Gtx 460 reviews thread

[v8envy]

Look at the benchmarks with AA enabled.

Ok. Last graph on the page:

5770: 8fps min, 14.28 max.
460: 7fps min, 14.99 max.
5850: 11fps min, 22.01 max.

The only playable frame rates with this title with ANY of these cards is at 1680x1050, 1xAA, where the 5850 takes the lead with the max frame rate (although at minimums equal to the 460). At 1920x1200 with 4xAA none of these cards have acceptable minimums, not even the 470. Which means in the one graph on the page where the 460 barely edges out the 5850 by one frame/second the settings aren't usable anyway.

Click on 'next' for bf:bc graphs and it's a total slaughter, not an arguable even match at unplayable settings.

 

[golem]

I don't think anyone recommends the 5830 or expects it to sell well, while everyone expects the 460 to sell in buckets. Like the 465, the 5830 is an enthusiastically castrated, limited volume salvage part meant to sell mostly to The Faithful or those lacking in knowledge. Not be a mass market product.

No, the real competition is the 5850 which IS a popular volume part.

No I don't see this at all. 2 parts shouldn't be considered competition based mostly on how popular they are, that makes no sense to someone who is actually buying the card to use. Price or performance are the more important comparison points.

 

[nyker96]

nice I think this 1GB gtx 460 will be my next upgrade from hd4850. NV finally done it and out comes a great product at an excellent price.

 

[Jules]

I would much rather have a 5850 over a 460. Out of the 5750, 5770, 5830, 5850, 5870, 5970, 460, 465, 470 & 480, the 460 and 5850 are the two best buys. You can aruge that a 460 overclocks to the same performance as a stock 5850, however, both the 5850 and the 460 are the coolest running highest overclocking cards of this generation.

The 460's strong point is its value. At $210 it has a better price/performance ratio than the 5850 now that the 5850's price has risen from $259 to $300.

The gtx460 is a great overclocker, but the 5850 overclocks to the moon as well and with a 1000mhz OC can reach a stock GTX480 - something that could definitely not be done by a 460.

However, for the money (even with slightly less performance) the 460 is the clear winner over the 5850. Pricing is what makes this GF104 card a winner.

Thanks for the info. I only paid $240 for my ref 5850 so ill stick with it.

 

[Cookie Monster]

It's impressive that a card that costs $200 less than another card can match it in one game at one resolution?

Here's the HD5850 beating the GTX480:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/2977/...x-470-6-months-late-was-it-worth-the-wait-/14
My god, how amazing is the HD5850? It can run with NV's top chip despite having a launch RRP of just above half the GTX480 RRP! (See, I can do it too, whee).

Yes, it's a nice card, but don't pretend it's something it's not.

Well because of performance improvments via drivers, a HD5850 doesn't run with the GTX480 anymore. That was evident in AT's review of the GTX460.

link

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally Posted by Tempered81
I would much rather have a 5850 over a 460. Out of the 5750, 5770, 5830, 5850, 5870, 5970, 460, 465, 470 & 480, the 460 and 5850 are the two best buys. You can aruge that a 460 overclocks to the same performance as a stock 5850, however, both the 5850 and the 460 are the coolest running highest overclocking cards of this generation.

The 460's strong point is its value. At $210 it has a better price/performance ratio than the 5850 now that the 5850's price has risen from $259 to $300.

The gtx460 is a great overclocker, but the 5850 overclocks to the moon as well and with a 1000mhz OC can reach a stock GTX480 - something that could definitely not be done by a 460.

However, for the money (even with slightly less performance) the 460 is the clear winner over the 5850. Pricing is what makes this GF104 card a winner.

Thanks for the info. I only paid $240 for my ref 5850 so ill stick with it.

at $240 the 5850 is the clear winner.

I think that what tempered81 said makes a lot of sense. Nvidia is doing a great job with this launch because it's priced aggressive and it will either steal a ton of market share from amd or at least force a significant price drop. Also, I think that they were clever in feeding false information to the public in the runup to the release, which probably lulled amd into keeping 5830/50 prices steady instead of dropping them aggressively.

 

[MrK6]

at $240 the 5850 is the clear winner.

I think that what tempered81 said makes a lot of sense. Nvidia is doing a great job with this launch because it's priced aggressive and it will either steal a ton of market share from amd or at least force a significant price drop. Also, I think that they were clever in feeding false information to the public in the runup to the release, which probably lulled amd into keeping 5830/50 prices steady instead of dropping them aggressively.

Well, AMD would/will drop prices when and if it sees it's necessary to maintain sales. But really, this is the concept I'm having trouble understanding - the 5850 has been available on sale for $240-270 over the last 10 months. If you were in the market for a new card, it was pretty much impossible to beat those price/performance ratios, and there were many options to nab these cards at those prices. As I calculate from the benchmarks, the 1GB model of the GTX460 would have to be <$200 to even maintain that price/performance ratio, nevermind surpass it. So what's the big deal if these are selling for $240? A 5850 for $270 offers superior performance and price/performance for <$30 more, is that what people are squabbling over? I find it hard to believe that people couldn't save an extra $30 over 10 months.

 

[pmv]

Well, AMD would/will drop prices when and if it sees it's necessary to maintain sales. But really, this is the concept I'm having trouble understanding - the 5850 has been available on sale for $240-270 over the last 10 months. If you were in the market for a new card, it was pretty much impossible to beat those price/performance ratios, and there were many options to nab these cards at those prices. As I calculate from the benchmarks, the 1GB model of the GTX460 would have to be <$200 to even maintain that price/performance ratio, nevermind surpass it. So what's the big deal if these are selling for $240? A 5850 for $270 offers superior performance and price/performance for <$30 more, is that what people are squabbling over? I find it hard to believe that people couldn't save an extra $30 over 10 months.

It looks very different over here in UK.

The 5850 costs 33% more than the gtx460. A while ago I was saying how overpriced and ridiculous the gtx280 was over here, now the boot seems on the other foot, its the nvidia card that seems to be the obvious choice over the overpriced ATI cards.

In general it seems like both companies choose rational prices for the US then just pluck random numbers out of a hat for Europe. They don't seem to bother trying to compete with each other.

 

[happy medium]

The lowest price on newegg for a 5850 is now at 290$ shipped and there is a gtx 460 1gb model for 230$ (get em while there hot ). Thats a 60$ difference for an Avg. of 8&#37; more performance at 1900x1080 for the 5850 (Anand review).

Yesterdays prices mean nothing, well nothing if you need a card now.

 

[Wreckage]

Thats a 60$ difference for an Avg. of 8% more performance at 1900x1080 for the 5850 (Anand review).

Not to mention the 5850 is slower when using Tessellation and or Physics. Does not support 3D, CUDA or VLC. Also you can get a 768mb 460 for $174.

A lot more to consider than just performance in old games.

 

[edplayer]

Well, AMD would/will drop prices when and if it sees it's necessary to maintain sales. But really, this is the concept I'm having trouble understanding - the 5850 has been available on sale for $240-270 over the last 10 months. If you were in the market for a new card, it was pretty much impossible to beat those price/performance ratios, and there were many options to nab these cards at those prices. As I calculate from the benchmarks, the 1GB model of the GTX460 would have to be <$200 to even maintain that price/performance ratio, nevermind surpass it. So what's the big deal if these are selling for $240? A 5850 for $270 offers superior performance and price/performance for <$30 more, is that what people are squabbling over? I find it hard to believe that people couldn't save an extra $30 over 10 months.

you are using prices that include bing cashback or rebates for the 5850. But you talk about the GTX 460 at retail prices. Those 5850 prices are mostly because of Tigerdirect and bing cashback.

You can buy a GTX 460 with 13.2&#37; cashback just like an ATI card (apart from it ending this month).


I hope that helps you understand it. Post again if you still have trouble.

 

[dust]

Well, I really really really want the 5850(maybe the 5870 also) to drop in price. It will take time for the US prices to reflect in the MEast however, I'd say about one month, so, hopefully I can slap a pair of them in my system.

Well done Nvidia, keep it up

 

[MrK6]

It looks very different over here in UK.

The 5850 costs 33% more than the gtx460. A while ago I was saying how overpriced and ridiculous the gtx280 was over here, now the boot seems on the other foot, its the nvidia card that seems to be the obvious choice over the overpriced ATI cards.

In general it seems like both companies choose rational prices for the US then just pluck random numbers out of a hat for Europe. They don't seem to bother trying to compete with each other.

Interesting, that's the kind of insight I was looking for - I know products differ in other markets compared to the U.S., but that's substantial.

The lowest price on newegg for a 5850 is now at 290$ shipped and there is a gtx 460 1gb model for 230$ (get em while there hot ). Thats a 60$ difference for an Avg. of 8% more performance at 1900x1080 for the 5850 (Anand review).

Yesterdays prices mean nothing, well nothing if you need a card now.

That is a completely illogical argument. That's like saying I'm only going to buy my favorite ice cream from Stop and Shop, and refuse to buy it on sale at Shaw's even though it's the exact same ice cream. People would call that behavior foolish, much as they do this. Unless your computer just blew up and you need to build a new one now, you could have gotten in on any of these prices over the last 10 months. So you're saying the only people that the GTX 460 appeals to then are inept shoppers?

Not to mention the 5850 is slower when using Tessellation and or Physics. Does not support 3D, CUDA or VLC. Also you can get a 768mb 460 for $174.

A lot more to consider than just performance in old games.

Except that old games are the only way that argument makes sense (ironic, no?). I mean, Batman: AA I think was the only PhysX in awhile that received positive reviews, and how many times can one replay that one game? Mafia 2 is coming out soon, but it seems awfully foolish to get a card to use a feature incorporated into one decent game per year.

you are using prices that include bing cashback or rebates for the 5850. But you talk about the GTX 460 at retail prices. Those 5850 prices are mostly because of Tigerdirect and bing cashback.

You can buy a GTX 460 with 13.2% cashback just like an ATI card (apart from it ending this month).

I hope that helps you understand it. Post again if you still have trouble.

I'm just saying what others are posting, that's not difficult to comprehend. People are picking them up from Newegg, not TigerDirect, in droves. So beyond being incompetent shoppers, what's the reason?

 

[beginner99]

It looks very different over here in UK.

The 5850 costs 33% more than the gtx460. A while ago I was saying how overpriced and ridiculous the gtx280 was over here, now the boot seems on the other foot, its the nvidia card that seems to be the obvious choice over the overpriced ATI cards.

In general it seems like both companies choose rational prices for the US then just pluck random numbers out of a hat for Europe. They don't seem to bother trying to compete with each other.

this.

I'm not from UK but seems similar here. 5800 series, even the 5770 seem to be much more epensive than in US. Alomst looks like first we serve US and if anything is left over it goes to europe -> demand higher than availability. Now the GTX 460 is alot cheaper than a 5850, around 100$ depending on model (which is pretty much the 33% pmv mentioned).
Price wise the GTX 460 is closer to a 5770 than a 5850 and hence best bang for the buck.

 

[edplayer]

I'm just saying what others are posting, that's not difficult to comprehend. People are picking them up from Newegg, not TigerDirect, in droves. So beyond being incompetent shoppers, what's the reason?

It is difficult to comprehend when you don't attribute it to a certain person nor quote them. Otherwise, it appears that it is the way that you are thinking.

So when you say that you can't understand this concept, I assume that means you, not some other person that you never mentioned/quoted.


Almost every good deal on those cards in the recent months came from Tigerdirect. I don't know how many people are buying them from Newegg vs. Tigerdirect nor do I care. But if you do want the best price, you go looking for it. Nowadays, those are usually deals based upon bing cashback which is available for both brands...

 

[happy medium]

Well the gtx 470 was 279$ at the egg 2 weeks ago, does that make the gtx 460 a fair/bad deal at 230$ now?
@MRk6
A gtx 460 is 92&#37; as fast as a 5850 for 60$ less now, not yesterday. It overclocks just as good,is just as cool, and uses more power.
How can you argue with that?

Ati should lower the price of the 5850, plain and simple.
It is no longer the best bang for the buck.

Bing cash back, rebates ect. ect. ect. work both ways for both cards/brands.
Incompetent shoppers shop at the best online retailer with the best customer service? = NEWEGG.

bold above was edited for accuracy based on your post later in the thread. -Admin DrPizza

 

[golem]

I'm just saying what others are posting, that's not difficult to comprehend. People are picking them up from Newegg, not TigerDirect, in droves. So beyond being incompetent shoppers, what's the reason?

So you're using the after bing/ after rebate price for 5850 because "people" buy them at Tigerdirect and not Newegg and comparing it to the MSRP for the 460 because "people" buy them at Newegg and not Tigerdirect?

 

[dookulooku]

MrK6 is understating the 5850's true price and inflating the 460's price (it's $230 for the 1GB model). And he's overstating the 5850's overall perf advantage.

None of the review sites mention that the 5850 is $240-270 or whatever. Are these reviewers stupid, incompetent shoppers? No, they are mostly unbiased and don't pull silly tricks to swing the price/performance factor in one direction.

If you only care about 25x16 perf with no AA and can get a 5850 for under $270, then yes, the 5850 would be the better buy. But I think the majority of buyers are going to care about 19x12 4xAA/16xAF performance the most, where the 5850 has less than a 10&#37; advantage over the 460 1GB.

As for me, I'm waiting for ATI to respond by dropping official 5850 prices to $260-$270 and Nvidia to counter that with a full-fledged GF104 for about the same price.

 

[Tempered81]

@MRk6
A gtx 460 is 92% as fast as a 5850 for 60$ less now, not yesterday. It overclocks just as good,is just as cool, and uses less power.

According to Ryan Smith & W1zzard at Techpowerup, the 5850 uses less power than both GTX460 models.

 

[MrK6]

It is difficult to comprehend when you don't attribute it to a certain person nor quote them. Otherwise, it appears that it is the way that you are thinking.

So when you say that you can't understand this concept, I assume that means you, not some other person that you never mentioned/quoted.


Almost every good deal on those cards in the recent months came from Tigerdirect. I don't know how many people are buying them from Newegg vs. Tigerdirect nor do I care. But if you do want the best price, you go looking for it. Nowadays, those are usually deals based upon bing cashback which is available for both brands...

Okay, well let me break it down for you then. It could be that people aren't buying them, but then the questions still stands as to why people are excited about a part that at best has a bang-for-your-buck ratio similar to that of a 5850, which has been around for ten months.

Well the gtx 470 was 279$ at the egg 2 weeks ago, does that make the gtx 460 a fair/bad deal at 230$ now?

It depends on what your priorities are when purchasing hardware. And the GTX 460 actually uses more power than the 5850, despite being slower.

@MRk6
A gtx 460 is 92&#37; as fast as a 5850 for 60$ less now, not yesterday. It overclocks just as good,is just as cool, and uses less power.
How can you argue with that?

It's ludicrous to use averages to compare cards without stating at least range, especially with the driver dependent-turn game performance has taken. One game can throw off an entire average and give you a skewed view of overall performance, unless that was your intention.

Ati should lower the price of the 5850, plain and simple.
It is no longer the best bang for the buck.

Bing cash back, rebates ect. ect. ect. work both ways for both cards/brands.
Incompetent shoppers shop at the best online retailer with the best customer service? = NEWEGG.

If you want to use the cheapest cashback deals to compare cards, you can get a 5850 for ~$251 and a 1GB GTX 460 for ~$208, which is about an 84% the price for for roughly 84% performance, which is relatively in the range of where you'd want to be. Maybe the 5850 should be $240, but $10 isn't much, especially considering how poor price/performance ratios are in upper-tier cards. I think a better comparison would also include a 5850 @ 1GHz and a GTX 460 @ 900MHz. It would be nice if AMD lowered the price of their cards, but the GTX 460 is barely competitive, nevermind better enough to put significant pressure on AMD. In the end, is there all this commotion because NVIDIA finally released a product that was actually decent?

 

[RussianSensation]

You can now get MSI GTX470 with Just Cause 2 for $280 at the egg: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...tx+470&amp;x=0&amp;y=0

Glad to see prices going down. At $250, GTX470 is also going to make $230 GTX460 1GB irrelevant

 

[golem]

According to Ryan Smith & W1zzard at Techpowerup, the 5850 uses less power than both GTX460 models.

Isn't that really splitting hairs? Didn't Anandtech's review say that the 460 generally runs cooler and is more quiet? But the differences in all 3 areas aren't really significant.

 

[nemesismk2]

I don't see the win in the AvP. The 5850 slaughters the 1gb 460, and the 768mb version delivers about 70% the frames in one setting. In fact, at 25x16 the 5770 pulls away from the lower end 460!

And I think we can all agree the 5830 is a flaming turd. The real competition is the 5850, the 5830 was stillborn -- much like the 465.

I agree with your post 100%. I would not buy the 5830, 465 or 460 768mb. It would have to be either a 5850 or GTX 460 1GB.

 

[edplayer]

At $250, GTX470 is also going to make $230 GTX460 1GB irrelevant

I think if the day comes when the regular price of a 470 is $250, the 1GB version of the 460 will cost less than $230

 

[edplayer]

Okay, well let me break it down for you then. It could be that people aren't buying them, but then the questions still stands as to why people are excited about a part that at best has a bang-for-your-buck ratio similar to that of a 5850, which has been around for ten months.

You are breaking it down for me?

It sounds like you are asking more questions instead of explaining what is going on. I don't know all the reasons different people are getting excited over this. If you want to keep your similar bang 4 the buck ratio part of it, my guess would be that while keeping ratio, it allows one to get in for a lower entry price. But its silly for me or anyone to guess "why people" anything. There could be hundreds of different reasons. I can only tell you what I am thinking for sure.