Rage will not be a hard hit on graphics, it's primarily being designed console first and carried over to PC. Looking at what we saw of it at E3, a 5850 would be able to max it out at your resolution.
Crysis 2 is the mystery. I've been looking around for some actual PC gameplay footage and can't find any. All I turn up are PC screenshots and console gameplay videos. We do know they are going DX11 for Crysis 2. Crysis came out in 2007 and we finally were able to play the game on maximum settings with 4X-8XAA at 1920x1200 in September of last year with the release of the 5870 cards.
Going on screenshots and Crytek's track record, I don't think anything will be able to run C2 at it's max settings with full AA at a high res when it's released. We'll probably have to wait another two years for hardware that can manage it
I think you can be confident that a 460/470/480 or 5850/5870 will be able to deliver playable framerates and decent visuals with a little AA at your resolution though.
Crysis 2 is the mystery. I've been looking around for some actual PC gameplay footage and can't find any. All I turn up are PC screenshots and console gameplay videos. We do know they are going DX11 for Crysis 2. Crysis came out in 2007 and we finally were able to play the game on maximum settings with 4X-8XAA at 1920x1200 in September of last year with the release of the 5870 cards.
Actually most, if not all the game play, you've seen for Crysis 2 has been on PC. All the E3 videos were on PC even though they said it was on console; they were just using a xbox 360 controller. In one particularly long video preview/interview on IGN, Cevat Yerli was touting all the great console features while playing the game, and then it crashed to the Windows desktop. The video was removed after about a day, but it was still on youtube for awhile.
Yeah, that gives me a lot of confidence. It ran pretty smoothly at e3, which suggests that the current hardware is good enough to run it. Unless they have an nvidia or ati prototype of their next gen.
I am saying that at $230 GTX460 is a good card given the current pricing structure. But if you bought a 4890/GTX275 for $200 12 months ago, or 5850 for $300 9 months ago, then GTX460 is lackluster. In fairness to GTX460, the whole generation has been pretty underwhelming due to lack of competitiveness by NV. Where do you think 5870's pricing would be by now if Fermi was released in October of 2009? Surely not at $390 9 months later. There was a reason ATI priced 5850 at $259 at launch -- they expected NV to have something competitive.
You realize they could have been using a tri-480 SLI setup with a 4.4 ghz i7, right? There's current gen, and then there's ridiculous application of current gen.
Yes, I suppose thats possible, but I would doubt that is the kind of PC set that they would want to lug around.
Going back 9 to 12 months or so ago was a really good time for vid cards price/performance wise, if you compare current pricing to other time periods, then pricing is pretty normal.
Actually most, if not all the game play, you've seen for Crysis 2 has been on PC. All the E3 videos were on PC even though they said it was on console; they were just using a xbox 360 controller. In one particularly long video preview/interview on IGN, Cevat Yerli was touting all the great console features while playing the game, and then it crashed to the Windows desktop. The video was removed after about a day, but it was still on youtube for awhile.
3D gaming is marketing whether it comes from NV or ATI. Are you going to buy $150 3D glasses? Are you going to throw out your 24-37 inch LCD monitor and get a brand new 120hz monitor right now? If you are going to spend nearly $700 upgrading for 3D gaming, are you really concerned with GTX460 1GB?
You need a display port adapter only if you want to use 3 LCDs with 1 ATI card. Similarly, if you want 3 LCDs, you'd need to buy 2 NV graphics cards. Both expensive setups.
I have other ways to contribute to the world besides turning on my PC overnight, let alone how much I can contribute by this mean. However, if you are EVGA user, then there is a reason, because those EVGA dollars can be used towards your next EVGA purchase. To me, it makes money, then yeah. Otherwise, I don't care.What does this have to do with Distributed Computer projects? NV's non-professional graphics cards can't compete in double precision DC work. They lack the double precision power (other than Tesla) to keep up. Hopefully with the next generation they will improve.
I don't like the "what if" game, but if you like it, i will play along. If Fermi was released in Oct 1800, then we will have a completely different computing environment. Unfortunately, it wasn't there before.I am saying that at $230 GTX460 is a good card given the current pricing structure. But if you bought a 4890/GTX275 for $200 12 months ago, or 5850 for $300 9 months ago, then GTX460 is lackluster. In fairness to GTX460, the whole generation has been pretty underwhelming due to lack of competitiveness by NV. Where do you think 5870's pricing would be by now if Fermi was released in October of 2009? Surely not at $390 9 months later. There was a reason ATI priced 5850 at $259 at launch -- they expected NV to have something competitive.
You think a videocard generation remaining at prices above its 9 months MSRP is normal? :hmm: There is nothing normal about this generation.
Time of no competition: GTX280 $649, GTX260 $399 :thumbsdown:
Time of competition: 4870 $299, 4850 $199
Time of no competition: 5970 $700, 5870 $400, 5850 $300 :thumbsdown:
Time of competition: GTX460 $200, GTX470 $280.
About 1 year after 4870's release, you could pick up a 4890 for $180 (so faster performance for $120 less). ATI's current pricing is not normal. Based on previous history, ATI would have had a refresh, or prices on current tech would have fallen about $80-100 from $379 MSRP of 5870. But none of that has happened. Therefore, every card above GTX470 $280 is overpriced.
If it wasn't for 28nm issues at TSMC, next generation of HD6000 cards would be ready for Oct/Nov of 2010. Now it may be that ATI will be unable to release HD6000 until next year: http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/..._ATI_s_Southern_Islands_to_Show_Up_in_Q4.html
This means the current graphics card market is probably going to remain unchanged for the next 5-6 months unless ATI has something up its sleeve.
Wow that's just awesome, some obscure 1 to 1 conversation with you and another person? What does that say about 3d vision being anywhere close to being mainstream? You sure you don't like playing "what if games"? Does not compute.What if I have a 120hz LCD to begin with?
I need help with 3D
Go all the way until a point where I realize that I really can't go 3D without replacing either the video card or LCD? Nor I can go 3 LCD without buying adepter?
Wow that's just awesome, some obscure 1 to 1 conversation with you and another person? What does that say about 3d vision being anywhere close to being mainstream? You sure you don't like playing "what if games"? Does not compute.
Seriously. Instead of some utterly useless anecdotal crap show me some convincing proof that a seizable number of people care. The burden falls unto you since you are the one who started that whole "oh I don't get it, no one wants cards with no 3dvision support" spin.
- See PM. -Admin DrPizzaWhile that number might sound big, it's tiny in comparison to the total number of TVs sold each month in the US and, according to our friend Ross Rubin, executive director of industry analysis at NPD, sales are expected to remain small throughout 2010.
While that number might sound big, it's tiny in comparison to the total number of TVs sold each month in the US and, according to our friend Ross Rubin, executive director of industry analysis at NPD, sales are expected to remain small throughout 2010.
...and?
Do you actually read what you quote? Plus last time I checked, most people pair their computers up with monitors if it's not the HTPC use.
Reminds me of 6800GT SM3.0 and HDR. By the time SM3.0 and HDR features appeared in next generation of games, 6800GT/Ultra were ancient history, incapable of producing 30 fps. Tessellation is a forward looking feature that is more suitable for GTX470/480 SLI setups and next generation graphics cards which will run on next generation gaming engines. It's extremely important imo. However, the current gen standalone cards don't have the power to run it the way it was meant to be in games (think Univen quality).
You don't know anything about 3D doesn't mean the norm does not. You don't care does not mean others doesn't. Where were you when that OP needed help?Wow that's just awesome, some obscure 1 to 1 conversation with you and another person? What does that say about 3d vision being anywhere close to being mainstream? You sure you don't like playing "what if games"? Does not compute.
Seriously. Instead of some utterly useless anecdotal crap show me some convincing proof that a seizable number of people care. The burden falls unto you since you are the one who started that whole "oh I don't get it, no one wants cards with no 3dvision support" spin.
I don't know 3d what? If it is 3d vision, I have tried it at the local Fry's, read enough about it to learn I did not like it enough. Where did I say abosolutely not a single person cares? I said it is not mainstream, which you strangely seem to feel defensive about.You don't know anything about 3D doesn't mean the norm does not. You don't care does not mean others doesn't. Where were you when that OP needed help?
I feel no need to prove anything. I never asked you what it takes to have 3d vision on with an ATi GPU. Nor have I said a thing about how eyefinity is better or worse about requirements. You are totally barking up the wrong tree here. All I said is you make it sound like having a 120hz monitor is a very common occurrence these days, to which I strongly disagreed and demanded some better proof than what you posted. Your dear ally wreckage have rushed to rescue, but sadly all he got out of it was a self-ownage (or self-wreckage?)The fact is, ATI doesn't support 3D. To use 3D on ATI hardware, people must buy hardwares from 3rd party vendor, which by itself is proprietary. To use multi-display (eyefinity), people need to buy DP adepter. PROOF ME WRONG IF YOU CAN.
There is no "what if" in my post.
I know you are not stupid. Maybe you are just having trouble remembering what you had typed, so I did you a favor by highlighting them for youWhat if I have a 120hz LCD to begin with?
I need help with 3D
Show me where I have used anecdotes to overgeneralize some rampant assumptions? You, otoh have linked some random thread with just two participants, as if that is enough to show that having a 120hz LCD is a norm.Otherwise, save your utterly useless anecdotal crap and show me some convincing proof that a seizable number of people care.
You don't know anything about 3D doesn't mean the norm does not. You don't care does not mean others doesn't. Where were you when that OP needed help?
There is no "what if" in my post. The fact is, ATI doesn't support 3D. To use 3D on ATI hardware, people must buy hardwares from 3rd party vendor, which by itself is proprietary. To use multi-display (eyefinity), people need to buy DP adepter. PROOF ME WRONG IF YOU CAN.
Otherwise, save your utterly useless anecdotal crap and show me some convincing proof that a seizable number of people care.