GTX 1080 Overclocking

[railven]

It has nothing to do with supporting company A over company B. If someone knowingly buys a bad product...

Stop injecting AMD vs Nvidia rhetoric into a debate about the merits of a particular card setup.

The hell? How is it a bad product? I have a spare water cooler ready to go to deal with the ref cooler.

This doesn't even have to do with supporting NV. It's a product I want to buy and I've figured out how to overcome it's throttling issue at zero cost to me. But posters like him who have a hard on for AMD make things personal.

 

[Taylor18]

Did people really forget what we got for 100$? Look at ASUS MATRIX or EVGA KINGPIN, those are premium PCB's that warrant an additional 100$. 14 PHASES, TWO 8PINs PCI-Express connectors, TWO. Even LN2 mode or memory defrosting. Why can't people who want to buy FE editions just admit they are too impatient not to overpay 100$ for an inferior product? You are not that stupid to not realize that, are you? Blowers are vastly inferior to everything, really. I hope RS elucidated clearly enough why. It really amazes me how people can't wait a few weeks to save a few hundred and buy a decent product but they can't spend that amount of money on water-cooling. Hardware enthusiasts don't use crappy blowers. Being rich and buying crap doesn't mean you are an overclocker.

Most of the gamers that are lining up for FE cards only play games in stretches of 5-10 mins. A great card for them.

Being rich and buying crap doesn't make sense to me. More often than not it is the uneducated or the imbeciles that are in love with a certain company that are buying this crap.

 

[railven]

Most of the gamers that are lining up for FE cards only play games in stretches of 5-10 mins. A great card for them.

Being rich and buying crap doesn't make sense to me. More often than not it is the uneducated or the imbeciles that are in love with a certain company that are buying this crap.

It's not suppose to

Back to the malarkey.

 

[Taylor18]

It's not suppose to

Back to the malarkey.

What's not suppose to?

 

[SimianR]

The hell? How is it a bad product? I have a spare water cooler ready to go to deal with the ref cooler.

This doesn't even have to do with supporting NV. It's a product I want to buy and I've figured out how to overcome it's throttling issue at zero cost to me. But posters like him who have a hard on for AMD make things personal.

That's fine that you want to buy it, but I think most people are just calling it like they see it, which is that it's a mediocre cooler and is priced at a premium. Basically it's completely backwards. These reference cards should be going for MSRP and the aftermarket cards should be priced higher.

 

[railven]

That's fine that you want to buy it, but I think most people are just calling it like they see it, which is that it's a mediocre cooler and is priced at a premium. Basically it's completely backwards. These reference cards should be going for MSRP and the aftermarket cards should be priced higher.

Completely justified, I have the same opinion. You know what I'm not doing? Call buyers imbecile or feigning interest to belittle buyers.

You can criticize a product, but when it crosses a certain threshold where you are now criticizing the buyers - you've gone a little too far.

I'm not even defending NV, I'm defending myself. Since I put an NV in my sig I've been called a abuse survivor, financially inept, and now you can tack imbecile to it. The list just keeps growing.

Nothing like coming to an enthusiast forum to talk about gadgets/toys and getting insulted because you have the means to buy an overpriced trinket.

 

[Taylor18]

Completely justified, I have the same opinion. You know what I'm not doing? Call buyers imbecile or feigning interest to belittle buyers.

You can criticize a product, but when it crosses a certain threshold where you are now criticizing the buyers - you've gone a little too far.

I'm not even defending NV, I'm defending myself. Since I put an NV in my sig I've been called a abuse survivor, financially inept, and now you can tack imbecile to it. The list just keeps growing.

Nothing like coming to an enthusiast forum to talk about gadgets/toys and getting insulted because you have the means to buy an overpriced trinket.

I have more than the means to buy as many cards as I want too. I won't waste my money on this crap. If I really wanted one of these cards I would exercise patience and pay for the better card, which might be cheaper. The imbecile part is for people that are in love with a certain company. I thought you bought AMD before...no? Don't be so sensitive, it's only my opinion, you can buy whatever you want.

 

[atticus14]

The hell? How is it a bad product? I have a spare water cooler ready to go to deal with the ref cooler.

and that's the problem you seem to entirely overlook with this card. It's already a 100 premium and you are basically throwing away the "premium" shroud/blower to make up for their deficiencies. When partner cards will probably crush this immediately, especially if they can deliver more power and the cards can use it and they may even do it substantially cheaper. The FE will be a bad card if its quickly passed up by its cheaper brethren.

This is like people willingly paying more for a 290x with reference blower, but nvidia can get away with charging a 100 premium for it I don't think anyone defended that card, (the mantra was once again, "wait for partner cards!", but yet here we are, when the color is green, it's okay.

 

[flopper]

Most of the gamers that are lining up for FE cards only play games in stretches of 5-10 mins. A great card for them.

Being rich and buying crap doesn't make sense to me. More often than not it is the uneducated or the imbeciles that are in love with a certain company that are buying this crap.

isnt free will wonderful?

 

[nurturedhate]

Completely justified, I have the same opinion. You know what I'm not doing? Call buyers imbecile or feigning interest to belittle buyers.

You can criticize a product, but when it crosses a certain threshold where you are now criticizing the buyers - you've gone a little too far.

I'm not even defending NV, I'm defending myself. Since I put an NV in my sig I've been called a abuse survivor, financially inept, and now you can tack imbecile to it. The list just keeps growing.

Nothing like coming to an enthusiast forum to talk about gadgets/toys and getting insulted because you have the means to buy an overpriced trinket.

I just do not understand the desire to buy THIS 1080 outside of the desire to have it as soon as possible. There should by all means be an announcement on when AIB cards will be available shortly. I, again my opinion, would rather wait an extra week to see when AIB cards are coming and if they are not for couple months then consider the FE 1080. Even with your AIO the board itself is still terribly lacking and frankly seems like a waste under water compared to a halfway competent AIB solution. The logic just does not add up, to each their own though and I hope you enjoy the card.

 

[coercitiv]

I just do not understand the desire to buy THIS 1080 outside of the desire to have it as soon as possible.

You don't have to understand, just have to respect other people's decisions. It's their money, their fun. This is a toy, not a tool to improve people's lives.

On a side note, and not related to nurturedhate, I'd rather interact with people who cannot help themselves buying expensive "bad" products than people who cannot help calling others imbeciles. Bad products are not nearly as toxic.

 

[3DVagabond]

You don't have to understand, just have to respect other people's decisions. It's their money, their fun. This is a toy, not a tool to improve people's lives.

On a side note, and not related to nurturedhate, I'd rather interact with people who cannot help themselves buying expensive "bad" products than people who cannot help calling others imbeciles. Bad products are not nearly as toxic.

If people buy it knowing what they are getting, that's one thing. And that is up to them. But if people buy it thinking they are paying for a premium cooling solution, when they are getting an inadequate one, or because they think they are going to get a card that offers exceptional O/C'ing, when it doesn't, that's not fair to them.

That's why people are suggesting to skip the "Founder's Edition" cards. There will be aftermarket cards that will have far better coolers that can handle a lot more power. We are talking a card who's thermal solution allows for thermal throttling on a card that's <200W and it's being marketed as a reason to spend an extra $100 on the card by falsely claiming it's some kind of super premium piece of kit.

I do take issue with people who know this still defending it. Even getting indignant and claiming some kind of personal infringement over it. Ridiculous!

Now, another separate issue is nVidia setting the MSRP of cards that they aren't making or marketing themselves at a lower price. How does that work? They're going to charge $700 for a card and then say the aftermarket cards have an MSRP of $600? I'm not sure that's even legal, never mind ethical.

What we are going to end up with are stripped down cards being sold to people again thinking they are getting a premium design when it's really a budget design. They'll be made to a price point that is $100 less than nVidia is already marketing their less than optimum design.

We're being peddled snake oil.

 

[Bacon1]

The hell? How is it a bad product? I have a spare water cooler ready to go to deal with the ref cooler.

You just answered your own question.

Its listed as a premium cooler yet its a garbage cooler.

1080 might be a good chip, but the FE is a cheap board, cheap cooler and massive "premium" price attached.

 

[Taylor18]

isnt free will wonderful?

You bet it is.

 

[Taylor18]

You don't have to understand, just have to respect other people's decisions. It's their money, their fun. This is a toy, not a tool to improve people's lives.

On a side note, and not related to nurturedhate, I'd rather interact with people who cannot help themselves buying expensive "bad" products than people who cannot help calling others imbeciles. Bad products are not nearly as toxic.

I get the feeling this was partly directed at me.

Why would I have to respect someone's poor decision to buy "bad" products? I mean, if enough people are willing to buy an inferior product, why would they sell something better for cheaper? If these FE cards sell like hotcakes, I would expect custom cards to be more money? Their poor choices can affect other buyer's purchasing decisions, but we are supposed to respect it because you say so?

I also stand by my statement that if your purchasing decisions are based on your love for a company.... you are a imbecile. Has anyone on this forum admitted to this??? I eagerly await, if not, then no one on here was called an imbecile. So lighten up.

You don't have to understand where I'm coming from, you just have to respect my opinion.... LOL


insulting other members is not allowed
Markfw900

 

[Keysplayr]

You just answered your own question.

Its listed as a premium cooler yet its a garbage cooler.

1080 might be a good chip, but the FE is a cheap board, cheap cooler and massive "premium" price attached.

Is there anything you think is good about the 1080?

 

[coercitiv]

I get the feeling this was partly directed at me.

Yes.

Their poor choices can affect other buyer's purchasing decisions, but we are supposed to respect it because you say so?

I have no power to dictate anything to you. But your poor behavior does affect the quality of this thread. Are you calling people imbeciles in the supermarket as well?

You don't have to understand where I'm coming from, you just have to respect my opinion.... LOL

No I don't. If someone buys that card despite what's being said both in reviews and on this forum, that's their problem, and many of us would openly criticize any advice given in that direction. But when you come online and start calling that person an imbecile, it's this community's problem.

This forum is not about you, and evidently not about me either, so I'll end my OT on this thread here.

 

[showb1z]

You just answered your own question.

Its listed as a premium cooler yet its a garbage cooler.

1080 might be a good chip, but the FE is a cheap board, cheap cooler and massive "premium" price attached.

Is there anything you think is good about the 1080?

Huh?

Don't think I've seen anyone disagree about GP104 being a nice chip. The launch has been a joke though.
Having a good chip isn't enough. Hawaii is a great chip, but we know how that turned out.

 

[coercitiv]

Don't think I've seen anyone disagree about GP104 being a nice chip.

It's a very nice chip and I look forward to see how high it can go in more appropriate setups from AIBs.

 

[Aristotelian]

Is there anything you think is good about the 1080?

Hi Keys, good to see you posting more actively again. I do think that the 1080's chip is good, but that the Founder's Edition cooling + power delivery limit the overclocking options, therefore tempering the way I think the 1080 (max AIB OC cards) will blow away the 980Ti (max AIB OC cards).

So it is good, but I think posters like myself don't like the price hike attached with what is essentially a reference edition card. No problem in Nvidia trying to make more money that way - don't get me wrong, I get business.

I just wish focus group members like you would be able to tell us when Ti/Titan were coming because - really - the subset of video card purchasers that are in the market for those cards must be exceedingly small in the overall scheme of things. And I'd love to get my hands on a true Pascal flagship by the end of this year.

 

[flopper]

for 450$ the 1080 be a great buy.

 

[AtenRa]

Is there anything you think is good about the 1080?

At the current FE price ?? no

 

[DeathReborn]

Is there anything you think is good about the 1080?

Since I don't think anyone has really answered your question...

8GB GDDR5X is a good thing about the 1080 in my book.

 

[C@mM!]

Is there anything you think is good about the 1080?

Preemption is huge IMO. Its no async, but its almost nullified the penalty from async schedulers, and is a huge boon in synchronous scheduling as well.

Still doesn't mean I don't think the architecture isn't a reactionary stopgap, that AMD has outplayed Nvidia with its push of DX12\Vulkan (and an architecture that supports it better), and that Nvidia is gouging us for whats at the end of the day a midend part (high end if you use AMD\Nvidia nomenclature with Enthusiast above it), that was clocked like crazy (Netburst anyone), to cover deficiencies in the architecture.

 

[nurturedhate]

You don't have to understand, just have to respect other people's decisions. It's their money, their fun. This is a toy, not a tool to improve people's lives.

You don't have to understand where I'm coming from, you just have to respect my opinion.... LOL

No I don't.

Done.

Is there anything you think is good about the 1080?

A lot actually. I think GP104 is a great gpu. Even more so considering the historical models do not exactly apply to it like 580 to 680. Prior to GM200 to GP104 we had large gpus with DP support being outclassed by smaller gpus on a new process. GM200 changed this with a massive pure gaming gpu. Of course the end result should have been less than normal. It should have been expected. GP104 did incredibly well in this regard. What failed was the marketing of this card. It was the touting of the "premium" and "craftmanship" and the $100 price hike over the listed MSRP for what amounted to a rather lackluster product overall.

The issue is that we have seen basically this before with the 290 series. People rightfully slammed that release. It was hot, it throttled, it was loud. The difference here is that the "loud" isn't quite as annoying but in its place Nvidia wants $100 over MSRP. The issue is that we have people (not everyone, I understand people like new and shiny toys) defending this card tooth and nail because it is Nvidia. That should not be advocated for in any situation with any company in any market. We've had both companies experiment with raising prices on cards and it has worked. What we have here is the first salvo of trying to see if they can also lower build quality while again raising prices, slapping marketing terms on it and waiting to see how much it sells. It is in no way a good path for consumers to go down. If we are truly the more educated segment of the market we enjoy then we need to have conversations about this as it will shape the hobby we all say we love in the decades to come. In the end it is very simple - do not settle for mediocrity.