GTX-690 Reviews are up.

[Silverforce11]

I agree to ur idea but then again 590 was considered a turd because some guy killed the card while overvolting .I think this rule should be applicable for both camps.

Not just some reviewers, users had the VRM problems as well. NV had to fix it with a driver update to prevent overvolting and asus had to rush a bios to lockout overvolting.. yet they claim its a non-problem? BS.

gtx590 is fine if you dont push it with OCs... but then again its marketed towards enthusiasts, that kind of thing doesn't fly very well.

Here's the kicker: Obviously NV learnt from making a crap engineered gtx590 being sold at high prices to actually making a very well engineered gtx690. What does that tell you, NV knows they messed up so they made it better now.

 

[Silverforce11]

look at this chart
it is in contrast with all the reviews out there

Hw.fr uses different games in their list, with such a small list of games, picking one thats AMD favored or NV favored alters the outcome greatly.

 

[Gikaseixas]

Looking at AT's own gtx690 review, CF scaled very well in most of their small game list, even beating SLI in a few games. Is that broken? Don't be stupid please.

it didn't scale in two games i guess, while SLI was perfect. You gotta give it to Nvidia for doing a better job with multiple gpu's. I wouldn't call CF broken but it's definitely worse than SLI at the moment.

 

[r3pshow]

First post !!

hey Guys it's great to be here !!

I was wondering about the Motherboard.org review it says the max Temp is 44C I Mean WTF !! dude !!

and every other review it was low 80s ...!!

any one have any explanation about this thing ?

the link to motherboard.org review : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wy36lRyy1pI&feature=g-u-u

 

[Kenmitch]

Why is there so much variation with CF?

Maybe holding back for now? Not too much market for dual cards anyways. Why worry about something you most likely wouldn't purchase anyways.


The 690 looks like a nice card. Doesn't look to be out of reach for a dual AMD card tho
Dependant on driver support of course.

 

[Genx87]

No, they don't..

Nvidia is the one that needs a complete revamp --- they only have ONE chip being produced at this point. What is wrong with their process that they can't manufacture their chips? It's a great chip... But when they can't make enough of it, and all their time is being spent on this one chip, it's cause for concern.

Maybe this is just a perception thing, but it strikes me as extremely insecure that Nvidia is sending off their halo card immediately.. Not only does it scream "look at me!!!", it really does expose the bigger problem --- right now Nvidia only has their GK104 chip.. No GK107, no GK109 or whatever.. That's a problem.

AMD just started a completely new arch, and they are not that far behind Nvidia at this point. Hell, a simple refresh of Tahiti chip will pull the power numbers down and get the clock speeds up. Then your looking at AMD in the lead again (for how long, right?).

If you havent been paying attention I will get you upto speed. TMSC is having manufacturing issues, again, which limits wafer starts for the new process. Given the margins on these chips. What makes more sense? Sell a halo\top end car for more money? Or use precious wafer starts to crap out 250 and lower cards?

And is that all AMD has to do? You should tell them because clearly they havent tried that!

 

[Jaydip]

Hw.fr uses different games in their list, with such a small list of games, picking one thats AMD favored or NV favored alters the outcome greatly.

Batman Arkham City is a NV favored game and all the reviews out there prove that to be true except this one.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

It's only the 3rd (or so) time that you post or link to those comments in different threads. I would assume it's normal to "alert" others once but to keep repeating it every time?

I see lots of people making claims without proof or links, you've taken on a full time job if you're going to treat them the same as you're treating me.

(but of course you won't)

Repeating is required, since this is a public place with new people coming and going all the time. In fact most everything is just a restated answer here, is it not? If you continue to restate positive things then it makes sense negatives would need to also continue to be restated.

My address is to anyone who makes such absurd claims. They need to take a step back and smell the coffee because a lack of scaling in a game or two is nothing new to multi-GPU ever since it originated back in the days. Skyrim CF was broken for a few weeks, [H] and a few users here over-reacted. I don't recall the same reaction when Dragon Age was broken for SLI for a few months, not just lack of scaling, but corrupt textures as well. They are both AAA+ games.

Looking at AT's own gtx690 review, CF scaled very well in most of their small game list, even beating SLI in a few games. Is that broken? Don't be stupid please.

As to microstutter, some users notice it, some don't, its an individual subjective phenomenon.

What claims did I personally make silverforce? Link it so I can defend what I've personally stated as my own personal opinion.

Don't be stupid please? :hmm:

 

[Jaydip]

Not just some reviewers, users had the VRM problems as well. NV had to fix it with a driver update to prevent overvolting and asus had to rush a bios to lockout overvolting.. yet they claim its a non-problem? BS.

gtx590 is fine if you dont push it with OCs... but then again its marketed towards enthusiasts, that kind of thing doesn't fly very well.

How many users did have the problem really?They claim its a non problem because they didn't guarantee overvolting at all.Gtx 590 is a capable ocer but u have to know when to stop and that's applies for everything out there.The 690 has 10 phase vrm as well just like the 590 and cooler design is also very similar.

 

[Gikaseixas]

see lots of people making claims without proof or links, you've taken on a full time job if you're going to treat them the same as you're treating me.

Do i really need to link your posts??? Everyone knows and sees your posting style. Your obsession is sad.

 

[Silverforce11]

What claims did I personally make silverforce? Link it so I can defend what I've personally stated as my own personal opinion.

Don't be stupid please? :hmm:

Did i say YOU specifically made any claims? Now you're just being stupid. Move on.

 

[Gikaseixas]

If you continue to restate positive things then it makes sense negatives would need to also continue to be restated.

Oh i see, you're the balancing force, you sound like you need to do this or else...

 

[Abwx]

look at this chart

it is in contrast with all the reviews out there

That s only for two different high resolutions , but i guess
that owners of theses cards wont play at 1024/768...

Hw.fr uses different games in their list, with such a small list of games, picking one thats AMD favored or NV favored alters the outcome greatly.

Not at all , they say that AMD drivers did improve perfs
while their Gforce 680 has 30mHZ less than in their first reviews,
as well as Nvidia drivers being not good on a game..

 

[railven]

Welp that happened fast...

And yet the supposed AMD shills haven't even stepped into this thread yet. Clearly the issue isn't with shills.

Guys get a grip before another thread is closed.

 

[Jaydip]

That s only for two different high resolutions , but i guess
that owners of theses cards wont play at 1024/768...

I don't understand your point.I said all the reviews show NV being faster in Batman AC across all resolutions.

 

[Jionix]

If you havent been paying attention I will get you upto speed. TMSC is having manufacturing issues, again, which limits wafer starts for the new process. Given the margins on these chips. What makes more sense? Sell a halo\top end car for more money? Or use precious wafer starts to crap out 250 and lower cards?

And is that all AMD has to do? You should tell them because clearly they havent tried that!

If you haven't been paying attention, I'll get you up to speed:

"The gross margin decline is contributed almost entirely to the yields of 28nm being lower than expected. That is, I guess, unsurprising at this point,” -Jen Hsun Huang, Q4 and Fiscal Year 2012 NVIDIA Corporation Earnings Conference Call, Feb 15th

It's not TSMC's fault! Quit trying to blame them (like Nvidia loves to do).

Nvidia is the only one complaining about yields (that I currently know about). Nvidia also dumped/canceled all their scheduled early 28nm lines at the end of 2011. So, why is that TSMC's fault again?

 

[Jaydip]

Guys lets focus on 690,we are discussing absolutely unrelated stuffs here.Lets discuss about the new frame limiter thing Pauly posted a couple of pages before.

 

[Jaydip]

If you haven't been paying attention, I'll get you up to speed:

"The gross margin decline is contributed almost entirely to the yields of 28nm being lower than expected. That is, I guess, unsurprising at this point,” -Jen Hsun Huang, Q4 and Fiscal Year 2012 NVIDIA Corporation Earnings Conference Call, Feb 15th

It's not TSMC's fault! Quit trying to blame them (like Nvidia loves to do).

Nvidia is the only one complaining about yields (that I currently know about). Nvidia also dumped/canceled all their scheduled early 28nm lines at the end of 2011. So, why is that TSMC's fault again?

TSMC manufactures their chips. whom should they blame for yields then AMD ?

 

[chimaxi83]

I see lots of people making claims without proof or links, you've taken on a full time job if you're going to treat them the same as you're treating me.

(but of course you won't)

Repeating is required, since this is a public place with new people coming and going all the time. In fact most everything is just a restated answer here, is it not? If you continue to restate positive things then it makes sense negatives would need to also continue to be restated.



What claims did I personally make silverforce? Link it so I can defend what I've personally stated as my own personal opinion.

Don't be stupid please? :hmm:

Thread crapping and derailing an Nvidia thread... puzzling. Pretty obvious that you spend more time posting negative opinions about AMD hardware/business than you do saying nice things about Nvidia. Go back and read your posts here, YOU were the first and only one to start mentioning AMD in here to turn this into a versus argument... and you pulled it out of thin air too You enter threads with the intention of starting arguments lol, I don't get why you go out of your way for this.

It's old already dude.

 

[flexy]

$999 card = stupid.

 

[aaksheytalwar]

TSMC manufactures their chips. whom should they blame for yields then AMD ?

This

 

[Jionix]

TSMC manufactures their chips. whom should they blame for yields then AMD ?

Themselves? They are the ones that design the chip that is going onto the wafers. TSMC has no part in that. Now, if TSMC had contaminated lines or bad wafers.. Yeah. But that isn't happening.

It's Nvidia's flawed implementation and ineptitude at node process that is causing the bad yields.

 

[f1sherman]

Guys lets focus on 690,we are discussing absolutely unrelated stuffs here.Lets discuss about the new frame limiter thing Pauly posted a couple of pages before.

Discuss!

 

[OVerLoRDI]

You have to wonder how much AMDs performance/noise/power/driver woes play into this card being $1000...

Anand stated:



In the games where they are getting good scaling, [H] notes that playback isn't nearly as smooth as SLI.

This is what stood out to me. Ryan is usually very mild spoken when it comes to these issues, but "too broken to recommend" is really strong words on anandtech front page. I hope AMD gets a hint, their card has massive potential but they just keep wrecking themselves with drivers.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

It's old already dude.

690 system draws less than 100 watts more than a single 7970 system.

CPU is probably eating up some of those watts.