GTX 260 for $330 AR

[lopri]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16814133229

PNY..

 

[allies]

Still needs to drop $30 to reach competitiveness... this was bound to happen though.

 

[AmberClad]

$330, no rebate, would be far more appealing. And let's do away with the obnoxious UMAP, "let's make potential customers click on a button to see the price" thing, please. Seriously. Getting old.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Originally posted by: AmberClad
$330, no rebate, would be far more appealing. And let's do away with the obnoxious UMAP, "let's make potential customers click on a button to see the price" thing, please. Seriously. Getting old.

I agree with you on the rebate, rebate definitely kill this, but I don't get what you have against the hidden price...IIRC its some sort of legal loophole that without it, we wouldn't have the reduced price...newegg makes it incredibly easy to see the price anyways, so it isn't like they really make you jump through any hoops other than clicking on the link (some sites require you to log in to an account and then add it to a cart...), but if you'd rather pay more...

 

[ronnn]

legal loophole that only nvidia cards seem to need. I think it will go away soon.

 

[lookouthere]

he is not talking about the hidden price. he is talking about Nvidia controlling how the card should be price, hence UMAP.

 

[blackangst1]

I think the bandwidth difference between this and the $30-$40 cheaper ATI makes it pretty attractive. I still cant decide, but 448 bit is VERY /drool

 

[Cookie Monster]

Its a pretty sweet deal, since GTX260s OC up to ~700/~1400/~2200 (core/shader/mem). This results in GTX280 performance for alot less $$$.

 

[Extelleron]

Originally posted by: blackangst1
I think the bandwidth difference between this and the $30-$40 cheaper ATI makes it pretty attractive. I still cant decide, but 448 bit is VERY /drool

You mean the bandwidth difference in favor of the HD 4870?

HD 4870 = 115.2 GB/s
GTX 260 = 112.0 GB/s

 

[taltamir]

and the HD 4870 achives it by using the faster GDDR5 standard that also reduces the ram power consumption and heat.
The only thing the GTX 260 has going for it is physX, and a lower idle power.

 

[hans007]

i wouldnt really say the rebate kills it.

PNY rebates come REALLY fast. most reports for cards are under 3 weeks. I know the last 2-3 pny cards i bought (all 8600 or 9600 cards though) came in 3 weeks or less from the day i mailed it.


i mean if this was an xfx or foxconn rebate i'd probably not do it. but pny rebates are pretty much the fastest for graphics cards. i wouldnt worry too much about evga either.


the crazy thing is that the pny GTX 280 is like $620 after $50 rebate.


you could almost get 2 GTX 260s for that price, which would be a much much much better deal.

 

[AmberClad]

Originally posted by: lookouthere
he is not talking about the hidden price. he is talking about Nvidia controlling how the card should be price, hence UMAP.

Both actually. NV is the only one in this market that seems to need to resort to it. So I'm annoyed at the reasons for it, and also the inconvenience it causes for me personally. I mean, at this very moment, if I hop on over to NewEgg's video card section, I see a bunch of NV cards, all with a "See price in cart" button, with a unhelpful and useless crossed out MSRP price above it. It's just a lot easier to compare the ATI card offerings at a glance - look at the prices/rebates/shipping cost, see if it the card comes with a bundled offer.

Also - I'm not a "he" .

 

[RallyMaster]

High prices are high. I've now officially stopped supporting NV with their high power requirements and what seems to be overcharging for a product.

 

[LightningRider]

Same here, I've been supporting nVidia for a while now but they need to learn their lesson so I bought an ATi HD4870..

 

[mhouck]

Originally posted by: ronnn
legal loophole that only nvidia cards seem to need. I think it will go away soon.

Actually if you go to the LCD section you will see many TV's with the same situation. Now in video cards nvidia does seem to be the only one doing it but it's not Nvidia is the only company on newegg doing it.

 

[chizow]

People here must never shop at Amazon. These hidden prices have been around for as long as Al Gore invented the Intarweb, sure its slightly annoying but I'm willing to deal with it if it means saving significant amounts of money.

Just one correction on the comparisons between the 4870 and GTX 260, yes bandwidth is similar because of the GDDR5 but the GTX 260 has 896MB of VRAM which may or may not help at higher resolutions or with AA. Based on some of the 4870 reviews at those settings I'd say its not a huge deal in current games.

 

[WelshBloke]

Originally posted by: chizow
People here must never shop at Amazon. These hidden prices have been around for as long as Al Gore invented the Intarweb, sure its slightly annoying but I'm willing to deal with it if it means saving significant amounts of money.

Just one correction on the comparisons between the 4870 and GTX 260, yes bandwidth is similar because of the GDDR5 but the GTX 260 has 896MB of VRAM which may or may not help at higher resolutions or with AA. Based on some of the 4870 reviews at those settings I'd say its not a huge deal in current games.

:laugh: so pretty irrelevant then

 

[chizow]

Originally posted by: WelshBloke

:laugh: so pretty irrelevant then

Possibly, but you'd have to have someone specifically testing and looking for differences. Some tools, like Rivatuner's ability to monitor virtual memory usage, can't be used in Vista so its hard to gauge if there's benefit or not. With older parts, like the 320MB GTS there was clear performance degradation due to lack of VRAM compared to the 640MB version, but comparing 512 to 896 might not be so obvious. It might be less twitching or stuttering, better minimum FPS, stuff like that which can be easy to miss or highly subjective. Based purely on FPS I'd say its not something to worry about, but I wouldn't say its irrelevant. If a 1GB variant of the 4870 comes out direct comparisons can be drawn which should help clarify whether > 512MB is worthwhile or not.

 

[sourthings]

Still not worth it. Not even worth it at $300. 4870 is $300 and is a better card, 260 is worth $275 at best. Get a 4870

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: chizow

Originally posted by: WelshBloke

:laugh: so pretty irrelevant then

Possibly, but you'd have to have someone specifically testing and looking for differences. Some tools, like Rivatuner's ability to monitor virtual memory usage, can't be used in Vista so its hard to gauge if there's benefit or not. With older parts, like the 320MB GTS there was clear performance degradation due to lack of VRAM compared to the 640MB version, but comparing 512 to 896 might not be so obvious. It might be less twitching or stuttering, better minimum FPS, stuff like that which can be easy to miss or highly subjective. Based purely on FPS I'd say its not something to worry about, but I wouldn't say its irrelevant. If a 1GB variant of the 4870 comes out direct comparisons can be drawn which should help clarify whether > 512MB is worthwhile or not.

That's purely theoretical speculation. My prediction is the 1GB 4870 will offer no more than 10% improvement on average over the 512MB version, and the main reason is that Ati cards don't suffer as much as Nv cards when there's not enough VRAM. Either way, based on benches at 1920x1200 with AA/AF, the 512MB 4870 is still faster than the 896MB gtx260, so you're basically paying more for a slower card.

 

[OCGuy]

If that was without a MIR I would have a 2nd one on the way.....


It sucks that they have to do this because of the pricing controls....those need to go. Now.



Looking at this logically, if PNY can afford to let some of them go at that price and still make a profit, what are they paying for each one from NV? Maybe NV could actually make the card(s) more competitive pricewise, but they are choosing not to. With all the bad press they are getting, why wouldnt they just lower the cards to that price themselves?

On the other hand, if PNY is taking a wash or a loss at that price, are they just counting on a large % of people not sending in the rebate, or sending in the rebate wrong and getting it denied?

 

[hans007]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
If that was without a MIR I would have a 2nd one on the way.....


It sucks that they have to do this because of the pricing controls....those need to go. Now.



Looking at this logically, if PNY can afford to let some of them go at that price and still make a profit, what are they paying for each one from NV? Maybe NV could actually make the card(s) more competitive pricewise, but they are choosing not to. With all the bad press they are getting, why wouldnt they just lower the cards to that price themselves?

On the other hand, if PNY is taking a wash or a loss at that price, are they just counting on a large % of people not sending in the rebate, or sending in the rebate wrong and getting it denied?

PNY is like really good about rebates and sends them back in like 2-3 weeks usually. so i'm assuming they just hope some people are lazy and dont send it in.


additionally you figure as an nvidia partner, nvidia probably requires them to sell a certainamount of each part of the lineup to get parts for other parts of the lineup so they might just sell them at cost because they have to. who knows.

 

[AzN]

http://www.fudzilla.com/index....view&id=8252&Itemid=34

Nvidia to drop 280 / 260 prices

$90 and $30

As of tomorrow, Nvidia plans drop the prices of Geforce GTX 280 and 260. The reason for this sudden price cut is that the cards are not selling as well as Nvidia expected. The second part of the story is that Radeon HD 4870 ended up better than Nvidia had hoped.


Nvidia will cut $90 of the Geforce GTX 280 price-tag, but this is Nvidia's price to partners and we are not sure just how much will this affect the suggested etail price. We are sure that end user prices will also drop but probably a bit less than $90.

The Geforce GTX 260 will be $30 cheaper to partners and Nvidia will only offer limited price protection which means that some partners / distributors and stores might end up with some overpriced cards at their warehouses.

Many people won?t be happy but as of tomorrow GTX 280 and GTX 260 should be cheaper.

 

[Denithor]

Originally posted by: AmberClad

Originally posted by: lookouthere
he is not talking about the hidden price. he is talking about Nvidia controlling how the card should be price, hence UMAP.

Both actually. NV is the only one in this market that seems to need to resort to it. So I'm annoyed at the reasons for it, and also the inconvenience it causes for me personally. I mean, at this very moment, if I hop on over to NewEgg's video card section, I see a bunch of NV cards, all with a "See price in cart" button, with a unhelpful and useless crossed out MSRP price above it. It's just a lot easier to compare the ATI card offerings at a glance - look at the prices/rebates/shipping cost, see if it the card comes with a bundled offer.

Also - I'm not a "he" .

And it's funny how this only seems to apply to their high-end cards. Take a look at the 8800GS or other lower-end cards and they all have the price displayed like normal.

 

[n7]

See price in cart is utterly retarded BS...

Canadian pricing.
BFG GTX 280 @ NCIX $540
http://www.ncix.com/products/i...hnologies&promoid=1088

BFG GTX 280 OC @ NCIX $530 AR
http://www.ncix.com/products/i...hnologies&promoid=1088

I was pretty much all set on a 1 GB 4870 if they ever come out, but if these GTX 280s get to around $500, it's going to make the decision a bit harder.