only has one PCI-E slot, but 3 expansion slots, so not ITX, and not somebody who needs to cram several in one system. Which is a pretty specific requirement, and you're better off buying a different motherboard with the $1000 you save with two Titan Blacks.

Which brings it all back to my main point, the price is absolutely stupid, this is Nvidia moving further and further in their attempts to suck more money out of the high end market. If this thing was $2000, it would be a different story.

So now 2000 is acceptable to you? Was it acceptable 2 years ago for a dual GPU card? GTX690 (I think) was the first to hit the 1000 sticker shock price (reference production card) and people went nuts. Now it doesn't seem so bad. Suddenly even sushiwarrior is saying "If the card was 2000, it wouldn't be that bad".
Make no mistake folks these are hyper-expensive GPUs. Doesn't matter if the price makes sense to you or not. It is what it is and what the market will apparently bear.
Also, the fastest single card on the planet has to have the prestige tax.

 

[DooKey]

Snip...

Which brings it all back to my main point, the price is absolutely stupid, this is Nvidia moving further and further in their attempts to suck more money out of the high end market. If this thing was $2000, it would be a different story.

Corporations are in the business of providing a service or product for money. No one is entitled to a video card for the price they would prefer. If NV can sell enough of these to make a good profit then obviously they made a good business decision.

With that said I wouldn't buy one even if it was $2000.

 

[tolis626]

Now that the Titan Z came with its 3000$ price tag, suddenly the 780ti and more so the Titan Black seem reasonably priced. We tech enthusiasts are a stupid lot...

 

[tweakboy]

Great card but not worth 3k ,,,,, The pricing should be impressive for this to sell a lot

1k titan 1 now 3k for titan 2 ,,,,, wtf ...... no good.... Ill just get a 880 GTX when its out and be happy.

gl

 

[blackened23]

Linus discussed the Titan Z on their weekly WAN show, time stamp @ 1:15.51:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ag9c3eGSD58#

 

[parvadomus]

This thing should have been 1500 at most. The DP stuff is just a pathetic excuse to overprice it imho. It does not even have ecc memory.

 

[Keysplayr]

This thing should have been 1500 at most. The DP stuff is just a pathetic excuse to overprice it imho. It does not even have ecc memory.

How would ECC memory benefit you? How is it a detriment not having it?
How is 1500 a relevant number when two Titans cost 2000?

Anyway, here:
http://www.gputechconf.com/page/live-stream-source1.html
Go to the 40 minute mark. It's where they start to discuss Titan and Titan Z.
Might answer some of your questions and will most certainly raise others.

 

[parvadomus]

How would ECC memory benefit you? How is it a detriment not having it?
How is 1500 a relevant number when two Titans cost 2000?

3000 is too much, it makes the card irrelevant when two Titans cost 2000. nvidia saved on pcb and cooling and asks for 1000 more? At least provide an extra feature.

 

[blackened23]

So you think the professional market are penny pinchers? In general, that isn't the case IMO. If the card helps them do their jobs, then the price will be higher than a normal consumer based GPU such as a GTX 780. I'll take a wild stab at the cost. This was actually mentioned in the video I posted above by Linus, it's about making more dense GK110 clusters, of course you can add more GK110 based CUDA development oriented cards to a cluster or chassis when there are two GPUs on board. If you're making a GK110 cluster based system for CUDA development, you can use a Titan black. Sure. What if you have 10 pcie slots and want 20 GK110 based cards. What then? Well, the Titan Z allows more densely packed GK110 clusters for professional use. That's what linus mentioned and it makes complete sense.

I'm going to take a wild guess that the professional market and CUDA developers aren't penny pinchers. If nvidia priced it at 3000$, then that's what the professional market will bear.

Now the card obviously isn't for me either. I'm a gamer. I'm not a CUDA developer. I would not buy this card for 2000$. Or 1500$. I would buy a GTX 780, though. That's my card, since it's oriented solely towards gaming. It isn't a hybrid professional / gaming card as the Titan cards are. Anyway, I think nvidia should be the ones worrying about the cost. If they think the scientific market or CUDA developers won't pay 3000$, but they'll pay 5000$ for a K6000 (which has less DP performance than the Titan Z). Well I dunno. Sounds fair to me for the professional market even if i'm not the target for the product.

 

[Keysplayr]

3000 is too much, it makes the card irrelevant when two Titans cost 2000. nvidia saved on pcb and cooling and asks for 1000 more? At least provide an extra feature.

Exactly why 1500 makes no sense either. But 3000 makes more sense than not ONLY because it is the dominant card in existence today. And another thing, the 3000 price tag may be a welcomed price for Researchers who really have a use for it. They can fit more GK110 cores in their workstations and paying a premium for that may be worth it to them. I should know as I worked in the research and development sector for about 5 years and believe me, not many expenses are spared.

Now for you and I, these GPUs are surely expensive, but we don't really require Titans, unless you have a specific use for it. We can get away very nicely with a 7xx series GPU and be happy with both the performance and price. So, if you're not in the market for a Titan ANYWAY, then I think the price shouldn't really matter to you. Like ECC shouldn't matter to you (I think).

 

[VulgarDisplay]

If you are doing serious research and aren't sparing any expense you would not be buying the titan z. ECC is there to correct errors, and that seems like a plus if you are doing research...

 

[Keysplayr]

If you are doing serious research and aren't sparing any expense you would not be buying the titan z. ECC is there to correct errors, and that seems like a plus if you are doing research...

Where is that a law? Serious != ECC. ECC ISN'T required for everything.
Sparing any expense? There are far more expensive quadro and Tesla cards. This product, like any other, has it's place.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

Yes for researchers who don't care that their research could contain errors because their ram didn't have ECC. Its not a law obviously, but why would someone take the chance?

The no expense part was in response to someone commenting on how much money the company worked at Spent on hardware.

 

[Jaydip]

This is retail price, we never buy them at that price.When you order in bulk you get very good discounts.For e.g we got ~ $ 1200 discount when we grabbed Quadro 6000 ( it is almost same for K6000).