GTX 660Ti Reviews

[WMD]

I think the card does fine for it's intended purpose: 1080p and below with 4xAA or 1600p without AA. The bus width and 1.5gb memory limitations are a little overblown. It's just not fast enough for some people above those resolution or quality settings where > 1.5 gb starts to matter. The only problem is price. It should be closer to $249 than $300.

No sign of that 64bit 2gb mode kicking in even at 1600p with 4xAA. Still hanging with the 7870.

 

[Zanovar]

Seems a solid card, read reviews skimmed most*coughs*you can buy a 7950 for the price of this card.no contest.(U.K prices)

 

[richaron]

Waited. Waited. Read review: Ordered my first discrete AMD/ATI card ever (buying >15yrs). Wished I hadn't waited.

I'm butthurt & will be convincing my minions not to buy into the smelly bag of phalic goodness I call "nV business strategy".

 

[Keysplayr]

Waited. Waited. Read review: Ordered my first discrete AMD/ATI card ever (buying >15yrs). Wished I hadn't waited.

I'm butthurt & will be convincing my minions not to buy into the smelly bag of phalic goodness I call "nV business strategy".

Good Luck with your campaign. :thumbsup:

 

[richaron]

Good Luck with your campaign. :thumbsup:

I hope, since it seems you have the ability to give formal feedback, you'll at least take note of a long-time nVidia fan who has lost faith in them. I don't claim to be representative. But I am one of the ~perhaps not insignificant~ group whom look for more than raw DirectX gaming performance.

My minions may not be many, but I'll do my best

 

[Raghu]

What is the cost of Borderlands2? Not sure how the 660Ti compares with the price of the game is discounted.

 

[RussianSensation]

No sign of that 64bit 2gb mode kicking in even at 1600p with 4xAA. Still hanging with the 7870.

Too bad for the 660Ti that you can get a 7950 for $17 more (actually less if you include that Newegg charges $7 shipping for most 660Ti cards). Each of those games you linked runs well on NV cards to begin with. It is no surprise the 660Ti can hang in there. Let's expand the average to include 15 games ---> 8% slower than an 800mhz 7950. HD7950 has 40-50% overclocking headroom above 800mhz for $317.

Seems a solid card, read reviews skimmed most*coughs*you can buy a 7950 for the price of this card.no contest.(U.K prices)

Exactly. As I said it before what made GTX460 a star was overclocking. HD7950 is exactly the same, even better. All these reviews pitting factory pre-overclocked 660Ti vs. an 800-850mhz 7950 are not giving the 7950 justice imo. This is like testing an i5 2500K at 3.3ghz and calling it a day.

It takes about 5 min to glance at these 5 graphs to see how freakishly fast a 7950 gets at 1150mhz. It is 20% faster than a 7970 in BF3.

660Ti is 1 full class below. 24 ROP / 192 bit 1.5GB (?) vs. 32 ROP / 256-bit GTX670 2GB
7950 = 32 ROP / 384 bit 3GB vs. 7970 32 ROP / 384 bit 3GB --> slightly less TMUs of 112 and shaders of 1792 vs. 7970.

AMD is selling a slightly neutered flagship and NV is selling a 25% gutted card 670. NV card has worse overclocking headroom. An overclocked 7970 beats most overclocked 680s. The math can't be simpler here. BL2 makes the card appear to be worth $250 to some people though. That's a valid point.

 

[Keysplayr]

I hope, since it seems you have the ability to give formal feedback, you'll at least take note of a long-time nVidia fan who has lost faith in them. I don't claim to be representative. But I am one of the ~perhaps not insignificant~ group whom look for more than raw DirectX gaming performance.

My minions may not be many, but I'll do my best

Anyway.

 

[richaron]

Anyway.

Thanks for editing your "sort of pathetic reason for loosing faith" reply. That would be inflammatory; since I have made my upmost effort to to be honest an impartial in my decision making. I even overcame my nVidia bias in because of my above stated reasoning.

Good thing those in the "focus group" are impartial... I'd be 'impartial' with a free 680 too :thumbsup:

 

[Jaydip]

He never said he was,i somehow don't get your point

 

[Keysplayr]

He never said he was,i somehow don't get your point

They don't understand what transparent is, so I can't possibly be. That's my take.

 

[richaron]

..

 

[Attic]

:thumbsup:

Too bad for the 660Ti that you can get a 7950 for $17 more (actually less if you include that Newegg charges $7 shipping for most 660Ti cards). Each of those games you linked runs well on NV cards to begin with. It is no surprise the 660Ti can hang in there. Let's expand the average to include 15 games ---> 8% slower than an 800mhz 7950. HD7950 has 40-50% overclocking headroom above 800mhz for $317.



Exactly. As I said it before what made GTX460 a star was overclocking. HD7950 is exactly the same, even better. All these reviews pitting factory pre-overclocked 660Ti vs. an 800-850mhz 7950 are not giving the 7950 justice imo. This is like testing an i5 2500K at 3.3ghz and calling it a day.

It takes about 5 min to glance at these 5 graphs to see how freakishly fast a 7950 gets at 1150mhz. It is 20% faster than a 7970 in BF3.

660Ti is 1 full class below. 24 ROP / 192 bit 1.5GB (?) vs. 32 ROP / 256-bit GTX670 2GB
7950 = 32 ROP / 384 bit 3GB vs. 7970 32 ROP / 384 bit 3GB --> slightly less TMUs of 112 and shaders of 1792 vs. 7970.

AMD is selling a slightly neutered flagship and NV is selling a 25% gutted card 670. NV card has worse overclocking headroom. An overclocked 7970 beats most overclocked 680s. The math can't be simpler here. BL2 makes the card appear to be worth $250 to some people though. That's a valid point.

Perhaps in followup reviews we can see this class of information presented to the readers. I expect HardOcp will touch on some of this in an oc'ing/mem intensive look at the 666Ti.

Clearly for enthusiasts the 7950 presents more value and performance,.. and I think the same goes for non enthusiasts when evaluating the non referece 7950 vs non reference 660ti, it's just a shame the first wave of reviews went out there with reference (no OC) 7950 vs non reference (OC'd) 660ti..., a misstep that doesn't present the true considerations for buyers to look at.

I'd be interested in evaluating the nVidia reviewers guide that review sites are asked to take into consideration for the 660ti.

 

[WMD]

Too bad for the 660Ti that you can get a 7950 for $17 more (actually less if you include that Newegg charges $7 shipping for most 660Ti cards). Each of those games you linked runs well on NV cards to begin with. It is no surprise the 660Ti can hang in there. Let's expand the average to include 15 games --->

That's not my point to say that the 660ti outperforms the 7950. Nvidia has never been as strong as AMD's offering above 1080p resolution. Just pointing out the memory arrangement is not as crippling at high resolution as it was previously thought. Otherwise the graph would have should noticeable performance tanking at 1600p vs the 7870.

I do agree the 7950 is the better buy at almost the most price if you can overclock it more. From what i seen 20%-35% OC is common on the 7950 vs 10%-20% on the 660ti. Which is why I said the 660ti should be a $250 card

 

[cmdrdredd]

I think the card does fine for it's intended purpose: 1080p and below with 4xAA or 1600p without AA. The bus width and 1.5gb memory limitations are a little overblown. It's just not fast enough for some people above those resolution or quality settings where > 1.5 gb starts to matter. The only problem is price. It should be closer to $249 than $300.

No sign of that 64bit 2gb mode kicking in even at 1600p with 4xAA. Still hanging with the 7870.

Aren't those 3 games very optimized and run well on a good range of hardware to begin with?

I think with titles like Sleeping Dogs and Metro 2033, maybe Crysis 3 we will see a difference.

 

[WMD]

Aren't those 3 games very optimized and run well on a good range of hardware to begin with?

I think with titles like Sleeping Dogs and Metro 2033, maybe Crysis 3 we will see a difference.

I didn't cherry pick the games. Only metro, sniper elite and civ5 are more demanding but they either don't have traditional msaa 4X for me to illustrate the point or too bias towards Nvidia. And I wont call them very light on the gpu if the 7950 can barely hit 45fps and the fastest gpu 7970GE cannot even avg 60fps.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

:thumbsup:

Perhaps in followup reviews we can see this class of information presented to the readers. I expect HardOcp will touch on some of this in an oc'ing/mem intensive look at the 666Ti.

Clearly for enthusiasts the 7950 presents more value and performance,.. and I think the same goes for non enthusiasts when evaluating the non referece 7950 vs non reference 660ti, it's just a shame the first wave of reviews went out there with reference (no OC) 7950 vs non reference (OC'd) 660ti..., a misstep that doesn't present the true considerations for buyers to look at.

I'd be interested in evaluating the nVidia reviewers guide that review sites are asked to take into consideration for the 660ti.

Review sites should be ashamed of themselves. Not only were they comparing overclocked versions vs the 7950 reference they also benchmarked the 660 vs the 570 instead of the 580.

To be perfectly honest I don't think it matters much. None of the models have went out of stock on Newegg and some have dropped in price and now offer free shipping which means no one is falling for their bs.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

Also I've kept an eye on a couple for sale forums and no one is dumping their cards for the 660. I was thinking of maybe snagging a 580 on the cheap but no one is buying the 660.

 

[toyota]

surely those with a gtx580 have enough sense not to "upgrade" to a gtx660ti.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

surely those with a gtx580 have enough sense not to "upgrade" to a gtx660ti.

Heck a 570 would be an upgrade from the 460 I'm using. Fact is no one is even "upgrading" at all to this thing. I thought for sure after the 660 release I'd be able to snag something on the cheap but the forums are video card bare.

 

[destrekor]

So, worthy upgrade to go 660Ti SLI from 560Ti 2GB SLI, when I play some games in 5760x1070 (6060x1080 bezel corrected)?

I probably won't be ready to buy until either 700-series or Big Kepler. I would like to go single card so BigK might be my solution.

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[AnandThenMan]

...it's just a shame the first wave of reviews went out there with reference (no OC) 7950 vs non reference (OC'd) 660ti..., a misstep that doesn't present the true considerations for buyers to look at.

I don't consider this a misstep but intentional.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

I don't consider this a misstep but intentional.

I'd wager the review guide nvidia provided to the site's dictated exactly how the review should go.

 

[ShintaiDK]

I'd wager the review guide nvidia provided to the site's dictated exactly how the review should go.

So like AMDs review guide?

 

[chimaxi83]

So like AMDs review guide?

Quick, defend Nvidia honor! :thumbup: