Except that old games are the only way that argument makes sense (ironic, no?). I mean, Batman: AA I think was the only PhysX in awhile that received positive reviews, and how many times can one replay that one game? Mafia 2 is coming out soon, but it seems awfully foolish to get a card to use a feature incorporated into one decent game per year.
Ah, I had thought you were replying because you knew or had a reason as to why you would prefer or get excited about the GTX 460. I'm not presuming you to know what others are thinking, that's ludicrous, but my post was more an invitation for the people who are excited about or are getting the GTX 460 to state why. Your proposed reason is a good hypothesis to consider the GTX 460, but also I wonder why the the $40 is that big of a difference.You are breaking it down for me?
It sounds like you are asking more questions instead of explaining what is going on. I don't know all the reasons different people are getting excited over this. If you want to keep your similar bang 4 the buck ratio part of it, my guess would be that while keeping ratio, it allows one to get in for a lower entry price. But its silly for me or anyone to guess "why people" anything. There could be hundreds of different reasons. I can only tell you what I am thinking for sure.
You do realize that you can turn on Advanced PhysX with AMD hardware and the game still runs perfectly fine, with no performance degradation, correct? Because you actually played through the game to make such statements and aren't just spouting propaganda, right? I also find it interesting how one PhysX title invalidates the worth of twenty other new (and much more popular) releases; viewing the world through a shade of green, quite interesting indeed .Metro 2033 which most sites benchmarked has both Tessellation and Physx. Although everyone tested with Physx off so as not to totally embarrass ATI.
The point is if you are not interested in new games, you don't need a 5850 as an old card or a cheaper card will do just fine. If you are interested in new games and new technology, the 5850 just can't compete.
That's all I'm trying to say.
Well, if someone like happy medium posts that the GTX 460 uses less power, when, in fact, it doesn't, I or someone like Tempered81 will correct him.Isn't that really splitting hairs? Didn't Anandtech's review say that the 460 generally runs cooler and is more quiet? But the differences in all 3 areas aren't really significant.
OK setting aside the many many popular PhysX titles that the 5850 chokes on, how come you are also ignoring Tessellation?You do realize that you can turn on Advanced PhysX with AMD hardware and the game still runs perfectly fine, with no performance degradation, correct? Because you actually played through the game to make such statements and aren't just spouting propaganda, right? I also find it interesting how one PhysX title invalidates the worth of twenty other new (and much more popular) releases; viewing the world through a shade of green, quite interesting indeed .
Metro 2033 which most sites benchmarked has both Tessellation and Physx. Although everyone tested with Physx off so as not to totally embarrass ATI.
The point is if you are not interested in new games, you don't need a 5850 as an old card or a cheaper card will do just fine. If you are interested in new games and new technology, the 5850 just can't compete.
That's all I'm trying to say.
The point is if you are not interested in new games, you don't need a 5850 as an old card or a cheaper card will do just fine. If you are interested in new games and new technology, the 5850 just can't compete.
That's all I'm trying to say.
Well, if someone like happy medium posts that the GTX 460 uses less power, when, in fact, it doesn't, I or someone like Tempered81 will correct him.
Except that the 460 can't handle tessellation and hardware physx at the same time anyway. Yes, with that card you can view a slideshow of "new technology", but you're not going to enjoy 18 fps minimums much more than 14 fps minimums.
The only card arguably capable of handling Metro 2033 with everything cranked is the 480, when paired with another higher end-ish card for PhysX. Future games are likely to be even more demanding and call for future hardware.
For everything else, the 5850 is faster than the 460. However, the 460 1gb could still be a better buy, situationally.
There are plenty of games that run Tessellation or PhysX where the 460 is faster. Like Batman: AA or AvP.
Wow, a whole two games. nVidia had better hope that the number of people looking to buy a 460 aren't limited to the number currently playing those two games.
I used 2 games as an example I could provide a full list of PhysX titles already out. Not to mention more on the way, including games that will use Tessellation.
No one cares about most of those games and the effects added in many of them are negligible. In all the honest reviews I've read, PhysX has been described as a minor addition of value to the video card. By inflating its importance you're deluding yourself.
Newsflash: The 5850 can handle tessellation just fine. You seem to be making the mistaken inference that since the GTX 470/480 are better at tessellation, the ATi cards can't run it at all. You know this is plainly false, so quit it with the FUD.
I can just as easily say a lot of people care about PhysX and that's why game developers keep using it.
So is there any gtx 460 physx reviews out there?
I was thinking on a gtx 460 1gb and a cheap used 8800gts 512mb for 65$ in the for sale forums to give physx a try in the Mafia 2 game.
I don't have an opinion on physx cause I never tried it, but for 65$ I figured I'd see for myself what the whoopla is all about.
If you have a GeForce card, Metro 2033 will use it to accelerate some types of in-game physics calculations, since it uses the PhysX API. We didn't enable advanced PhysX effects in our tests, though, since we wanted to do a direct comparison to the new Radeons.
So where's the part of that reply where you admit you have no clue how Metro 2033 runs besides reading benchmarks, have never actually experienced it running on AMD hardware, and are just repeating NVIDIA propaganda and advertisements? I must have missed it.OK setting aside the many many popular PhysX titles that the 5850 chokes on, how come you are also ignoring Tessellation?
I won't even get into how at least one game is coming out supporting CUDA effects with more expected to follow. (or things like 3D, Folding@home, ATI's driver problems with VLC, etc. etc.)
The Egg's Canadian prices on the 460 are much cheaper in comparison to everywhere else. That's a deal, definitely, and I can see why someone would jump on a slower card because it's proportionally a better buy.Looks like some people have been spending their precious free time committing nVidia press slides to memory...
On the pricing front, the 460 is looking like a very good deal in Canada right now.
Cheapest on the Egg:
5850 - 304.99
460 1GB - 219.99
Cheapest on NCIX:
5850 - 324.99 (on back order)
460 1GB - 254.99 (on back order)
Cheapest on Tigerdirect:
5850 - 329.97
460 1GB - 290.39
All prices are from the Canadian sites, so don't vent spleen when you see different prices on the US sites.
You would be crazy to buy a 5850 in Canada right now until prices change.
It happens, just wanted to clarify so everyone's on the same page.Honest mistake on my part. My bad.
The gtx 460 uses 12 more watts.
So where's the part of that reply where you admit you have no clue how Metro 2033 runs besides reading benchmarks, have never actually experienced it running on AMD hardware, and are just repeating NVIDIA propaganda and advertisements? I must have missed it.
Fair enough. Since you are bashing the 460, I must assume you own one and that's why you are so disappointed.
Surely you are not basing your opinion of it on reviews and benchmarks.
Fair enough. Since you are bashing the 460, I must assume you own one and that's why you are so disappointed.
Surely you are not basing your opinion of it on reviews and benchmarks.
I've pre-ordered a GTX460.... Is it okay to bash it now, or do I need to wait until it's actually installed in my PC?
The lowest price on newegg for a 5850 is now at 290$ shipped and there is a gtx 460 1gb model for 230$ (get em while there hot ). Thats a 60$ difference for an Avg. of 8% more performance at 1900x1080 for the 5850 (Anand review).
Yesterdays prices mean nothing, well nothing if you need a card now.
I agree on your conditional statement, but yesterday's price does have consequences on the market as the whole. There is no doubt gtx 460 1gb has a great value proposition for now, and if I HAD TO buy one now then it is the most reasonable choice. Of course, if they had this card available at this price a half year ago, I would have had an nvidia card myself.
The problem is it took this long for nv to come out with something competitive value-wise (performance has been there in 480/470s but...), that many who were looking to upgrade/buy a new card have already done so with 5850/5870s.
Great if you somehow just happened to need a new card right at this moment as you say, but 460 really wouldn't make any 5850 owners to make a mass exodus to the green side. We can keep speculating all we want when the SI is going to hit the market, but the 460 is just a bit too late IMO. If someone held out this far thinking 5850 didn't offer enough improvement over the previous gen and decided to skip this generation, then 460 isn't very much likely to win him over.
I have dual 4870s 512MB variety and I am wondering if I should pick up two 460s since they are at a reasonable price and use less power.
I was always planning on upgrading when their was a single card that was faster than my current crossfire setup, but that seems like a long ways off.
I have an X58 which also supports SLI.
I'm really hoping that the 5870s will see dramatic price drops now that the 460s offer a nice price/performance ratio.
What I would like is that ATi will release the 5890 which will take over the 5870 pricepoint with the 5870 taking over the 5850 pricepoint and the 5850 phasing out the 5830.
What does everyone think?