GTX 580 Soft Launched ? - Out of Stock at all Major E-tailors...

[Lonyo]

You mean the one article from November 9th that said a few weeks.

I think December 20th is more than a few weeks from November 9th. It's almost a few months.

What if this thread had been made 2 weeks ago?
Situation was the same. That's 4 weeks after launch, which counts as a few.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4051/nvidias-geforce-gtx-570-filling-in-the-gaps?all=true
Here I asked in the comments of the GTX570 article if there had been any information about GTX580 or 570 launch quantities, because there was an apparent shortage in the UK and limited stock on Newegg.
Similarly in another thread (which I linked earlier here) I made a similar comment.

So, since the situation doesn't really seem to have changed in the last 2 weeks, does the fact that it's now 6 weeks later matter when the situation is pretty much the same as 4 weeks after launch, 4 weeks being "a few" in my mind. I say hasn't changed much based on the same things being true now as were true then, limited stock on Newegg and virtually no supply on UK websites.
If I had made a thread then, would you be happier? Rather than waiting these extra 2 weeks for a thread to be made where the same point is raised.

And if the launch statements are no longer valid, are you saying that the only reason there are limited stocks is because $500 graphics cards are flying off the shelves super fast? And if so, do you have any evidence that such a thing would ever happen?
Or are you saying that NV's statements were simply false?

 

[thilanliyan]

Laughable, and mostly sour grapes over 6XXX.

Sour grapes over which aspect of 69XX cards? If the 69XX performed at 580 levels it would have cost a lot more than it does now, and that might actually be sour grapes. This thread is about 580 availability...YOU are making the jump to thinking mostly everybody is a "Zoner". It staggers me that you think somebody "mad" about some aspect of the 69XX cards would try to show that 580s are in limited supply, just for the hell of it...heck the OP himself has THREE 480s...one more and I would have thought he was a nV fanboy!

 

[OCGuy]

Sour grapes over which aspect of 69XX cards? If the 69XX performed at 580 levels it would have cost a lot more than it does now, and that might actually be sour grapes. This thread is about 580 availability...YOU are making the jump to thinking mostly everybody is a "Zoner". It staggers me that you think somebody "mad" about some aspect of the 69XX cards would try to show that 580s are in limited supply, just for the hell of it...heck the OP himself has THREE 480s...one more and I would have thought he was a nV fanboy!

I figured that quoting only a small part of my post, and then slaying a straw-man argument, would be below you.

 

[CLite]

And if the launch statements are no longer valid, are you saying that the only reason there are limited stocks is because $500 graphics cards are flying off the shelves super fast? And if so, do you have any evidence that such a thing would ever happen?
Or are you saying that NV's statements were simply false?

Please address my previous post where I point out the links you provided support the fact that Nvidia provided a reasonable supply when you factor in price difference.

One link shows 300 GTX 580 versus 500 - 6970 at release.

Another link shows the vendor discussing how Nvidia launched plenty, but some of their AIB's screwed up. On the same discussion the vendor stated "they sold very well for us".

Specifically the UK guy is the one who said Nvidia launched plenty and that they are selling very well for him.

Your links provided no support to the idea that Nvidia engaged in a soft launch. The only links that provided hard numbers support Nvidia, and the other links are mainly conjecture from Hardware reviewers pre-launch. The people presenting the point of view that supply limitations show Nvidia did a soft launch must provide evidence to support that position. Not a single person in this thread has so far.

 

[thilanliyan]

I figured that quoting only a small part of my post, and then slaying a straw-man argument, would be below you.

I addressed that part because that has been brought up several times in this thread. As for stock (which I addressed in my post to Keys), the only person who has given us any links to argue one way or another is Lonyo. Everybody else is providing links to etailers who quickly go in and out of stock. Yes you can probably argue that either way I suppose (great sellers or low supply) but there are very few people (and probably no one in this thread) that have real direct information as to which case it is. I agree the thread title should be something like "Limited supply" instead of "out of stock".

IMO there does seem to be a supply issue (ie. limited but available) as the major (r)etailer here in Alberta (memoryexpress.com) is mostly OOS for the 580 but not for the 570, and usually they're fairly good with stock, especially so long after a launch. Another thing...maybe retailers know that high end cards like that don't sell in huge amounts so they only order a few at a time, and hence it looks like they are always low in supply?

 

[TheMeanestGuest]

You mean the one article from November 9th that said a few weeks.

I think December 20th is more than a few weeks from November 9th. It's almost a few months.

In the Wreckageverse 40 days = a few months. In my experience, a few generally refers to three or four.

Anyways, I think its pretty obvious that there are some supply issues with the GTX 580. I couldn't say why that is, though I have extreme doubts that it is because of a 'selling like hotcakes' phenomenon.

 

[exar333]

High-end cards are always in and out of stock, and when you do find them they are often marked-up somewhat. This has never changed. 6800 Ultra, 8800GTX, 4870x2, 5970, 480, 580, etc. Stock is limited because it is a high-end part, not a mass-market $200 SKU.

 

[Grooveriding]

High-end cards are always in and out of stock, and when you do find them they are often marked-up somewhat. This has never changed. 6800 Ultra, 8800GTX, 4870x2, 5970, 480, 580, etc. Stock is limited because it is a high-end part, not a mass-market $200 SKU.

Not really the case no. If there is good supply they are in stock at all times from all vendors. I bought my first two 480s about a month after launch. Stock was plentiful.

 

[MentalIlness]

Only 580 in stock at Newegg now is the Gigabyte 580.

 

[Meghan54]

In the Wreckageverse 40 days = a few months. In my experience, a few generally refers to three or four.

I'm sorry, but that did make me laugh despite it being so indicative and telling about Wreckage.

 

[tijag]

If you are simply a loyal AMD user, QQ to AMD and demand better cards from them as 580 clearly won the round. Review shows that, and the market shows that.

The HD6970 is to the GTX580 as the HD4870 was to the GTX280.

 

[MentalIlness]

The HD6970 is to the GTX580 as the HD4870 was to the GTX280.

Except for the fact that the 6970 is about equal to the GTX580 at Ultra resolutions and settings.

I cannot remember if the 4870 tied the GTX280 at higher settings or not.

 

[tijag]

Except for the fact that the 6970 is about equal to the GTX580 at Ultra resolutions and settings.

I cannot remember if the 4870 tied the GTX280 at higher settings or not.

My point is that the GTX280 and the GTX580 were/are both the ultra high end expensive cards. They are faster than the 'equivalent' AMD part, but price performance isn't way off.

Although right now I'd buy the $350 GTX570 before the $370 HD6970. I don't care about eyefinity, and the 570 looks to be a better value for me.

 

[tannat]

Limited availability? Sure. Paper launch or "nearly unavailable halo product" as some have said in this thread? Laughable, and mostly sour grapes over 6XXX.

You made that statement up- Didn't you?
And what have the number of produced GTX580s to do with 6XXX?
cmon,,,

Next general availability of GTX580 will be when next big batch is ready for shipping. Until then we will see well spread out single number deliveries.

This is standard procedure. I don't get why this is so laughable.

 

[tannat]

High-end cards are always in and out of stock, and when you do find them they are often marked-up somewhat. This has never changed. 6800 Ultra, 8800GTX, 4870x2, 5970, 480, 580, etc. Stock is limited because it is a high-end part, not a mass-market $200 SKU.

This.

 

[Seero]

The fact that I cannot buy item A does not infer any information beyond supply < demand. It is no way can lead one to a rational idea of whether it is because demand is exceptional or supply is oddly low.

I remember Charlie stated that it will be a paper launch before 580 launches. Upon launch date, 580 can be purchased at a lot of places. It is after the release of 69xx that suddenly 580 went out of stock everywhere. Why is that if it isn't supply and demand?
I remember there was a post about someone brought a lot of 580s and there was a picture about it.

 

[Seero]

The HD6970 is to the GTX580 as the HD4870 was to the GTX280.

Well, I believe 6970 has a better performance/dollar radio compare to 580. Didn't check the price lately.

 

[notty22]

Yes:

 

[MentalIlness]

Yes:

 

[Skurge]

I remember there was a post about someone brought a lot of 580s and there was a picture about it.

Wasn't that a picture if the UK etailer, the same guy who said he sold more 6900 in the 1st 3hrs than GTX500 cards since launch or something similar?

He had a similar picture of 6970 boxes.

FWIW stock of the 580 here seems fine. Although most shops only let you know if a card is in or out of stock after you have placed an order.

 

[Will Robinson]

Why does it have to be direct from EVGA? Why does it have to be from them at all?

I think we are moving the goalposts here a little. Again, there has not been a day that has gone by (expect on weekends, when they most likely dont get new shipments) that I could not find a 580 to purchase in the normal price range.

And yes Aigo, getting a new shipment from the AIB every other day or so is considered fine in by book.

Limited availability? Sure. Paper launch or "nearly unavailable halo product" as some have said in this thread? Laughable, and mostly sour grapes over 6XXX.

lol....HD6970 is almost as fast as GTX580 and hundreds of dollars cheaper....(and available)...."sour grapes" indeed.:whiste:

 

[Idontcare]

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