GTX 1080 custom (non-Founders Edition) cards

[Kenmitch]

I'm still extremely underwhelmed by the factory OC speeds that have been announced so far... No one bothers with memory (even though that should produce less heat than core), and in general everyone is extremely careful. They don't mind throwing on additional power connectors and power phases, but no significant OC that you couldn't get from the most basic design anyway.

http://videocardz.com/60496/custom-geforce-gtx-1080-roundup

Newegg had the Gigabyte G1 this AM which sold out already. Stated limited quantity of 100 in the email.

1860MHz boost in OC mode is all it had. Looks like single 8pin though.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ..._mmc=EMC-GD060816-_-index-_-Item-_-14-125-869

 

[Mopetar]

We as consumers donz only need Vega to be good, we need it now, and not just Polaris in almost a month.

Even if AMD had rushed their bigger chip, it wouldn't do consumers much good as the yields would be terrible (Most of the rumors and information about Polaris 10 we have points to GloFo having issues) and the supplies just as limited as Pascal at the moment. What good would AMD paper launching a new GPU do anyone in reality?

 

[swilli89]

Even if AMD had rushed their bigger chip, it wouldn't do consumers much good as the yields would be terrible (Most of the rumors and information about Polaris 10 we have points to GloFo having issues) and the supplies just as limited as Pascal at the moment. What good would AMD paper launching a new GPU do anyone in reality?

Can you show me any of this "information"?

 

[n0x1ous]

Can you show me any of this "information"?

Its GloFo! Nothing ever goes smooth there. We expect mistakes and missed deadlines.

I hope AMD doesn't get screwed by using them instead of TSMC

 

[RussianSensation]

Newegg had the Gigabyte G1 this AM which sold out already. Stated limited quantity of 100 in the email.

1860MHz boost in OC mode is all it had. Looks like single 8pin though.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ..._mmc=EMC-GD060816-_-index-_-Item-_-14-125-869

About a month after 1080's announcement Gigabyte managed to deliver just 100 units of G1 to Newegg US? Lol! This is 100% paper launch just to say you released a card. I actually don't expect any different from AMD given how both NV and AMD don't seem to be ready for 14/16nm. AMD decided to pre-announce the 480 almost a month before actual launch.

Imagine if Sony launched 10,000 PS4s at launch or Apple made just 10,000 iPad Pros?

 

[Kenmitch]

Its GloFo! Nothing ever goes smooth there. We expect mistakes and missed deadlines.

I hope AMD doesn't get screwed by using them instead of TSMC

So just speculation based on past performance from GloFo then. Past performance doesn't really have much to do with current or future performance of a company. Growing pains are felt by all companies for the most part.

 

[Mopetar]

Can you show me any of this "information"?

There was the information that Polaris had taped out well in advance of Pascal suggesting AMD should have been able to launch first. There was another rumor thread about a batch of Polaris chips not meeting validation (though this was possibly confirmed as false by AMD or they at least indicated it wasn't going to result in any delay from their publicly stated shipping time frame) as well as information pointing to clock speeds being lower (they obviously won't scale as much as Pascal did, but they weren't as much of a bump compared to what had been anticipated.

Obviously no one has any documents in 12 point font laying out all of this information in a nice verifiable way with sources or direct quotations from the CEO, but most of the information we have right now suggests that Global Foundries had a rougher time of getting their process working properly. It doesn't mean that AMD is doomed or Polaris is bad, just that AMD is staggering out of the gate.

 

[Qwertilot]

To be fair to GF, they did also have to transplant the process from Samsung then get it running. That really isn't a trivial exercise and hitting a few months delay in doing it would be far from a shock.

TSMC were already running of course.

 

[HannooFX]

MSI GTX 1080 Gaming X 8G has worse overclocking ability than founders edition 1080 by ~ 50MHz (2088 MHz vs 2025 MHz) with 10 phases, 8+6 pin, and up to 290W TDP compared to the founders edition card.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rHjgnBtxhM

Looks like OC will depend on the 1080 chip you will be getting a whole a lot more than custom boards, makes me wonder if nvidia hand selected the 1080 chips for the founders cards and hence the reason they are more expensive this time than AIB (which has been always the opposite way around)

 

[swilli89]

There was the information that Polaris had taped out well in advance of Pascal suggesting AMD should have been able to launch first. There was another rumor thread about a batch of Polaris chips not meeting validation (though this was possibly confirmed as false by AMD or they at least indicated it wasn't going to result in any delay from their publicly stated shipping time frame) as well as information pointing to clock speeds being lower (they obviously won't scale as much as Pascal did, but they weren't as much of a bump compared to what had been anticipated.

Obviously no one has any documents in 12 point font laying out all of this information in a nice verifiable way with sources or direct quotations from the CEO, but most of the information we have right now suggests that Global Foundries had a rougher time of getting their process working properly. It doesn't mean that AMD is doomed or Polaris is bad, just that AMD is staggering out of the gate.

Sorry but none of that means anything. AMD has stated Q2 Launch from the very beginning and they are launching in Q2 as promised.

The tape out leaks were just that, Pascal could have leaked out earlier for all we know. I can't really prove otherwise, but I'm not the one saying that GloFo didn't have any problems as a rumor either.

Polaris is on schedule, and its performance and power consumption seem to be very healthy for a ~230mm chip. I think spreading statements that GloFo is having problems with 14nm would be a bit disingenuous. They have had problems in the past, but they have had time to rectify problems in their process and in addition to that they are leaning on established technology from Samsung.

 

[Silverforce11]

MSI GTX 1080 Gaming X 8G has worse overclocking ability than founders edition 1080 by ~ 50MHz (2088 MHz vs 2025 MHz) with 10 phases, 8+6 pin, and up to 290W TDP compared to the founders edition card.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rHjgnBtxhM

Looks like OC will depend on the 1080 chip you will be getting a whole a lot more than custom boards, makes me wonder if nvidia hand selected the 1080 chips for the founders cards and hence the reason they are more expensive this time than AIB (which has been always the opposite way around)

Silicon lottery man. OC is never guaranteed as many folks like to present it as such.

The funny thing with these custom 1080 so far, many reviews I've seen their out of the box boost clocks at close to 2ghz.

They can't OC much more than that, at 2025 to 2050mhz, so these custom cards are right at their limits.

The good thing though is they maintain their high boost clocks while staying quiet. Reference 1080 has no chance of that happening. You can watch that vid from JayZ, when he OC the 1080 the fanspeed got to hair dryer levels.

I think we can conclude now that Maxwell is an amazing overclocker, while Pascal is coming out of the box close to it's limits.

 

[guskline]

I intend to water cool a EVGA GTX 1080 SC when I can snag one.

 

[nitromullet]

No info, but the cooler looks almost identical to the EK cooler on the current 980 Ti hydro copper.

My bad. I guess I was mistaken on this. It's not an EK block.

http://forums.evga.com/FindPost/2485798

 

[misuspita]

I think AMD released information about 480 earlier than they wanted to, forced by the rushed launch of the 1080/70. They didn't want to sit silent for almost 2 months, it would have been a bad move for marketing even though the psychological impact of a hard launch with no prior information of performance would have been more impressive.

So they had to rush things a bit. They knew they couldn't launch a new generations of mainstream cards without massive number of stock, else they would be teared apart by nVidia fans as a "paper launch", even though themselves are actually just doing that (nVidia). Such is the power of marketing, and they know it. But we will see this in less than a month if AMD is in stock at big retailers and nVidia not.

Still I expect spinning like "they are out of stock because they are flying off the shelves, there is huge demand"

 

[nitromullet]

I think AMD released information about 480 earlier than they wanted to, forced by the rushed launch of the 1080/70. They didn't want to sit silent for almost 2 months, it would have been a bad move for marketing even though the psychological impact of a hard launch with no prior information of performance would have been more impressive.

So they had to rush things a bit. They knew they couldn't launch a new generations of mainstream cards without massive number of stock, else they would be teared apart by nVidia fans as a "paper launch", even though themselves are actually just doing that (nVidia). Such is the power of marketing, and they know it. But we will see this in less than a month if AMD is in stock at big retailers and nVidia not.

Still I expect spinning like "they are out of stock because they are flying off the shelves, there is huge demand"

what does this have to do with GTX 1080 custom cards?

 

[sirmo]

I think AMD released information about 480 earlier than they wanted to, forced by the rushed launch of the 1080/70. They didn't want to sit silent for almost 2 months, it would have been a bad move for marketing even though the psychological impact of a hard launch with no prior information of performance would have been more impressive.

So they had to rush things a bit. They knew they couldn't launch a new generations of mainstream cards without massive number of stock, else they would be teared apart by nVidia fans as a "paper launch", even though themselves are actually just doing that (nVidia). Such is the power of marketing, and they know it. But we will see this in less than a month if AMD is in stock at big retailers and nVidia not.

Still I expect spinning like "they are out of stock because they are flying off the shelves, there is huge demand"

They both looked pretty rushed. Nvidia didn't have specs for 1070 for instance.

Keep in mind AMD is launching two GPUs for Nvidia's one. Polaris 11 for Apple and OEM notebooks, Polaris 10 for rx480 and whatever other card we'll see based on it. But I guess Nvidia also has the GP100.

 

[misuspita]

what does this have to do with GTX 1080 custom cards?

well it doesn't. I forgot to quote RussianSensation, it was actually an answer to his reply

About a month after 1080's announcement Gigabyte managed to deliver just 100 units of G1 to Newegg US? Lol! This is 100% paper launch just to say you released a card. I actually don't expect any different from AMD given how both NV and AMD don't seem to be ready for 14/16nm. AMD decided to pre-announce the 480 almost a month before actual launch.

Imagine if Sony launched 10,000 PS4s at launch or Apple made just 10,000 iPad Pros?

 

[Aristotelian]

My bad. I guess I was mistaken on this. It's not an EK block.

http://forums.evga.com/FindPost/2485798

I have heard (but can't confirm where I heard it) that it's a Heatkiller waterblock EVGA has gone with, but the Watercool rep in the sub-forum here (cases and cooling) was not able to confirm what I heard. I'm guessing it'll be a big reveal with the announce of the Hydro Copper.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

What a joke, $720 for the MSI Gaming X 1080

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127943

JayzTwoCents couldn't even get his sample above 2025 MHz

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rHjgnBtxhM

 

[SteveGrabowski]

So is the binned MSI Gaming Z going to be $750 when the unbinned card is $720? What's the Lightning going to sell for then?

 

[garagisti]

So is the binned MSI Gaming Z going to be $750 when the unbinned card is $720? What's the Lightning going to sell for then?

Imagine pricing on 1080ti First born and a left nut is possibly a given.

Although, for those thinking of building a new system, this deal by cyberpowerpc is a good idea. Comes with a i7 6800k x99, 16gb ddr4 system with a gtx1080 for about !500 +- whatever you want to customise.
https://www.dealsofamerica.com/Cybe...o-SE-Gaming-Desktop-wIntel-Core-i7/347735.htm

 

[Aikouka]

I'm doing EVGA's Step Up on my 980 Ti, because... well, why not. Although, I can't really make up my mind on which model. I'd like to grab a Hybrid model (the AIO-cooled one), but I don't think they'll ever make that available through their Step Up program. So, if I wanted to buy EVGA's AIO cooler, I'd need to make sure that I buy a blower-cooled card. However, I see no indication that EVGA is definitely going to sell the AIO cooler separately like they did with the 980, 980 Ti and Titan X.

So, I'm kind of in this pickle. Do I go with the blower variant and hope that I can buy the AIO cooler, or do I go with the ACX variant and know that I'll have better cooling. I mean... I could always water cool the latter, but I really do not want to get into water cooling again. It's just way too much hassle, and it would be pure hell in my smaller case. The most I could do would be one of those semi-AIO units that companies like EKWB sell, but that's $200 + $120-150 for a block. :\

What a joke, $720 for the MSI Gaming X 1080

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127943

JayzTwoCents couldn't even get his sample above 2025 MHz

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rHjgnBtxhM

Is that MSI's MSRP or is that Newegg's usual jack-it-up-while-it's-hot price?

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Is that MSI's MSRP or is that Newegg's usual jack-it-up-while-it's-hot price?

They're selling the EVGA SC card for the same $650 EVGA does on their store.

 

[nitromullet]

I'm doing EVGA's Step Up on my 980 Ti, because... well, why not. Although, I can't really make up my mind on which model. I'd like to grab a Hybrid model (the AIO-cooled one), but I don't think they'll ever make that available through their Step Up program. So, if I wanted to buy EVGA's AIO cooler, I'd need to make sure that I buy a blower-cooled card. However, I see no indication that EVGA is definitely going to sell the AIO cooler separately like they did with the 980, 980 Ti and Titan X.

So, I'm kind of in this pickle. Do I go with the blower variant and hope that I can buy the AIO cooler, or do I go with the ACX variant and know that I'll have better cooling. I mean... I could always water cool the latter, but I really do not want to get into water cooling again. It's just way too much hassle, and it would be pure hell in my smaller case. The most I could do would be one of those semi-AIO units that companies like EKWB sell, but that's $200 + $120-150 for a block. :\

Jacob at EVGA has said they are working on a hybrid cooler for the FE card.

http://forums.evga.com/FindPost/2488947

Personally, if I was stepping up I would go with the ACX 3.0 card. Between the ACX 3.0 card and FE + hybrid cooling you would be looking at a ~$190 price difference (assuming the hybrid cooler is priced the same as the one for the 980 Ti).

If you haven't seen this yet, it might help you make up your mind as to whether or not the price difference is worth it to you.

Gamers Nexus - Building a GTX 1080 Hybrid Pt 3: Performance Results:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-3fi1ovAP0

 

[Timmah!]

MSI GTX 1080 Gaming X 8G has worse overclocking ability than founders edition 1080 by ~ 50MHz (2088 MHz vs 2025 MHz) with 10 phases, 8+6 pin, and up to 290W TDP compared to the founders edition card.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rHjgnBtxhM

Looks like OC will depend on the 1080 chip you will be getting a whole a lot more than custom boards, makes me wonder if nvidia hand selected the 1080 chips for the founders cards and hence the reason they are more expensive this time than AIB (which has been always the opposite way around)

I wanted to go with Evga Hybrid (or maybe even 2), but since it seems too far away at this point, i may alternatively go with MSI Seahawk (or 2). That one has only single 8-pin, but since it seems more power plugs have no effect on OC potential whatsoever and all the cards max out in the 2 - 2,1GHz range regardless of the how many power plugs or power phases they have...

Not to mention i am not even sure if my PSU has 4 8-pins (in case i went with 2 cards). Its Seasonic S12-D 750W, anyone has any clue? Too lazy to open the case to look