GTX 580 Vs GTX 460's in SLI star in "What that extra 220 Dollars gets you"

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Lifer
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CF HD6850 gives about 99% of the performance of a GTX580, while costing about 75% as much, which is where the value comes, thought being cheaper.
Or SLI GTX460 @ 101%/80% cost

I hear what your saying and I dont doubt the 6850's are a good value, but does it outweigh the negatives of CF/sli for 25% more money? Remember you also have no real upgrade path with sli/CF, thats where the 3rd card scaling has you lose money. On the other hand going from a gtx580 to sli'd gtx580's, you get your moneys worth.
Get what I'm saying?
I guess it depends on the individuals situation, psu, fast cpu!, resolution,what games they play ect. ect. ect.?
 
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tyl998

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For me a 480 or 580 would've been a waste. I know I won't be upgrading for another 3 years or so (I had just put together a completely new system late last month) so why spend money on a premium GPU? you pay more for the upgrade potential but I know I won't be upgrading, so might as well get the same performance for less, and then in three years, when the GTX 760 is out for a reasonable price, I'll upgrade to that and maybe SLI that.
 

RobertR1

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That was true, but not anymore. You can have a single 580 at 1080p and still being a bottleneck due to tessellation and PhysX. It all depends on the game, which will be more demanding in the future. While you don't need SLI now, I will never say never. Especially when 3D vision is just around(I wonder why people will shoot for the biggest gun without it). While 3D movie is not round, 3D games are everywhere. 460SLI/580 can barely handle games that are out in 3D, but definitely can't max out big games like crysis2 and hawx2 under a single display. Note that consoles are also boarding the 3D ship, meaning that it will only get bigger and better, in 3D.

Can you show me which games with are unplayable with a 580 at 1920x1200 with tess and physx on? I genuniely want to know. I saw no mention of him wanting 3D either, unless I missed it.
 

cusideabelincoln

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Yes , it was me and I stand by that theory. It was 20% faster then gtx 480 and cost less. Scaling was very good and has gotten better. I also was talking about 1900x1080 ,not 2500x1600.

The 6850 crossfire numbers are no where near 20% faster then a gtx580. In this case its just not worth it. Then you have to factor in a new psu with your upgrade to sli'd gtx580's also, or the fact that adding another 6850 will probrobly suck in tri fire.

We are talking about 1080p.

Sheet 3:
https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc...zN6RUR3TkNRWTNzeE5CZkE&hl=en&authkey=COPFrYoD

6850 CF is faster than 460 SLI

And if you look at Anand, Hot Hardware, and Sweclocker results, the 6850s have better scaling than the 460s. So the 6850s are just as good, heck possibly even better, of a value than the 460s.

You were recommending 460 SLI when they cost $220-$230 each, but you don't even think about 6850 CF when they're $180 each? At least try to hide your bias (which you can only really do by being impartial ) You're one of the few clamoring about price/performance, and 6850s (or $190 460s) are just as good of a value compared to the GTX580 as the $200+ 460s were compared to the GTX 480. Facts: 6850 cost less than a 580 and are just as fast, if not faster, much like how the 460s cost less than a 480 and were faster. But there is a tradeoff: The 6850s performance advantage is smaller but the cost difference is higher. In the end we're in the same situation, except you have switched philosophies.

And why are you clamoring on about a new PSU and Trifire? You make statements but they really don't make any sense. You need to flesh out your thoughts. In any case, I'd consider going with a single 580 or two midrange cards giving you the same upgrade path. For one I doubt it will be really that beneficial to SLI the 580 anyway. It's price is most likely going to stay relatively high (like the GTX 280, 285, and 480 before it), especially compared to whatever new products come out, and you will require a pretty beefy power supply. So if you go with a single 580 then you're going to be under the same philosophy that you should just get the next fastest single GPU, and this is exactly the same kind of upgrade you would be doing if you had gone with two 6850s or 460s.


And honestly I dont trust CF drivers yet ,but there looking better.

Crossfire drivers were total crap at the time. Remember the gtx460's beating the 6870's?
Sli drivers as a whole are much more consistant than CF.
That is changing though, thank god.

The 6800 series has excellent Crossfire drivers and performance right out of the gate. Whatever argument you are making (as you probably meant the 5870 instead of 6870) is not applicable, until AMD does indeed screw up the 6800 series.

I hear what your saying and I dont doubt the 6850's are a good value, but does it outweigh the negatives of CF/sli for 25% more money? Remember you also have no real upgrade path with sli/CF, thats where the 3rd card scaling has you lose money. On the other hand going from a gtx580 to sli'd gtx580's, you get your moneys worth
Hmm I quoted this to debunk it but I already addressed everything here anyway. Read up^.


It's funny seeing the tune being changed.
 
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pcwizard7

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I have a GTX 295 and the graphics drive has been screwing up lately so i was wondering is it worth it for to upgrade to the GTX 580 or if the 400 series would be better which one of the 400 series would be the best

thanks

PS: Hello to all and happy to be here. first post.
 

cusideabelincoln

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The 580 is the evolution of the 480. It (the 580) is the better card, no question. It's about 17% faster than the 480, and uses less power.
 

pcwizard7

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The 580 is the evolution of the 480. It (the 580) is the better card, no question. It's about 17% faster than the 480, and uses less power.

so it would be better to get the 470 now and wait for the 600 series cause $560 is a little too much for GPU for small differences
 

cusideabelincoln

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The 470 is a good deal. For the most part you'll get roughly the same performance, sometimes less sometimes more, than your 295 and it's much cheaper. The decision is up to you, but I would agree with your sentiment. The 580 would be an upgrade, but it wouldn't be a "huge" upgrade. The 600 series, though, should be.

Right now:
If you're looking for a replacement, then the 470 is your best bet.

If you're looking for an upgrade, then the 580 is your best bet.
 

MangoX

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@cusideabelincoln: I got confused too when he said 6850 tri-fire, since they don't support 3 way, only 2 way. Must be talking about the 5850 then. The 68xx blows away the 58xx cards in terms of scaling.
 

Leyawiin

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I don't have an SLI board (although I do have a Crossfire one). None the less, I don't want a multi-GPU set up. For no worries about multi-GPU issues (and while much improved they're still there) I'd rather spend the extra $100. If I'm already shelling out money like that I'm not going to quibble about another c-note.
 

Seero

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Can you show me which games with are unplayable with a 580 at 1920x1200 with tess and physx on? I genuniely want to know. I saw no mention of him wanting 3D either, unless I missed it.
Define unplayable. If I were to spend 500USD on a video card, "unplayable" won't be a word that I will use. I will expect I can max out everything and expect no less than 30 FPS on 90% of the games.

Note that I am not trying to argue a single GPU solution is not better, but I am simply questioning about the 200 extra bucks over a SLI config. AMD is not a solution because it doesn't support PhysX. This is also true if you have 6 monitors, then Nvidia is not an option.
 
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