Do you have a source that shows the bill of materials is higher? That's just a claim right now.
Do you have a source that shows the bill of materials is higher? That's just a claim right now.
I was talking about the "higher price" BOM of the reference cooler I thought that's what you meant. I'm still trying to figure out what the $100 extra is for that reference cooler.
Where is there any proof that the $100 extra performs any better than any other blower cooler the AIBs are making?
It's not that I don't think the founders edition is worth it. I do. If you want the card first pay a premium if Nvidia wants you to.Ahh ok, no there is no BOM list for the FE cards but NVIDIA said they are using premium components :sneaky:
While Videocardz has been linked, I haven't seen this posted, although I might have missed it.
It's just nice to see all of the PCBs together. Wish they would've added a reference board for comparison, although the Inno3d is closer to the original.
Look at all them custom GTX 1080s. No EVGA Hybrid That's the card I really want to see.
I hope it's at min matches the FTW. I'd go ga-ga if it matches the Classified. Haha.
Prices also seem to be very reassuring. Founder's card is just going to be as I said - a niche product. So it's price will stay inflated but anyone outside of needing it's specific use will just ignore it.
So long as there are still $599-619 cards by mid-August, "founders edition" cards should only impact those that simply cannot wait and do not mind paying the extra.
Well, they've moved along. And shifted their argument to the 1070's MSRP.I'm extremely pleasantly surprised by custom card MSRPs - many are in line with a $20-50 mark-up over the 599 price. Of course retail prices are a different story, but that should just be a matter of time.
All the nay-sayers with their predictions of $700+ custom card MSRP seem to have been silenced.
I really think that the founders edition was Nvidia's way of selling direct to consumers without directly competing with AIB custom cards, while at the same time allowing AIB's to benefit from the artificial price hike. It's bad for consumers and was botched in every wrong way by Nvidia when announced, but it is what it is. So long as there are still $599-619 cards by mid-August, "founders edition" cards should only impact those that simply cannot wait and do not mind paying the extra.
I'm extremely pleasantly surprised by custom card MSRPs - many are in line with a $20-50 mark-up over the 599 price. Of course retail prices are a different story, but that should just be a matter of time.
All the nay-sayers with their predictions of $700+ custom card MSRP seem to have been silenced.
Yea and the same would happen with gtx 1070 likely.I'm extremely pleasantly surprised by custom card MSRPs - many are in line with a $20-50 mark-up over the 599 price. Of course retail prices are a different story, but that should just be a matter of time.
All the nay-sayers with their predictions of $700+ custom card MSRP seem to have been silenced.
I'm extremely pleasantly surprised by custom card MSRPs - many are in line with a $20-50 mark-up over the 599 price. Of course retail prices are a different story, but that should just be a matter of time.
All the nay-sayers with their predictions of $700+ custom card MSRP seem to have been silenced.
A lot of us predicted that because the 1080 FE card is such garbage that AIBs will easily be able to sell cards for $650-700 and get away with it. This is more or less what happened. Almost all the cards in the $599-640 range are crap with 8-pin connector limiting overclocking, insufficient VRM design (not enough phases), lower end coolers than the better cards. From what I've seen, only the Asus Strix has delivered a $620 1080 worth buying. Everything else falls into the gimped category I described above. In any event, all of this is mostly pointless now since AIB 1070 practically made 1080 irrelevant after today's reviews. A $699 FE card looks like a complete waste of $ since it's only 22% faster than a $379 1080 at 1440p, but the key point is 1070 OC can hit 60 fps average @ 1440p in nearly every AAA game in the first place...
The extra performance on the 1080 is pointless for now at the key target resolution these cards are aimed at. Once the performance isn't enough, we'll have Big Pascal in 2017 and Volta GV104 in 2018. In practical terms, 1070 vs. 1080 is the exact repeat of 670 vs. 680 and 970 vs. 980 where the faster card was only faster on paper and in % performance charts. Real world gaming experience is what matters.
Except it's not. It cannot run reliably over 60fps in 4k, and with both nVidia and AMD launching some bigger dies at year's end, it's not economically sound to buy something now if you need foolproof 4k GPU. That one might be GP102 or Vega. So no, 1080 is not a good buy now imho... And for 4k no, at no price if you desire 60fpsThe performance is definitely worth it to go with the 1080 if you have above 1440p (1440 21:9) or VR/4K displays
The performance is definitely worth it to go with the 1080 if you have above 1440p (1440 21:9) or VR/4K displays. 20% is 20%....the 980ti was already a little underpowered in single form and the 1080 helps bridge that.
Agree though, for many cases that the 1070 will get the job done fine. OCing the 1080 also seems to help more with higher resolutions vs 1070.
It's surprising how close they ended up being. I think a REALLY good 1070 model will be the price/performance sweet spot for anyone above 1080p until P10.
$700 for a 300mm2 die is a sad joke. Should be $200-300 cheaper.
That's why for 4K gaming 1070 SLI is still better. A single 1080 is a pointless videocard. Overkill for 1080p 60Hz, pointless for 1440p 60Hz, not fast enough for 1440p 144-165Hz or 4K 60 FPS average..... It's another waste of $ videocard against 1070/980Ti and 1070 SLI.