Most GPUs aren't outclassed every 6 months, a die shrink comes around every 4 years and it's slowing down. And we've only seen one card on this new process (finfet).
Most GPUs aren't outclassed every 6 months, a die shrink comes around every 4 years and it's slowing down. And we've only seen one card on this new process (finfet).I would agree that it is not quite the 4k card promised and that sure it may be outclassed in 6 months.
-I'll get 2 of them, that should help with the whole 4k thing
-Most GPU's are outclassed every 6-12 months (if you always wait for the best, you'll never buy anything). My 780ti's are about eol and a cpl 1080's now will certainly play 4k decently enough. If the ti's are that much better, sell the 1080's and get ti's.
I would agree that it is not quite the 4k card promised and that sure it may be outclassed in 6 months.
-I'll get 2 of them, that should help with the whole 4k thing
-Most GPU's are outclassed every 6-12 months (if you always wait for the best, you'll never buy anything). My 780ti's are about eol and a cpl 1080's now will certainly play 4k decently enough. If the ti's are that much better, sell the 1080's and get ti's.
The problem with that argument is that with a competing card such as Vega, price competition will actually exist which means the $699 you spend today may only be worth $350 by the time you sell it used in just 6 months. I mean, we are looking at a $100 premium added to the card initially with an additional $100 added because Nvidia doesn't have any competition. If AMD releases their competing card in the "normal" $400-500 range which competes against the Ti, you will see Nvidia drop their price to that same $450-550 range with the Ti as well as cut the price on the 1080 and 1070 respectfully.
Again, there is a big "if" in there that Vega can compete, but I suspect it does. I fully believe that these current cards are a real cash grab that Nvidia is making because it can for the next 6-7 months as there is no competition.
:thumbsup: A lot of solid points. The $100 premium for FE is already going to get wiped out on resale as soon as AIB cards hit the scene. Supposedly this Gigabyte Xtreme will come in at $650. It comes with 2x8pin connectors, VR bracket/HDMI ports for VR on the board, vastly superior cooling system, 4 year warranty, free HB SLI bridge, etc.
http://videocardz.com/60954/gigabyte-launches-geforce-gtx-1080-xtreme-gaming
Even if we make the argument that it's not worth waiting for the competition to respond, buying an FE card and not waiting for AIBs was a waste of $ imo. 1080 FE = No 0 dBA operation, hotter, louder, less features, less warranty, etc. and costs more! $100 Early Adopters Tax straight up.
$760 1070 SLI is only $60 more $ than a $699 1080 FE. That makes the FE a horrendous value for 4K or 1440p 144Hz gaming even without AMD's competing Vega card. 1070 OTOH is a great card for 1440p 60Hz. 1080 on its own sits in no man's land.
$650 AIB card that are better than the FE card in nearly every way also make FE irrelevant for most gamers using conventional gaming cases. Either way, anyone who thinks this generation will play out any differently is kidding themselves. Considering so many people bought the $699 FE 1080, it's going to be a repeat of GTX980 once AMD launches Vega. AMD's 2nd tier Vega card will probably make the $700 1080 look real awful. The only way I can see 1080 retaining its resale value is if NV launches GP102 at $799-899.
As you said, since NV has no competition, they could have even priced the 1080 at $749 or even $799. 980 launches for $549 in Sept 2014 and now AMD is about to bring close to that level of performance in a $199-229 RX480 less than 2 years later. I suppose anyone who is buying a $700/700 Euro 1080 at launch doesn't care about resale value so they know what they are paying for. For Canadians, it's even worse as the FE card comes out to roughly $800 USD after taxes. Everyone is free to spend on GPUs what they like but it's still $700-800 USD for a next gen upper mid-range card within the Pascal generation stack. By definition, even without looking at AMD, that makes 1080 overpriced, just like the 680 and 980 were. The bad part is the precedent being set by gamers supporting the FE $100 premium and further buying next gen upper mid-range GP104 for $600-700. All of this is only lighting up the fire for NV to raise prices on GP102 even more. NV is smart as they have figured out they can push prices even more with each gen. If GP102 is $799, then GV104 can also be $799 since it'll provide superior perf/$$$.
First AIB I have seen, from gigabyte its the g1 at 649.99
Here is the link.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125869&ignorebbr=1
The aftermarket cooler is going to perform better than the stock cooler on the FE cards. So throttling/noise won't be an issue and it will be a great performer at 50 bucks less. Might still be the same pcb, but it will still be a great card.
That's lame to pay $50 over MSRP for probably a reference board.
Even if we make the argument that it's not worth waiting for the competition to respond, buying an FE card and not waiting for AIBs was a waste of $ imo. 1080 FE = No 0 dBA operation, hotter, louder, less features, less warranty, etc. and costs more! $100 Early Adopters Tax straight up.
when the 1080 launched, at what time on the 27th were you able to place orders? I can't find any information on this for the 1070.
I'm sure many saw this already, but just to update Newegg this morning had 100 of the Gigabyte 1080 G1s for $649.99 (so 3-fan non-FE version) which also included a free Gigabtye gaming mouse. Needless to say they went very fast. But good news to see the ice breaking on the FE wall, since this is the first non-FE I've seen at Newegg in-stock and being under $699 and with a free throw-in is a great sign to see.
I grabbed one of those. Seems to be a good card for the money (for a GTX 1080 anyhow) - factory OC, 8+2 power phases, and what looks like a pretty decent/quiet cooler. As you mentioned, they threw in a free mouse (GIGABYTE XM300) too, which was a bit unexpected.
Going to overclock it? I'm sure it'll be better than the FE as far as temps go at least. I'd imagine it should have some overclocking headroom.