gtx 480 prices?

[happy medium]

Quote:

"but Nvidia's suggested retail price should end up around €450 including VAT"



Including VAT? That should put the gtx 480 at under 425$ U.S. money right?
This is good news for consumers.

http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/18072/1/

 

[JAG87]

Are you not familiar with euro? That's more like $600 USD.

 

[Lonyo]

Are you not familiar with euro? That's more like $600 USD.

Yes but that's irrelevant.

Based on a €375/$400~$410 price for the HD5870 currently, it works out as something like $480~$495 since direct calculation using just the exchange rate (even on a less tax price) isn't particularly valid.

So it's somewhere slightly under $500 based on a €450 price, compared to $400 and change for an HD5870.

One site has some HD5870's listing for sub €350 (a Dutch site where they have 19% VAT), which would put a €450 GTX480 at $510+
Another has most of them above €420 (Germany, also 19% VAT) which would put the price at $450 or so.

So based on this snippet of information, the price could be anything from $450 to $515.

A direct comparison assuming a 19% VAT rate would put the price at $520, so it seems reasonable to assume it will be less than that (since typically hardware in Europe seems to be more expensive even before VAT).

 

[happy medium]

Are you not familiar with euro? That's more like $600 USD.

crap!

But he also states..

"People have expected single GPU Geforce GTX 480 to end up at close to $600 or €600 in Europe after tax but it turns out that the amount Nvidia wants for its new high end card should be closer to €450."

Thats what confused me.

 

[happy medium]

Yes but that's irrelevant.

Based on a €375/$400~$410 price for the HD5870 currently, it works out as something like $480~$495 since direct calculation using just the exchange rate (even on a less tax price) isn't particularly valid.

So it's somewhere slightly under $500 based on a €450 price, compared to $400 and change for an HD5870.

Thats what I was trying to say ^^^^

 

[happy medium]

Based on the under 500$ estimate for the gtx 480 .
Where does the gtx 470 prices fall? Under 400$?

 

[dug777]

That means very little unless there are actually plenty available...my prediction has been that these cards will be competitively priced, at least as far as MSRP is concerned.

However, hell hath no fury like video card fanboys faced with an excellent product at a correspondingly excellent MSRP, and an overwhelming shortage of said product...the latter tends to cast a pall over the former very quickly as mom's good old fashioned economics kicks in

So for the sake of lower prices and more performance for all, let's hope Nvidia can get on top of the Fermi supply game quick smart, or that rumours of supply issues are just that.

 

[happy medium]

I'm just hoping for some lower prices across the board.
Shure would be nice to see 5850's under 250$.
I'm running out of overclock with this 5750 and I'm still not shure about crossfire.

 

[Hauk]

Based on the under 500$ estimate for the gtx 480 .
Where does the gtx 470 prices fall? Under 400$?

Probably depends on what ATI does (if anything) with 5870 1GB. ATI has room, and also has a 2GB card to launch. And who knows, maybe they've stockpiled 5970 boards. It'd be nice to see them available, and in the $600 range.

Hoping for an interesting end of month..

 

[Hauk]

That means very little unless there are actually plenty available...my prediction has been that these cards will be competitively priced, at least as far as MSRP is concerned.

However, hell hath no fury like video card fanboys faced with an excellent product at a correspondingly excellent MSRP, and an overwhelming shortage of said product...the latter tends to cast a pall over the former very quickly as mom's good old fashioned economics kicks in

So for the sake of lower prices and more performance for all, let's hope Nvidia can get on top of the Fermi supply game quick smart, or that rumours of supply issues are just that.

Mastered, well said. But no fun. Boo to you sir..

 

[JAG87]

Yes but that's irrelevant.

Based on a €375/$400~$410 price for the HD5870 currently, it works out as something like $480~$495 since direct calculation using just the exchange rate (even on a less tax price) isn't particularly valid.

So it's somewhere slightly under $500 based on a €450 price, compared to $400 and change for an HD5870.

One site has some HD5870's listing for sub €350 (a Dutch site where they have 19% VAT), which would put a €450 GTX480 at $510+
Another has most of them above €420 (Germany, also 19% VAT) which would put the price at $450 or so.

So based on this snippet of information, the price could be anything from $450 to $515.

A direct comparison assuming a 19% VAT rate would put the price at $520, so it seems reasonable to assume it will be less than that (since typically hardware in Europe seems to be more expensive even before VAT).

I disagree, you have to discern between nvidia's MSRP and european etail inflated price. While it's well known that prices in europe are higher than in north america because most of them put no significance in foreign exchance, that's not the case with manufacturers.

The op states that nvidia's MSRP is 450 euro, to me that means the launch price here is probably around 549 or 599 USD. Most european etailers will probably milk the cow and charge 600+ euros. Canadians are also under a steaming pile, the looney is very strong and yet we pay consistently more than US prices. And when the HST tax kicks in soon, the shit goes splat on the fan.

That's my interpretation. If the 450 euros price point was seen on european etail than it would be another story, but that's not how the OP reads.

 

[crazylegs]

NV are going to be in an 'interesting' position. Making a couple of assumptions:

1) 470 + 480 perform (gaming) on a par +/- a few 10% or so in comparison to 5xxx series parts

2) supply of 470 / 480 parts is going to be scarce.

Now consider two pricing strategies:

1) Price on performance i.e. match similar performing ATI parts

Problems = demand will exceed supply. lots of unhappy customers can't get their hands on a sexy new 480 also prices will exceed msrp and re-sell / 'black' market for parts 'rips off' valid consumers. PR nightmare, accusations of 'paper launch' etc etc

2) Price based on supply, results in much higher prices, out of sync with similar perfomance ATI parts.

Problems = no competition in market, prices stagnant, dissatisfied consumers wanting cheaper, competitive parts to drive ATI prices down. PR issues - late, not good enough, too expensive etc.

Although signs don't look good atm, i hope NV manage to spring a surprise or two. I'm looking forward to the next gen equivalent to my 4890...

 

[happy medium]

Quote:

"Since most available Radeon 5870 cards are selling at €375 and higher, we believe that Nvidia's price is quite OK, and some partners have told us that Nvidia might have plenty of cards to launch on the 27th"

I hope so. I want some cheaper prices guys.
That Metro 2033 game is gonna put a hurtin on my 5750.

 

[Shilohen]

Quote:

"Since most available Radeon 5870 cards are selling at €375 and higher, we believe that Nvidia's price is quite OK, and some partners have told us that Nvidia might have plenty of cards to launch on the 27th"

I hope so. I want some cheaper prices guys.
That Metro 2033 game is gonna put a hurtin on my 5750.

And from today: http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/18110/1/

Geforce GTX 480 massive availability April 6th

Fuad stopped having any credibility about Fermi a while back for me, his track record with it is just beyond horrible and he seems to just parrot what nVidia tell him to. His other articles seem correct, it's just when it comes to nVidia that I have to take what he says with a bigger grain of salt than Charlie's.

 

[jvroig]

some partners have told us that Nvidia might have plenty of cards to launch on the 27th

Isn't this already officially known as not true (the date) since it has been pushed back to April 6th? So either this article was written before Fuad learned about it, or his intel is just plain wrong, most likely including the quantity of cards?
EDIT: Shilohen posted a few secs before me it seems

 

[Daedalus685]

Quote:

"Since most available Radeon 5870 cards are selling at €375 and higher, we believe that Nvidia's price is quite OK, and some partners have told us that Nvidia might have plenty of cards to launch on the 27th"

I hope so. I want some cheaper prices guys.
That Metro 2033 game is gonna put a hurtin on my 5750.

Ah 'might'... I'm glad the sources are so dead set and specific.. Oh Fuad.

In other news, the gtx480 might cause you computer to explode, it also might beat dual 5970s in everything but Stalker....

As much as I hope for lots of these suckers at release I just don't see that happening.

 

[happy medium]

And from today: http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/18110/1/



Fuad stopped having any credibility about Fermi a while back for me, his track record with it is just beyond horrible and he seems to just parrot what nVidia tell him to. His other articles seem correct, it's just when it comes to nVidia that I have to take what he says with a bigger grain of salt than Charlie's.

Thats what I wanted to hear..
Thanks for the link.

He cant be any worse then Charlie!

 

[Daedalus685]

Thats what I wanted to hear..
Thanks for the link.

He cant be any worse then Charlie!

Well he sure 'can' be.. lol

At any rate, what strikes me about that article is teh title implies he has new info about availability yet mentions that he really has no idea in teh actual write up. "Massive availability" means what exactly when he doesn't corroborate it in the slightest?

 

[McWatt]

Just to clarify for those who haven't noticed this in the past:

Usually prices for computer hardware and software are the same in euros and dollars. That means the Europeans end up paying ~1.5x more for the same product if you consider the exchange rate. It also means that a 450 euro gtx480 would indeed be $450 in the states.

 

[smackababy]

Well, I just educated myself on what VAT was and I've concluded they are dumb and overly complicated.

 

[Lonyo]

Well, I just educated myself on what VAT was and I've concluded they are dumb and overly complicated.

It's a typically flat rate sales tax which is included on the price the end consumer sees. How is that overly complicated?
(There are reduced rate for some things, and some things have no VAT, but the consumer doesn't see because prices are inclusive of VAT as listed)

 

[titan131]

It's a typically flat rate sales tax which is included on the price the end consumer sees. How is that overly complicated?
(There are reduced rate for some things, and some things have no VAT, but the consumer doesn't see because prices are inclusive of VAT as listed)

Its complicated because businesses get back VAT on all business expenses, so, say a company buys supplies and the price includes VAT. They then have to the keep and file the proof of purchase and send it to the gov at the end of the year to get the VAT back. All of which creates a lot of extra work for business owners and the government themselves.

 

[Daedalus685]

Its complicated because businesses get back VAT on all business expenses, so, say a company buys supplies and the price includes VAT. They then have to the keep and file the proof of purchase and send it to the gov at the end of the year to get the VAT back. All of which creates a lot of extra work for business owners and the government themselves.

How is that any different than the sales tax in any other country (answer: It isn't, it just isn't broken down directly on the bill, it is included in the cost)? I get all the GST I pay on products for business use back at the end of the year (well, technically it is taken off of the total that I collect throughout the year), it isn't exactly complicated.. I have to keep the receipts to claim the overall cost as an expense anyway.

 

[titan131]

How is that any different than the sales tax in any other country (answer: It isn't, it just isn't broken down directly on the bill, it is included in the cost)? I get all the GST I pay on products for business use back at the end of the year (well, technically it is taken off of the total that I collect throughout the year), it isn't exactly complicated.. I have to keep the receipts to claim the overall cost as an expense anyway.

Ah ok my bad

 

[iclicku]

Why the fuss? Anyone buying these cards shouldn't be worried about their wallets. It's all about performance and bragging rights no?