GTX 285 Early Details

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: SteelSix

Originally posted by: jaredpace

Originally posted by: SteelSix

Asus Rampage II Extreme
i920 @ 3.7
6GB Corsair @ 1563, 8-8-8-24
260 216 tri @ 675,1463, 2259

Do you still have a 4870X2 / X3 system? How does the new comp compare?

I sold them off, wanted to see how tri-sli did with x58. I wish I could have kept them to compare on the new rig though. I can't knock what I had, it was fast. The main drawback was the heat output. It literally was enough to heat my 10x10 gaming room.

Pretty sure the difference between 3X 260 SLI and 2X - X2 is minor as far as heat output. Sure, the X2's might may generate another 10-15% total system (don't confuse this with the 25% difference between 3x 260 and 2 x - x2, because that isn't accurate when adding in all other compenents to the system, the precentage drops fast) heat when taking into consideration all of your other equipment that you had...

So... I mean, were talking probably 700 watts with the x2 system, and probably 600 or so with the try sli. Both are not small numbers, that I am surprised heat output would matter to you.

 

[ArchAngel777]

Pretty sure this new nVidia sandwich is going to retail of
$599.99 and the 55nm 280 will run 399.99. I'll take bets...

 

[Hauk]

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777

Originally posted by: SteelSix

Originally posted by: jaredpace

Originally posted by: SteelSix

Asus Rampage II Extreme
i920 @ 3.7
6GB Corsair @ 1563, 8-8-8-24
260 216 tri @ 675,1463, 2259

Do you still have a 4870X2 / X3 system? How does the new comp compare?

I sold them off, wanted to see how tri-sli did with x58. I wish I could have kept them to compare on the new rig though. I can't knock what I had, it was fast. The main drawback was the heat output. It literally was enough to heat my 10x10 gaming room.

Pretty sure the difference between 3X 260 SLI and 2X - X2 is minor as far as heat output. Sure, the X2's might may generate another 10-15% total system (don't confuse this with the 25% difference between 3x 260 and 2 x - x2, because that isn't accurate when adding in all other compenents to the system, the precentage drops fast) heat when taking into consideration all of your other equipment that you had...

So... I mean, were talking probably 700 watts with the x2 system, and probably 600 or so with the try sli. Both are not small numbers, that I am surprised heat output would matter to you.

Textbook vs. real world are two different animals. Unless you've held a hand to the exaust ports of both graphic rigs during idle and load, and later realized a distinct room temperature difference after a couple hours of gaming, I suggest more real world experience with the hardware with which you banter.

I'm not knocking the 48xx series, I've owned six 4850's a 4870X2, and 1 4870 1GB. All of them performed, but all were heaters. You put a load on 48xx and it will burn fingers and heat small spaces..

 

[Tempered81]

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
Pretty sure this new nVidia sandwich is going to retail of
$599.99 and the 55nm 280 will run 399.99. I'll take bets...

sounds about right

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: jaredpace

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
Pretty sure this new nVidia sandwich is going to retail of
$599.99 and the 55nm 280 will run 399.99. I'll take bets...

sounds about right

That would make sense for launch prices given their place in the hierarchy if all pans out as rumored.

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: SteelSix

Textbook vs. real world are two different animals. Unless you've held a hand to the exaust ports of both graphic rigs during idle and load, and later realized a distinct room temperature difference after a couple hours of gaming, I suggest more real world experience with the hardware with which you banter.

I'm not knocking the 48xx series, I've owned six 4850's a 4870X2, and 1 4870 1GB. All of them performed, but all were heaters. You put a load on 48xx and it will burn fingers and heat small spaces..

Another person that doesn't have a clue about heat output versus temperature of a given item. You may be able to touch the heatsink on a GTX260 without burning your hands, but the fact is it dumps MORE heat into your room, house, etc... than a 4850. Yes, the 4850 will burn your hands but that doesn't mean it produces more heat thank a 260 GTX. Go read up on the difference between heat output and heat dissipation.

Now that I have read more closely, your box wouldn't dump any more heat than the tri SLI you have going. I thought you have TWO 4870's X2, but you only had one, plus a regular 4870 and a 4870X2, and a 4870 which are extremely close in heat output to the Tril 260's you have going. The ATI box would have produced roughly 3-5% more heat than than the nVidia box.

You can hide behind textbook versus real world non sense all you want, that doesn't change the facts nor does it even apply in this situation. You understand that heat has to go somewhere, right? It doesn't magically dissapear in the 'real world'.

 

[palladium]

Sigh, GTX280 is going to be an EOL product soon. I just ordered one ( no step ups in New Zealand, 4870X2 seems to be out of stock throughout NZ as well). Oh well, at least it'll run Red Alert 3 maxed at 19*12.

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: palladium
Sigh, GTX280 is going to be an EOL product soon. I just ordered one ( no step ups in New Zealand, 4870X2 seems to be out of stock throughout NZ as well). Oh well, at least it'll run Red Alert 3 maxed at 19*12.

I don't think you will be unhappy. The 55nm refresh will be nice, but not enough to give anyone buyers remorse, IMO. Unless.... it debuts at a ridiculous price of... 199.99 I kid... It won't.

 

[badnewcastle]

I hope this all comes out before my step up is over! (Jan 29)

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: SteelSix
All of them performed, but all were heaters. You put a load on 48xx and it will burn fingers and heat small spaces..

How hot are those 3x260s then?

Judging by this review, the 260 would be as good a space heater (at load) as the the 4870 and so your room would be heated more by your tri-SLI than with the 4870x2 since the power dissipated is all put into your room as heat.

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: thilan29

Originally posted by: SteelSix
All of them performed, but all were heaters. You put a load on 48xx and it will burn fingers and heat small spaces..

How hot are those 3x260s then?

The temperature of the card is a function of how good the cooler is relative to the heat output. Judging by this review, the 260 would be as good a space heater (at load) as the the 4870 and so your room would be heated more by your tri-SLI than with the 4870x2 since the power dissipated is all put into your room as heat.

Thanks for the link. The last screenshot on that page (graph) is a good example to explain how a card can be hotter, yet consume less power than another card. What does this tell us about the 4870 1GB under load? It tells us that ATI has opted to go for less noise, thus less heat dissipation. Of course, other factors such as larger fan, less RPM would increase heat dissipation at the same time reducing noise. Three factors to consider:

1) Heat Output (Wattage)
2) Heat Transfer (Heat Sink)
3) Heat Dissipation (Water, Air, etc...)

All three of those need to be understood properly, IMO.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777

Originally posted by: SteelSix

Textbook vs. real world are two different animals. Unless you've held a hand to the exaust ports of both graphic rigs during idle and load, and later realized a distinct room temperature difference after a couple hours of gaming, I suggest more real world experience with the hardware with which you banter.

I'm not knocking the 48xx series, I've owned six 4850's a 4870X2, and 1 4870 1GB. All of them performed, but all were heaters. You put a load on 48xx and it will burn fingers and heat small spaces..

Another person that doesn't have a clue about heat output versus temperature of a given item. You may be able to touch the heatsink on a GTX260 without burning your hands, but the fact is it dumps MORE heat into your room, house, etc... than a 4850. Yes, the 4850 will burn your hands but that doesn't mean it produces more heat thank a 260 GTX. Go read up on the difference between heat output and heat dissipation.

Now that I have read more closely, your box wouldn't dump any more heat than the tri SLI you have going. I thought you have TWO 4870's X2, but you only had one, plus a regular 4870 and a 4870X2, and a 4870 which are extremely close in heat output to the Tril 260's you have going. The ATI box would have produced roughly 3-5% more heat than than the nVidia box.

You can hide behind textbook versus real world non sense all you want, that doesn't change the facts nor does it even apply in this situation. You understand that heat has to go somewhere, right? It doesn't magically dissapear in the 'real world'.

He has owned them all, yet doesn't have a clue? Ok. You read on while SteelSix actually experiences these things. I don't think I have to tell you whose opinion I take more seriously. They guy who reads about the stuff, or the guy who owns and uses it.

 

[Hauk]

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777

Originally posted by: SteelSix

Textbook vs. real world are two different animals. Unless you've held a hand to the exaust ports of both graphic rigs during idle and load, and later realized a distinct room temperature difference after a couple hours of gaming, I suggest more real world experience with the hardware with which you banter.

I'm not knocking the 48xx series, I've owned six 4850's a 4870X2, and 1 4870 1GB. All of them performed, but all were heaters. You put a load on 48xx and it will burn fingers and heat small spaces..

Another person that doesn't have a clue about heat output versus temperature of a given item. You may be able to touch the heatsink on a GTX260 without burning your hands, but the fact is it dumps MORE heat into your room, house, etc... than a 4850. Yes, the 4850 will burn your hands but that doesn't mean it produces more heat thank a 260 GTX. Go read up on the difference between heat output and heat dissipation.

Now that I have read more closely, your box wouldn't dump any more heat than the tri SLI you have going. I thought you have TWO 4870's X2, but you only had one, plus a regular 4870 and a 4870X2, and a 4870 which are extremely close in heat output to the Tril 260's you have going. The ATI box would have produced roughly 3-5% more heat than than the nVidia box.

You can hide behind textbook versus real world non sense all you want, that doesn't change the facts nor does it even apply in this situation. You understand that heat has to go somewhere, right? It doesn't magically dissapear in the 'real world'.

Okay, now you're just being angry. I don't claim to be an expert, but I do have a pretty good understanding of the principles. Let me take this high road I see, and just say I appreciate your comments.

Sorry OP for the trainwreck. Back on topic...

 

[Kraeoss]

*writes santa a letter*

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777

Originally posted by: SteelSix

Textbook vs. real world are two different animals. Unless you've held a hand to the exaust ports of both graphic rigs during idle and load, and later realized a distinct room temperature difference after a couple hours of gaming, I suggest more real world experience with the hardware with which you banter.

I'm not knocking the 48xx series, I've owned six 4850's a 4870X2, and 1 4870 1GB. All of them performed, but all were heaters. You put a load on 48xx and it will burn fingers and heat small spaces..

Another person that doesn't have a clue about heat output versus temperature of a given item. You may be able to touch the heatsink on a GTX260 without burning your hands, but the fact is it dumps MORE heat into your room, house, etc... than a 4850. Yes, the 4850 will burn your hands but that doesn't mean it produces more heat thank a 260 GTX. Go read up on the difference between heat output and heat dissipation.

Now that I have read more closely, your box wouldn't dump any more heat than the tri SLI you have going. I thought you have TWO 4870's X2, but you only had one, plus a regular 4870 and a 4870X2, and a 4870 which are extremely close in heat output to the Tril 260's you have going. The ATI box would have produced roughly 3-5% more heat than than the nVidia box.

You can hide behind textbook versus real world non sense all you want, that doesn't change the facts nor does it even apply in this situation. You understand that heat has to go somewhere, right? It doesn't magically dissapear in the 'real world'.

He has owned them all, yet doesn't have a clue? Ok. You read on while SteelSix actually experiences these things. I don't think I have to tell you whose opinion I take more seriously. They guy who reads about the stuff, or the guy who owns and uses it.

:roll:

Where does the heat go Keys?

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: SteelSix

Okay, now you're just being angry. I don't claim to be an expert, but I do have a pretty good understanding of the principles. Let me take this high road I see, and just say I appreciate your comments.

Sorry OP for the trainwreck. Back on topic...

Angry? Not angry about anything. So if that is your reason for dropping out, you need to come back. What happens to the heat?

 

[Hauk]

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777

Originally posted by: SteelSix

Okay, now you're just being angry. I don't claim to be an expert, but I do have a pretty good understanding of the principles. Let me take this high road I see, and just say I appreciate your comments.

Sorry OP for the trainwreck. Back on topic...

Angry? Not angry about anything. So if that is your reason for dropping out, you need to come back. What happens to the heat?

Okay not angry, how about thread crappingly argumentative? It's a great topic for a different post. I'll just say this.. if I put two rigs with otherwise equal specs in a sealed 3'x3' container and equip each with competitive 48xx and GT200 cards, ambient temps inside the 48xx container will be higher in both idle and load conditions.

 

[chizow]

Originally posted by: thilan29

Originally posted by: SteelSix
All of them performed, but all were heaters. You put a load on 48xx and it will burn fingers and heat small spaces..

How hot are those 3x260s then?

Judging by this review, the 260 would be as good a space heater (at load) as the the 4870 and so your room would be heated more by your tri-SLI than with the 4870x2 since the power dissipated is all put into your room as heat.

Also looks like the Tri-SLI would be much cooler at idle as its power draw is significantly lower. This might lead to cooler ambients and overall lower temps as SteelSix indicated, as most rigs will be idle more than it will be loaded. I guess you can look at Tri-SLI like a sprinter and CF like a marathon runner.

 

[bamacre]

Is it safe to assume we won't see any new high-end cards until January?

 

[Hauk]

More pics..

 

[Tary88]

Originally posted by: SteelSix

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777

Originally posted by: SteelSix

Okay, now you're just being angry. I don't claim to be an expert, but I do have a pretty good understanding of the principles. Let me take this high road I see, and just say I appreciate your comments.

Sorry OP for the trainwreck. Back on topic...

Angry? Not angry about anything. So if that is your reason for dropping out, you need to come back. What happens to the heat?

Okay not angry, how about thread crappingly argumentative? It's a great topic for a different post. I'll just say this.. if I put two rigs with otherwise equal specs in a sealed 3'x3' container and equip each with competitive 48xx and GT200 cards, ambient temps inside the 48xx container will be higher in both idle and load conditions.

hmmm no

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
He has owned them all, yet doesn't have a clue? Ok. You read on while SteelSix actually experiences these things. I don't think I have to tell you whose opinion I take more seriously. They guy who reads about the stuff, or the guy who owns and uses it.

There are thermodynamics laws that can't be changed by opinion or what someone "feels". The power dissipated by a video card is dumped into the case/room/whatever as heat. So regardless of what the temperature (which is determined by how good the cooler is) of say the 260 is at load vs say the 4870 1GB, it is putting more or the same amount of heat into the case/room/whatever it's in.

Originally posted by: SteelSix
Okay not angry, how about thread crappingly argumentative? It's a great topic for a different post. I'll just say this.. if I put two rigs with otherwise equal specs in a sealed 3'x3' container and equip each with competitive 48xx and GT200 cards, ambient temps inside the 48xx container will be higher in both idle and load conditions.

Maybe at idle but not at load...read that link I posted from Techgage...the 260-216 consumes more power than the 4870 1GB at load and I'll repeat ALL the power dissipated by the card is converted to heat (it doesn't do any mechanical work) which is dumped into whatever space you have the card in. Unless thermodynamics laws have changed in the last couple of years (which I doubt ) that is a fact.

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: SteelSix

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777

Originally posted by: SteelSix

Okay, now you're just being angry. I don't claim to be an expert, but I do have a pretty good understanding of the principles. Let me take this high road I see, and just say I appreciate your comments.

Sorry OP for the trainwreck. Back on topic...

Angry? Not angry about anything. So if that is your reason for dropping out, you need to come back. What happens to the heat?

Okay not angry, how about thread crappingly argumentative? It's a great topic for a different post. I'll just say this.. if I put two rigs with otherwise equal specs in a sealed 3'x3' container and equip each with competitive 48xx and GT200 cards, ambient temps inside the 48xx container will be higher in both idle and load conditions.

Just remember, you were the one who 'set' the tone. My first comment on heat was just a comment in passing and you turned it into a negative tone to talk down to me. It seems only logical that I would treat you in the same manner that you treated me. But then you cry foul that I am angry or trying to be arguementative. The information is here for anyone to read. And in addition to all of that, you still don't understood these concepts as is proof by your 3x3 statement.

Now to address your 3x3 scenario above - If we are using the data in the graph that Thilan posted, then we know that under idle conditions, the ATI box would have higher temperatures as the idle power draw is greater with the ATI cards. Under load conditions this changes, the nVidia box would have the higher temperature due to is drawing more power than the ATI card. It is *all* related to power draw. A 60 watt light bulb will always produce more heat than a 40 watt light bulb. As silly as this sounds, but if you were to put a heatsink and fan on the 60 watt light bulb, this wouldn't change the fact that it still produces the same amount of heat (60 watts).

But even more so, what I really wanted to drive home in my initial post is that the two are very close in power draw, which means, your Tri Crossfire, and Tri Sli have very close power draw and therefore, they would both affect your temperature very similarly.

Now I am very willing to be civil, but again, you set the tone with your first reply to me. You set the tone. Anyone who goes back to read it will see that you initially set the negative tone. Go read what you wrote to me - Notice that you talked down to me while at the same time demonstrating that you didn't understand the difference between a heatsink temperature and the amount of heat something generates.

 

[BFG10K]

The power reduction is impressive, but I'm still glad I didn't wait any longer and instead picked up a GTX260+.

My next consideration will be 40 nm parts from both vendors.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: BFG10K
The power reduction is impressive, but I'm still glad I didn't wait any longer and instead picked up a GTX260+.

My next consideration will be 40 nm parts from both vendors.

The GTX 260 is nice, especially at a bit more than 200. I'm waiting for a card with that kind of power, but only needing one 6pin power connector. My Dell can only handle so much.