gtx 465 is seeing a 50% unlock rate with 10 memory chips version.

[konakona]

I ordered a PNY GTX465...please, please, please let it be a 10-chip version!!
Will post my results when I try it.

How much was that? You should have just jumped on the TD deal for the 470! They had another short-lived BCB deal from overstock not too long ago ($230 shipped)

 

[thilanliyan]

How much was that? You should have just jumped on the TD deal for the 470! They had another short-lived BCB deal from overstock not too long ago ($230 shipped)

I paid CAD$240. I'm in Canada though...I don't think we can take advantage of that deal can we?

 

[konakona]

nope, guess you guys don't get to ride the BCB waggon

 

[thilanliyan]

Just FYI, looking at the Zotac GTX465 reviewed at Techpowerup, the back of the PCB (which expreview used to identify the 10 chip cards) is identical (contained all the resistors, etc) to the GTX 470 BUT it contained only 8 memory chips (weird I know...unless TPU was recycling a pic from another review). In other words, just looking at the back of the card may not be enough to identify a 10 chip card but rather you would have to take off the heatsink backplate and see the number of memory chips there. I'll see what I find when I get my PNY 465.

 

[sxr7171]

50% - Good odds, not great odds. I wouldn't go looking for one expecting it to be a 470.

 

[Dark4ng3l]

50% - Good odds, not great odds. I wouldn't go looking for one expecting it to be a 470.

50% odds with a sample of 4 cards. FAR from being close to enough that anyone can claim 50% odds. You would need to test about 20 cards chosen at random for it to be scientific.

 

[BD231]

I think that's with any kind of vga bricking thru bad flash; if you have a PCI video card you could restore it to normal as long as you have dumped your original bios prior to flashing.

The issue is that if you DO have a 10 chip card, you're not going to boot after the flash if it doesn't unlock. Re-flashing a card you can't even boot with is going to be troublesome for anyone who has not done it before.

The 50% ratio is absolutely wrong, also.

To this point we don't even know how many 10 chip cards are going to be in circulation and an isolated test on 0.00000000001% of the hardware available is no grounds for a 50% claim.

AMD has shown us that un-locked cores don't overclock as well so reliability is also still left to question. I'm interested to see what's going to happen on a GPU that runs dramatically higher temps.

 

[3DVagabond]

It's playing Russian Roulette with a whole lot worse odds. Go to the local casino and play Blackjack. You get better odds.

This whole thread is Fud.

 

[konakona]

The issue is that if you DO have a 10 chip card, you're not going to boot after the flash if it doesn't unlock. Re-flashing a card you can't even boot with is going to be troublesome for anyone who has not done it before.

The 50% ratio is absolutely wrong, also.

To this point we don't even know how many 10 chip cards are going to be in circulation and an isolated test on 0.00000000001% of the hardware available is no grounds for a 50% claim.

AMD has shown us that un-locked cores don't overclock as well so reliability is also still left to question. I'm interested to see what's going to happen on a GPU that runs dramatically higher temps.

yeah, so that's why I said "if you have a PCI card" (not pci-e), as in a spare one lying around for troubleshooting purposes.

wholeheartedly agreed on the validity of this 50% claim.

 

[happy medium]

The issue is that if you DO have a 10 chip card, you're not going to boot after the flash if it doesn't unlock. Re-flashing a card you can't even boot with is going to be troublesome for anyone who has not done it before.

The 50% ratio is absolutely wrong, also.

To this point we don't even know how many 10 chip cards are going to be in circulation and an isolated test on 0.00000000001% of the hardware available is no grounds for a 50% claim.

AMD has shown us that un-locked cores don't overclock as well so reliability is also still left to question. I'm interested to see what's going to happen on a GPU that runs dramatically higher temps.

Google is your friend. A 10 chip card is a gtx470 and overclocks the same as a gtx470. The 50% came from a person I linked after testing many cards, did you read it?

Show us your research on gtx 465's since you say it's absolutly wrong.
If not , thats posting false and misleading information, which might get you a vacation,

 

[happy medium]

50% odds with a sample of 4 cards. FAR from being close to enough that anyone can claim 50% odds. You would need to test about 20 cards chosen at random for it to be scientific.

I agree, They shoud use more cards. They used more then 4 though, where do you get that from?

 

[Ben90]

I spilled water on my computer today. It crashed, but started working after drying out. That means water has a 0% chance to cause permanent damage to electronics.
Sample Size = 1

 

[Lonyo]

I agree, They shoud use more cards. They used more then 4 though, where do you get that from?

Probably from page 5 where it states:

Among the four 10 memory chip versions we have, only two of them went through all the following benchmarks, so the success rate is 50 percent.

(http://en.expreview.com/2010/07/11/guide-on-how-to-unlock-the-geforce-gtx-465/7865.html/5)

 

[happy medium]

Probably from page 5 where it states:

(http://en.expreview.com/2010/07/11/guide-on-how-to-unlock-the-geforce-gtx-465/7865.html/5)

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[thilanliyan]

Turns out the PNY 465 cards NCIX are now shipping are unmoddable according to someone else's post at overclock.net. Well, looks like the card I get is going to be returned (without opening of course).

Looks like this practice is over for the most part.

 

[jmarti445]

I'm going to take a chance on the PNY version, newegg may not have received the revision cards yet, plus it is pretty deeply discounted and priced in between the 768Meg and the 1GB version.

 

[thilanliyan]

^I wonder if there is a way to tell from the box which revision it is. I have the PNY card right now and am tempted but after that other guy got the blue pcb versions from NCIX I'd better not.

 

[jmarti445]

I have a feeling newegg still has the black PCB cards. The dude on the other forum had gotten his from microcenter. The 465 GTX hasn't been the hottest seller out there so if newegg got a big shipment and since they are early adopter stuff even sooner then microcenter there is a pretty good chance that they still are the black pcb.

 

[thilanliyan]

^I sent my PNY back without opening the box...I just know that if it had been the blue pcb I would have been sorely disappointed. I'm going to just hold out for a GTX 470 as that is the one I really want...expect maybe if you have luck with the newegg version lol.

Let us know what happens with your card.

 

[jmarti445]

No doubt, even if I get the black PCB though I doubt I'm going to fully unlock the card to a GTX470. I'll probably just unlock the shaders on the card using the Asus tool. I've read reliablity problems with fully unlocking it vs just unlocking the shaders. My monitor only goes to 1280x1024 so 1.25GB of video ram is a bit overkill, though I plan to really run a lot of AA with this setup.

 

[jmarti445]

Ok, the PNY versions from newegg are....the ones with the black PCB's(atleast one of the two that I got). Woo hoo!! So I'd have to say that that makes it a better buy then the GTX460s at least for the PNY version. Though there are trade offs being that I'll probably not fully unlock it and only unlock the shaders though I'm thinking about doing both.

 

[thilanliyan]

^Have you checked the 2nd one?

 

[BD231]

Google is your friend. A 10 chip card is a gtx470 and overclocks the same as a gtx470. The 50% came from a person I linked after testing many cards, did you read it?

Show us your research on gtx 465's since you say it's absolutly wrong.
If not , thats posting false and misleading information, which might get you a vacation,

You = " yeah some 465's are 470s that work perfectly fine so go ahead and take a risk cus I know what I'm talking about I googled it ... " go punch yourself in the face, seriously. You're so wise you'd actually believe nVidia would dump perfectly functional 470 chips even though you've witnessed a 50% FAILURE rate in your own post.

Stop being such a looser. It's uncalled for and yes as hard as it might be for you to accept, your 50% rule applies only to a lot of 4 cards. Change your damn thread title, kid, you're the only one missleading people around here.

 

[jmarti445]

I'm going to say that the 2nd one is the black pcb even though I haven't opened it. Newegg shows a black card rather then a blue one. I'm pretty sure that there is a batch sub number or a revision on the card with the blue ones. I'll check when I get home and install them but as far as I'm concerned if you want 448 cores out a 465GTX go with the PNY one on newegg.

These cards haven't exactly been flying off the shelf you know so its possible that its all from the same batch number. $279 wasn't worth it with the extra cores, $212 on the other hand was a deal of awesomeness. I wouldn't pay over $249 for one though.

 

[thilanliyan]

Damn...lucky you. I can get them on newegg.ca but they will come to $290 CAD with taxes and shipping...probably not worth it.