GTX 1080 custom (non-Founders Edition) cards

[linkgoron]

1080 is a repeat of 980--only purpose are paper benchmarks to say it's the fastest. In practical terms, it's not going to provide a much better gaming experience where it counts. It's exactly why many 980Ti users were disappointed by it. It's another waste of $ videocard against 1070/980Ti and 1070 SLI.

The Halo card helps them raise prices again in the next generation, and it also makes the 1070 look like a better buy even at 400+$ (which indeed, it is).

If the 980ti was 650$, the 1080 (unless I missed it) at least 620$ MSRP, with 700$ FE sold out, then basically the 1080ti can easily be a 700-750 MSRP 800-850 FE edition.

While most 980ti cards beat the 1070 with OC (even reference OC 980ti in the AT review beats the 1070 OC) most reviewers are going with the nvidia-PR "beats the Titan X for less than half the price", and I expect the same reasoning with the next Titan/Ti.

 

[littleg]

I'd have to agree with RS.

I'd also add that DX12 explicit multi GPU should make things a lot easier than it is now and so a much better option than at present. Just depends on whether or not it becomes a prominent feature of DX12 games I suppose.

 

[imaheadcase]

If you are spending that much anyways, might as well get GTX 1080 in sli and be that much better.

 

[brandonmatic]

A lot of us predicted that because the 1080 FE card is such garbage that AIBs will easily be able to sell cards for $650-700 and get away with it. This is more or less what happened. Almost all the cards in the $599-640 range are crap with 8-pin connector limiting overclocking, insufficient VRM design (not enough phases), lower end coolers than the better cards. From what I've seen, only the Asus Strix has delivered a $620 1080 worth buying. Everything else falls into the gimped category I described above.

Just by slapping on a decent cooler to the reference board and charging $620 instead of $700, the value proposition of those AIB 1080s changes dramatically. A non-throttling 1080 - even if it can't OC very much - will give you the performance we've seen in the reviews so far. That's ~20-30% more than a 980ti for $70 more.

Although the 1070 definitely has much better price/perf and is the far better option for the vast majority, a non-throttling 1080 at $620 is not nearly as bad as the FE at $700.

The absurdity of the $700 FE can be seen by comparing to $760 1070 SLI.

 

[tential]

I was told AIB cards would be available shortly after the Founder's Edition release for cheaper than $699. Anyone have any links of cards to buy that are cheaper than $699 that are AIB coolers?

 

[ShintaiDK]

I was told AIB cards would be available shortly after the Founder's Edition release for cheaper than $699. Anyone have any links of cards to buy that are cheaper than $699 that are AIB coolers?

Plenty. Simply browse the retail selection.

But you can just visit the EVGA site for once. 609$ there for the cheapest.
http://www.evga.com/Products/ProductList.aspx?type=0&family=GeForce+10+Series+Family

 

[tential]

Plenty. Simply browse the retail selection.

But you can just visit the EVGA site for once. 609$ there for the cheapest.
http://www.evga.com/Products/ProductList.aspx?type=0&family=GeForce+10+Series+Family

None of those products are available. Unless you're telling me Auto-Notify = Buy.

 

[ShintaiDK]

None of those products are available. Unless you're telling me Auto-Notify = Buy.

I bought a 1080 that wasn't in stock either. Its packed and shipped today and I will have it tomorrow.

 

[brandonmatic]

Plenty. Simply browse the retail selection.

But you can just visit the EVGA site for once. 609$ there for the cheapest.
http://www.evga.com/Products/ProductList.aspx?type=0&family=GeForce+10+Series+Family

I'd be willing to bet that the EVGA blower 1080 for $609 will perform nearly identically to the $700 FE in terms of temperatures, noise, and performance. It's also arguably a better looking card than the FE, for those that care about that.

 

[MrTeal]

I'd be willing to bet that the EVGA blower 1080 for $609 will perform nearly identically to the $700 FE in terms of temperatures, noise, and performance. It's also arguably a better looking card than the FE, for those that care about that.

If it is the reference PCB, it would definitely be the card to get for a watercooler that doesn't want to wait for custom PCB blocks to be released. You don't know when it would ship of course, but saving $90 basically pays for the cost of a block.

Though I don't really get queueing up and paying extra for a FE card when generally better aftermarket cards appear to be hitting the market so soon after the FE ones. It's not even like the launch of something like a PS4 where being first gives you weeks of new experiences you couldn't have otherwise. For most people, you could just turn down a couple settings and get comparable framerates to what you would have with the 1080. Unless you really want the FE card for some reason, just hang tough and see what the custom cards bring.

 

[RoarTiger]

Any reports of non-FE cards having the same fan controller problems as the 1080 FE?

 

[nitromullet]

None of those products are available. Unless you're telling me Auto-Notify = Buy.

True, the aren't available yet, but the pricing is firm. Retailers like Newegg may price gouge low stock products, but I've never seen EVGA do this on their own retail cards through evga.com.

 

[ShintaiDK]

I'd be willing to bet that the EVGA blower 1080 for $609 will perform nearly identically to the $700 FE in terms of temperatures, noise, and performance. It's also arguably a better looking card than the FE, for those that care about that.

I asked MSI about their "Aero". They said no, the FE is much better.

 

[nitromullet]

A lot of us predicted that because the 1080 FE card is such garbage that AIBs will easily be able to sell cards for $650-700 and get away with it. This is more or less what happened. Almost all the cards in the $599-640 range are crap with 8-pin connector limiting overclocking, insufficient VRM design (not enough phases), lower end coolers than the better cards. From what I've seen, only the Asus Strix has delivered a $620 1080 worth buying. Everything else falls into the gimped category I described above.

It doesn't really look like the extra VRMs are helping the Strix a whole lot either.

http://videocardz.com/60631/asus-rog-strix-geforce-gtx-1080-offers-poor-overclocking

While the cooler is preventing the card from thermal throttling, the gpu itself appears to have a power target limit that prevents it form clocking much higher than FE cards, although it does look like the clocks are sustained better over time due to the improved cooling.

 

[badb0y]

How much faster is a GTX 1080 at 2 Ghz compared to a 980 Ti at 1.5 Ghz?

 

[f2bnp]

How much faster is a GTX 1080 at 2 Ghz compared to a 980 Ti at 1.5 Ghz?

Probably 20-25% faster?

 

[MagickMan]

How much faster is a GTX 1080 at 2 Ghz compared to a 980 Ti at 1.5 Ghz?

FSE Graphics scores:

9829 @1512MHz core, 8GHz mem

10637 @2050MHz core, 11GHz mem

http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/nvidia_geforcegtx_1080_overclocking/6.htm


That's 8.2% faster.

 

[AtenRa]

ASUS STRIX OC 4k results

http://www.computerbase.de/2016-05/...x-oc-test/3/#abschnitt_benchmarks_in_ultra_hd

 

[tential]

I bought a 1080 that wasn't in stock either. Its packed and shipped today and I will have it tomorrow.

When someone buys an aib 1080 and it's shipped then let me know.

 

[MrTeal]

ASUS STRIX OC 4k results

http://www.computerbase.de/2016-05/...x-oc-test/3/#abschnitt_benchmarks_in_ultra_hd

That's really pretty terrible. I hope it's just an issue where custom bioses will be needed to get overclocks up. As it stands, at their best OC that's 22% faster than the 980Ti Gaming, and the MSI Gaming isn't even overclocked to what it could be. Considering you can buy that card for $530 shipped AR right now, at max OC on each card paying an extra ~$150 for a single digit performance gain is going to be a tough pill to swallow for people who held off upgrading to a 980Ti and opted to wait for Pascal.

 

[alcoholbob]

That's really pretty terrible. I hope it's just an issue where custom bioses will be needed to get overclocks up. As it stands, at their best OC that's 22% faster than the 980Ti Gaming, and the MSI Gaming isn't even overclocked to what it could be. Considering you can buy that card for $530 shipped AR right now, at max OC on each card paying an extra ~$150 for a single digit performance gain is going to be a tough pill to swallow for people who held off upgrading to a 980Ti and opted to wait for Pascal.

So with a custom card they were able to achieve 2012MHz max?

Even FE cards have hit 2.1GHz. I wonder if it's going to be an ASIC/chip lottery game with these aftermarket cards to hit higher clocks?

 

[CakeMonster]

For all the talk about the Asus, is it actually better than the other 3rd party cards? I mean, they released it with a BIOS OC, but that OC is pretty tame compared to what most of us push our cards to anyway. Could it be that its no better than the other 3rd party cards, just that Asus went ahead and upped the speeds with a little less safety margin (but still plenty)?

I desperately want one and I've had two recent Asus cards, but I'm just wondering considering all the praise it gets. It doesn't seem like that big of a feat.

 

[Flapdrol1337]

So with a custom card they were able to achieve 2012MHz max?

Even FE cards have hit 2.1GHz. I wonder if it's going to be an ASIC/chip lottery game with these aftermarket cards to hit higher clocks?

They can probably hit 2100 with this card too if they force the fan to 100% and get good case ventilation.

A cooler chip is allowed more voltage and is more slightly more efficient, so further from the power target. But is the extra 3% performance worth the noise?

 

[brandonmatic]

I asked MSI about their "Aero". They said no, the FE is much better.

I'm not sure they could say anything else since they're selling the FE as well. We need to wait for the actual reviews to know for sure. Although I'll admit that the MSI Aero doesn't look quite as nice as the EVGA blower.

 

[railven]

I wonder if it's the OC software that needs to catch up?

I mean, it took a while for them to "unlock" the "Overclocker's Dream."

Either way, be interesting what custom BIOS can do also. GPU Boost 3.0 is relatively new, and I recall the teething issues with GPU Boost 1.0 and the OC community. Why I was glad I had a 7970