GTX 580 Soft Launched ? - Out of Stock at all Major E-tailors...

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notty22

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According to AMD's road map, their high end product for Christmas is the 5970, and the stock's not looking to good for those at newegg or Amazon. And look , they are over 700 dollars again at newegg, and of course thats not AMD's fault, : numbly repeat :'they sell everyone they make'

 

Aristotelian

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According to AMD's road map, their high end product for Christmas is the 5970, and the stock's not looking to good for those at newegg or Amazon. And look , they are over 700 dollars again at newegg, and of course thats not AMD's fault, : numbly repeat :'they sell everyone they make'


What does this post have to do with the availability of the GTX580?
 

digitaldurandal

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Its not from Amazon though, its another etailer through amazon. And they are charging a 50 dollar premium over msrp.

Supply and demand. Life is tough. Who cares about fifty bucks when you are already dropping 500.

I don't really see the 580 surviving the price point and perhaps nVidia has cut back on supply opting to provide 570s at this time after the 6970 launch.
 

3DVagabond

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Supply and demand. Life is tough. Who cares about fifty bucks when you are already dropping 500.

I don't really see the 580 surviving the price point and perhaps nVidia has cut back on supply opting to provide 570s at this time after the 6970 launch.

Why the connection with the 6970 release? There was short supply before the 6970 launch.
 

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Lonyo

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Amazing that no one has offered any kind of real evidence other than the anecdotal or just made up statements.

http://review.techworld.com/video-g...idia-geforce-gtx-580-review/?view=review&pn=6
nVidia tells us that the supply of GTX 580 cards will be small for the first few weeks

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2010/11/20/nvidia-geforce-gtx-580-overclocking/2
While the GF110 is a large chip with a new manufacturing method and so is unlikely to be in overwhelming supply for a while, there shouldn't be horrendous stocking issues.

Other forums have been discussing it as well.
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1503865&postcount=7710
http://www.semiaccurate.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3556&page=69
http://techreport.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=74378&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a

And you can compare things like this:
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18205501
to the other posts in the HD6900 thread showing how many cards there were. Not so many GTX580s, certainly at launch (although it is a more expensive card).


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People could just claim they are selling like hotcakes and there are no supply issues without any evidence to back their statements up.
 

PingviN

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We've got a few in stock in Sweden, with weight being put on "few" and mostly in shady webstores noone buys from anyways.
 

MegaWorks

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Now that's what I call evidence thank you Lonyo. :thumbsup:
I guess you just killed the "selling like hotcakes" statement.
 

MegaWorks

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gtx 580 definitely wasn't a paper launch since you can still actually buy them. soft launch maybe, but paper launch is just contrary to the facts. I doubt that people are flocking to gtx 580 right now considering that 570, 6950 or other cards are far superior value at 16x10, and at 1920+ it is only ~ 10% faster than 6970 with that amount decreasing the higher you go. lack of 580 availability now is most likely due just as much to late/slow 6970 and its boost for nvidia as it is to low 580 supply. if supply is still low in a few weeks or into mid january then nvidia might worry a tiny bit, but unless and until that happens I think that amd has more on their mind right now honestly.

Ok then it's a soft launch, so if we're comparing what's in stock that would make the 6970 the faster card based upon availability.
 

Jacky60

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So lack of retail avalability makes it a fact that there having trouble making them? It seems more like a guess on your part.
Please explain how its a fact like you wrote it.
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Do you want to change your statement to "It could be having manufacturing problems"?

Well it certainly could be manufacturing problems but I doubt Nvidia would admit to it. When the 5970 was unavailable for months it could be said demand was greater than supply BUT that was by AMD's own admission due to supply being less than hoped for. I've noticed the lack of 580 availability in the UK. But there are plenty of 6970's -is this because no one is buying the 6970?
Anyway everyone knows AMD are better than Nvidia! :whiste:
 

Lonbjerg

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Funny how some people take their dissapointment of the 69xx series out not on AMD, but NVIDIA...cart before horse...
 

ArchAngel777

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People can spin this any way they like. It seems logical to me that while the GTX 580 is a great card, I do not believe they are out of stock solely because they are so popular. They are selling well, but nVidia cannot keep up with the demand at this point.

1) Christmas Gift - $500 for a Christmas present is a lot of money, I doubt that this is going to be a present for another person. Very rarely have I seen someone give another a $500 gift just for Christmas. I could buy that it was for themselves, possibly or a married couple.

2) Value - The $350 570 GTX provides so much more value* over the the 580 GTX. For a 50% increase in price you get a 15-20% performance increase. Is 20% going to make a game playable versus not? I doubt it. But it is possible. The stock levels of the GTX 570 are very healthy and since it is hard to believe that a 580 would outsell a 570, I have to believe that the 580 is in short supply.

I don't think you can spin it any other way. It was not a paper launch, they had stock. But they cannot keep up with the current demand, that is surely smaller than the demand for the GTX 570 and the GTX 570 has plenty of stock.
 

Mem

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Well it certainly could be manufacturing problems but I doubt Nvidia would admit to it. When the 5970 was unavailable for months it could be said demand was greater than supply BUT that was by AMD's own admission due to supply being less than hoped for. I've noticed the lack of 580 availability in the UK. But there are plenty of 6970's -is this because no one is buying the 6970?
Anyway everyone knows AMD are better than Nvidia! :whiste:

UK wise OCuk have only one brand available rest are all on pre-order http://www.overclockers.co.uk/productlist.php?groupid=701&catid=56&subid=1812 ,ebuyer in UK only has 6 available (rest are on pre-order)http://www.ebuyer.com/store/Components/cat/Graphics-Cards-Nvidia/subcat/nVIDIA-GTX-580, I would say its not because sales have been great, as we all well know top end cards don't sell as well as lower range models ie mid,budget etc...570,480,470,460 models there's plenty of stock,my conclusion is stock supply problems in general with 580,we can all make up reasons why,end of the day its all pure speculation.
 
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Lonyo

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Now that's what I call evidence thank you Lonyo. :thumbsup:
I guess you just killed the "selling like hotcakes" statement.

Nah, I'm sure people will still argue it's in great supply and selling well despite NVs own apparent claim that supply won't be abundant (AT also mentions they didn't stockpile before launch in their GTX580 review).

Rule 1 of the Anandtech forums: Don't let facts or backing up statements get in the way of rampant speculation which you present as fact.
If you believe something, say it with conviction and don't give any supporting evidence. Make sure also not to weaken your position by adding "my opinion" or "is it possible" or "it may be the case that".
 
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n0x1ous

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People can spin this any way they like. It seems logical to me that while the GTX 580 is a great card, I do not believe they are out of stock solely because they are so popular. They are selling well, but nVidia cannot keep up with the demand at this point.

1) Christmas Gift - $500 for a Christmas present is a lot of money, I doubt that this is going to be a present for another person. Very rarely have I seen someone give another a $500 gift just for Christmas. I could buy that it was for themselves, possibly or a married couple.

2) Value - The $350 570 GTX provides so much more value* over the the 580 GTX. For a 50% increase in price you get a 15-20% performance increase. Is 20% going to make a game playable versus not? I doubt it. But it is possible. The stock levels of the GTX 570 are very healthy and since it is hard to believe that a 580 would outsell a 570, I have to believe that the 580 is in short supply.

I don't think you can spin it any other way. It was not a paper launch, they had stock. But they cannot keep up with the current demand, that is surely smaller than the demand for the GTX 570 and the GTX 570 has plenty of stock.

I think this was a logical unbiased explanation. Thanks Archangel.

I am curious if its not so much a manufacturing issue, but maybe they have 580 chips they are selling as 570's because thats where the demand is.....Certainly if someone wants a 580 bad enough they can get one, but Nvidia must see that the 570 is the card they are going to move more volume of. The card that more directly competes vs AMD....

Isn't this the basis of how some AMD cpu's that are triple or dual core can have extra cores unlocked? Im sure that process is used for GPU's as well when they need more stock of certain product....
 

Axon

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Nah, no soft launch - nvidia had plenty in stock on launch day and they've sold out despite a pretty decent price gouge. I would imagine the 580 is expensive and difficult to produce, but who knows really.

Right up to the release of the 6970, newegg had stock of the 580. Once the benches dropped the stock went away.
 

Gryz

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Here in The Netherlands, we've seen hardly any gtx580s for sale. Lots of websites have them in their offerings. But the availability is always "pre-order", "unknown" or "10+ days" (which means: "we don't know"). I've wanted to buy a gtx580 since launch, but I preferred to buy a particular brand. But even looking at other brands, I've hardly ever seen any brand gx580 on any Dutch webshop set the availability to "in stock" or "1-5 days". It certainly seems like the whole country got a very limited amount of cards.

One shop has the status set to "available from 28th december". Maybe the country gets a new shipment then ?

Gtx570s seems to be in stock in some webshops. Not all brands, and not at hugh quantities. But if I wanted one, I could buy one today. Not so for the gtx580.
 
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