GTX 580 Soft Launched ? - Out of Stock at all Major E-tailors...

[n0x1ous]

Just because people may want one, and those people may be able to find "one" doesn't mean it is the "brand" they want.

<---Still waiting for a "in stock" link for EVGA / ASUS / Gigabyte

If I were in the market for one of these I would be looking for EVGA so I agree with you there, but on the other hand, these are mostly reference designs without much difference

Some minor OC models, but nothing much to separate other than the warranty. I would definitely prefer an EVGA for their lifetime warranty, but if i really wanted one and couldn't wait, I would pull the trigger on a Zotac, MSI.

After two/three years (standard length warrantys) I would have moved on anyway.

If I were looking for AMD I would look to XFX first for the double lifetime warranty, but if those were unavailable and I didnt want to wait, I would still go with another vendor with a standard warranty if it was a reference design.

 

[Lonyo]

However, you could do it like this.

Nvidia said limited quantities.

I dunno, I'm kind of leaning towards assuming "they" have me on ignore, so making it big wouldn't help.
Or they work for Fox.

 

[CLite]

Looks like even the two 580 cards that were in stock at Tiger are now out of stock as well.

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...K2tVAW5tUTCADw

More and more like a soft launch.

Please address my post where I describe my experience of seeing 80 restocked EVGA GTX 580 cards sell out in 2 hours at newegg, weeks after the original launch.

I really don't care about either stupid company, but you created a 100% troll thread.

 

[Vesku]

Forget availability, I'd rather get updates on when they will improve their power management and drivers for the 200 and 400 series.

 

[WelshBloke]

Please address my post where I describe my experience of seeing 80 restocked EVGA GTX 580 cards sell out in 2 hours at newegg, weeks after the original launch.

I really don't care about either stupid company, but you created a 100% troll thread.

Please address the fact that both Nvidia and etailers have both said this card will have supply issues to start with.

 

[CLite]

Please address the fact that both Nvidia and etailers have both said this card will have supply issues to start with.

It's called being a top-end super expensive card, obviously it will not be as plentiful as a sub $400 card. However, this does not mean a soft launch, and anyone implying such is tragically dumb.

 

[MentalIlness]

If I were in the market for one of these I would be looking for EVGA so I agree with you there, but on the other hand, these are mostly reference designs without much difference

Some minor OC models, but nothing much to separate other than the warranty. I would definitely prefer an EVGA for their lifetime warranty, but if i really wanted one and couldn't wait, I would pull the trigger on a Zotac, MSI.

After two/three years (standard length warrantys) I would have moved on anyway.

If I were looking for AMD I would look to XFX first for the double lifetime warranty, but if those were unavailable and I didnt want to wait, I would still go with another vendor with a standard warranty if it was a reference design.

Yes and I do agree with you. But with EVGA, comes the step-up. To me...that is the biggest selling point of EVGA. For me anyways.

And yes, I agree. No difference between reference models. But for the customer service as well...The top tier brand is where its at.

EDIT: Hypothetical...If I were to purchase a EVGA GTX570....and want to step-up to the GTX580. Seriously, will I be able
to within the step-up period ? Meaning would EVGA have the cards available for step-up or do most e-tailers and re-tailers get them all first ?

 

[WelshBloke]

It's called being a top-end super expensive card, obviously it will not be as plentiful as a sub $400 card. However, this does not mean a soft launch, and anyone implying such is tragically dumb.

*Shrug* Is there a definition of a soft launch? I thought it meant a card that was supply constrained at launch.

 

[MentalIlness]

It's called being a top-end super expensive card, obviously it will not be as plentiful as a sub $400 card. However, this does not mean a soft launch, and anyone implying such is tragically dumb.

So then you are saying that Nvidia is "dumb" ??

Because Nvidia themselves have said limited availability for a while. Which "is" a soft launch right ?

 

[cotak13]

Please address my post where I describe my experience of seeing 80 restocked EVGA GTX 580 cards sell out in 2 hours at newegg, weeks after the original launch.

I really don't care about either stupid company, but you created a 100% troll thread.

2009 population of the USA: 307,006,550
80 Cards in 2 hours? Drop in the ocean anyone?

 

[n0x1ous]

Yes and I do agree with you. But with EVGA, comes the step-up. To me...that is the biggest selling point of EVGA. For me anyways.

And yes, I agree. No difference between reference models. But for the customer service as well...The top tier brand is where its at.

EDIT: Hypothetical...If I were to purchase a EVGA GTX570....and want to step-up to the GTX580. Seriously, will I be able
to within the step-up period ? Meaning would EVGA have the cards available for step-up or do most e-tailers and re-tailers get them all first ?

I am not exactly sure how the step up works......I believe there is some sort of Queue that you get placed in. As far as if you just need to be on the list within the step up window or actually get shipment/delivery within it I am not sure. Anyone know for sure on that?

Anyway, that is a good point and another great benefit of buying EVGA.

Is there any AMD vendors who have a step-up program? I don't know any off hand, but if there isn't, that seems like a good spot for XFX to fill for the AMD side. They seem to be the preferred vendor for AMD from my perspective along with Sapphire.

 

[CLite]

Nvidia did not accumulate as large of a stockpile for a card that costs 50&#37; more than another card because such a stockpile would cost 50% more capital.

It's called basic economics, and Nvidia is certainly not dumb for selling out on the card stockpile they have accumulated and continue to distribute, which doesn't seem to be abnormally small given the 80 restock cards I saw on Newegg for just one vendor a couple weeks after launch.

Pathetic homers trolling about something completely unrelated to graphics. Having read this thread it appeared to happen to ATI for a different series card, and such trolling by Nvidia homers was equally pathetic if it occurred.

 

[Axon]

Yes and I do agree with you. But with EVGA, comes the step-up. To me...that is the biggest selling point of EVGA. For me anyways.

And yes, I agree. No difference between reference models. But for the customer service as well...The top tier brand is where its at.

EDIT: Hypothetical...If I were to purchase a EVGA GTX570....and want to step-up to the GTX580. Seriously, will I be able
to within the step-up period ? Meaning would EVGA have the cards available for step-up or do most e-tailers and re-tailers get them all first ?

Check out the EVGA forums: http://www.evga.com/forums/tt.aspx?forumid=67

Personally, if I could step up from my 460s to a 570, I would. But they won't let me for some reason. I assume I'll have a shot at the 560, but that card is looking like an OCed 460 with some additional shaders.

 

[ZimZum]

Amazing that no one has offered any kind of real evidence other than the anecdotal or just made up statements.

http://review.techworld.com/video-g...idia-geforce-gtx-580-review/?view=review&pn=6


http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2010/11/20/nvidia-geforce-gtx-580-overclocking/2


Other forums have been discussing it as well.
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1503865&postcount=7710
http://www.semiaccurate.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3556&page=69
http://techreport.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=74378&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a

And you can compare things like this:
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18205501
to the other posts in the HD6900 thread showing how many cards there were. Not so many GTX580s, certainly at launch (although it is a more expensive card).


OR
People could just claim they are selling like hotcakes and there are no supply issues without any evidence to back their statements up.

Hot cakes I tells you, HOT Cakes !!! ::shakes fist at computer screen::

 

[WelshBloke]

Nvidia did not accumulate as large of a stockpile for a card that costs 50% more than another card because such a stockpile would cost 50% more capital.

It's called basic economics, and Nvidia is certainly not dumb for selling out on the card stockpile they have accumulated and continue to distribute, which doesn't seem to be abnormally small given the 80 restock cards I saw on Newegg for just one vendor a couple weeks after launch.

Pathetic homers trolling about something completely unrelated to graphics. Having read this thread it appeared to happen to ATI for a different series card, and such trolling by Nvidia homers was equally pathetic if it occurred.

Dude, calm down. I'm not arguing that its not a normal business decision for Nvidia or that its the end of the world for them. They do seem to be supply constrained on the 580GTX, thats all I'm saying.

Its not necessarily a bad thing and certainly not a problem as you can get one if you hunt around.

I'm not quite sure how pointing this out constitutes trolling though. :|

 

[MentalIlness]

I am not exactly sure how the step up works......I believe there is some sort of Queue that you get placed in. As far as if you just need to be on the list within the step up window or actually get shipment/delivery within it I am not sure. Anyone know for sure on that?

Anyway, that is a good point and another great benefit of buying EVGA.

Is there any AMD vendors who have a step-up program? I don't know any off hand, but if there isn't, that seems like a good spot for XFX to fill for the AMD side. They seem to be the preferred vendor for AMD from my perspective along with Sapphire.

No. Im pretty sure there is no AMD vendor that has step-up. And yes, XFX would be great in that regard.

Only other company I can think of that did do the step-up was BFG. But they are just a memory now.

 

[MentalIlness]

Check out the EVGA forums: http://www.evga.com/forums/tt.aspx?forumid=67

Personally, if I could step up from my 460s to a 570, I would. But they won't let me for some reason. I assume I'll have a shot at the 560, but that card is looking like an OCed 460 with some additional shaders.

They won't let you ? I think I would be finding out why. That just seems odd to me.

Are you still within your 90 days of purchase of the 460's ?

 

[stupidhatmatt]

I just want one thing explained to me. Why does the AMD crowd use the defense of "well 2 of 69xx smoke 1 580" when arguing their side? Shouldn't we be comparing single gpu vs single gpu?

 

[WelshBloke]

I just want one thing explained to me. Why does the AMD crowd use the defense of "well 2 of 69xx smoke 1 580" when arguing their side? Shouldn't we be comparing single gpu vs single gpu?

I dont think its just the AMD side, its just a valid choice. As was 460gtx sli, and others.

It down to if the options are price competitive I suppose.

 

[sandorski]

I just want one thing explained to me. Why does the AMD crowd use the defense of "well 2 of 69xx smoke 1 580" when arguing their side? Shouldn't we be comparing single gpu vs single gpu?

That can be argued, but 2 69xx are cheaper than the 580 which can also be argued.

 

[MentalIlness]

I just want one thing explained to me. Why does the AMD crowd use the defense of "well 2 of 69xx smoke 1 580" when arguing their side? Shouldn't we be comparing single gpu vs single gpu?

Because they are valid arguments.

Single GPU

* At 2500+ resolution = Some games a 6970 = a GTX580 "While being $130 less.

Crossfire

* 6950 Crossfire is $80 less than a single GTX580....while destroying it.
* 6950 is the best multi-card solution.

So what is the point to even argue ? I only see arguments from company specific fans. Whether it be AMD or NV. What I argue is....the validity of certain companies fans that says one is better than the other, when facts prove otherwise.

 

[Wreckage]

I just want one thing explained to me. Why does the AMD crowd use the defense of "well 2 of 69xx smoke 1 580" when arguing their side? Shouldn't we be comparing single gpu vs single gpu?

Because NVIDIA has the fastest single GPU and they don't like that.

 

[WelshBloke]

Because NVIDIA has the fastest single GPU and they don't like that.

So you don't think a multi GPU solution is a valid competitor at a similar price point?

 

[Aristotelian]

Because NVIDIA has the fastest single GPU and they don't like that.

What do you have to say about the era on these boards of "2 GTX460 smokes (insert single gpu AMD card here)" then? Same thing? Or was it rather about price/performance?

 

[Axon]

They won't let you ? I think I would be finding out why. That just seems odd to me.

Are you still within your 90 days of purchase of the 460's ?

Yes. The 460 1370 model simply isn't eligible for a step up. I have no idea why.