That's what they market has determined for the price - if they weren't selling well, trust me, the price would be lowered. This is the downside to having a great series of products with little competition: you have to pay for it.Its kind of a shame that the 5870s and 5850s are still overpriced right now. They need a good $100 knocked off of both of them.
I think we were all spoiled by the $200 and $300 cost of the 4850 and 4870s back in the day.
That's what they market has determined for the price - if they weren't selling well, trust me, the price would be lowered. This is the downside to having a great series of products with little competition: you have to pay for it.
That's generally the trend, but then again people were hopeful and confident the 5xxx series would drop in price and well, ten months later look where we are .Im going to be hopeful and Im confident they will drop in price. Just have got to be patient....
That's generally the trend, but then again people were hopeful and confident the 5xxx series would drop in price and well, ten months later look where we are .
they're not 8800gtx level value, but they do seem to have help up remarkably well.
8800gtx was going for msrp a year and a half after release b/c it was still the unquestioned top dog. 5850/70 are going for over the original msrp 10 mos later but look due to finally drop down in price.
I am not being defensive, but you are being offensive. You want to say 3d isn't the norm, which I don't disagree, but there exist people who like it, and then there are some who wants to experience it. And no, putting the 3d glasses on in a local store for a few minutes really isn't experiencing anything.I don't know 3d what? If it is 3d vision, I have tried it at the local Fry's, read enough about it to learn I did not like it enough. Where did I say abosolutely not a single person cares? I said it is not mainstream, which you strangely seem to feel defensive about.
What proof do you want? Do you want a proof that Nvidia has a piece of hardware called 3d vision that allows users to play games in 3d? Or do you want a proof that ATI don't have such technology? Are you looking for a proof that people are buying 120hz LCDs/TVs? Or are you looking for a proof that people need a new DP adepter to use eyefinity? Please be specific.I feel no need to prove anything. I never asked you what it takes to have 3d vision on with an ATi GPU. Nor have I said a thing about how eyefinity is better or worse about requirements. You are totally barking up the wrong tree here. All I said is you make it sound like having a 120hz monitor is a very common occurrence these days, to which I strongly disagreed and demanded some better proof than what you posted. Your dear ally wreckage have rushed to rescue, but sadly all he got out of it was a self-ownage (or self-wreckage?)
This sentence is nothing but trolling. I linked a post from a person who brought a 120hz but are now stuck. It is not a conceptual case, but a practical one.I know you are not stupid. Maybe you are just having trouble remembering what you had typed, so I did you a favor by highlighting them for you
Any of your posts.Show me where I have used anecdotes to overgeneralize some rampant assumptions?
I don't know how did you come to a conclusion that I say "120hz LCD is a norm." I did pointed out, which provided a link as a proof, that there exist people who have 120hz LCDs. And yes, one person had a problem and there is only one person who spent the time to research and help. That is me, not you. Thank you.You, otoh have linked some random thread with just two participants, as if that is enough to show that having a 120hz LCD is a norm.
Fair enough, I don't disagree that people who might like it exist. If anything, I too was excited to see how it turns out and wished the associated costs were more realistically affordable.I am not being defensive, but you are being offensive. You want to say 3d isn't the norm, which I don't disagree, but there exist people who like it, and then there are some who wants to experience it.
I said it is enough for me to know that I don't care for it much. Since I am not one of those fortunate ones that just "happen to" have a 120hz, it is a serious investment I would need to make if I decide to get it. I have given a demo several tries, and none of those sessions were convincingly good to prompt any action on my part. Would it get better with better games with more adept implementation? Possibly. Would I sell my limbs to rush out to get it with blind faith? No chance in hell. Notice that I didn't say 3d vision is hoax or anything, I said I didn't like it enough.And no, putting the 3d glasses on in a local store for a few minutes really isn't experiencing anything.
I see you enjoy beating around the bush, but I rest the case since you seemed to have agreed having a 120hz ready is only a "what if" scenario, not a norm for a significant number of potential GPU consumers.What proof do you want? Do you want a proof that Nvidia has a piece of hardware called 3d vision that allows users to play games in 3d? Or do you want a proof that ATI don't have such technology? Are you looking for a proof that people are buying 120hz LCDs/TVs? Or are you looking for a proof that people need a new DP adepter to use eyefinity? Please be specific.
Sensitive much? You present your case with an isolated, weak example heraled by a "what if" clause, then you go on to say you don't like playing what-if games. Something didn't jive right, I was pointing that out.This sentence is nothing but trolling. I linked a post from a person who brought a 120hz but are now stuck. It is not a conceptual case, but a practical one.
I may have misintepreted some of your intentions. But never have I used a single anecdote to rationalize a theory in any of my posts in this thread.Any of your posts.
If you truly did not mean to use that example to claim having 120hz display isn't too unusual in a casual setting, then indeed I was assuming things there, my applogies. You made it a bit too suggestive by quoting RussianSensation's post about prohibitive cost of ownership turning 3d vision insgnificant in the real world, immediately followed by your little story of helping another dude. Looked like you were using that as a counter to the quoted text.I don't know how did you come to a conclusion that I say "120hz LCD is a norm." I did pointed out, which provided a link as a proof, that there exist people who have 120hz LCDs. And yes, one person had a problem and there is only one person who spent the time to research and help. That is me, not you. Thank you.
Posts are trollish if only you percieve them that way. I don't see any trolling in my posts, but you see some in your own. Good.As you see, my replies to your questions are just like troll post too, but I don't know another way to reply. I hope there are Mods who will handle such posts.
Again, totally irrelevant. I am not sure what made you want to throw this in there, I never asked your opinion or discussed any of this. Oh btw, yes 460 looks great. That's the card I will be recommending to my gamer friends for the time being.I never say ATI is bad, or Nvidia is better, all I said is 460 is a good product and IMO ATI will need to react by price readjustments or new products.
So the GTX 460 is definitely the card to get for the hardcore green GF of mine.
I might wait though, if the GTX 470 keeps coming down I might get that - however, the idea of SLing two GTX 460s is nipping at my heels. Haha.
However, if you are EVGA user, then there is a reason, because those EVGA dollars can be used towards your next EVGA purchase. To me, it makes money, then yeah. Otherwise, I don't care.
Evga Folding@EvgaSorry on a serious note what are eVGA dollars? I have purchased an EVGA 8800GTS and have never heard of eVGA dollars? Or do you have to purchase the graphics card directly from eVGA.com to qualify?
Quick question, what kind of power supply would be the minimum required to run a pair of overlocked 460s?
I have the Corsair 650 and it's fine with my i7 920 (mildly OC'd) and 4870x2 (stock), how appreciable is the bump to 460s?
The AT review seems to put them fairly close...
So you want to go from a 4870x2 to dual GTX460? Thats more like a side grade IMO, as the 4870x2 trades blows with a GTX480.
I guess if you get good overclocks from them it might make sense, but if one card doesn't OC very well they will both run at the speed of the slower card I believe. I might be wrong though.
Yeah, in Crysis Warhead. In the other games shown, the 5870's in CF are over 30% faster at stock speeds when compared to the heavily overclocked GTX 460 SLI.Dual gtx460 are much faster then a 4870x2 and when overclocked = 5870's in crossfire.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/3810/nvidias-geforce-gtx-460-part-2-the-vendor-cards/7