Arachnotronic
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https://forum.beyond3d.com/threads/...nd-analysis-thread.57188/page-82#post-1956376
AMD gimping older hardware by disabling async compute, best laugh by far.
Interesting find!
https://forum.beyond3d.com/threads/...nd-analysis-thread.57188/page-82#post-1956376
AMD gimping older hardware by disabling async compute, best laugh by far.
Interesting find!
Of course, he quoted a post from Dec. 9th and neglected to mention the post from Dec. 13th in the same thread, which is 5 days ago, that mentions that the driver team is aware of the issue and is looking into it. Sounds good, that's totally not troll-like behavior at all. Nope.
It's incredible how AMD has used the console advantage to make such a long lasting architecture. It's obvious nVIDIA in these past few years has designed for the short term whereas AMD has designed for the long term.
nVIDIA is still using an architecture with roots all the way back to Fermi so it's impressive that they've come so far on efficiency but I think Volta will be a big change for them in light of GCNs longevity.
This shows how nVIDIA purposefully designs their architectures to be viable for a 2-year period, then marks them down with inadequacies or abandons driver support for them.
Kepler is a shining example of an architecture touted as the next best things since sliced bread, it’s power efficiency was marketed as a feature versus the more capable GCN HD7000 cards back in the day, but nVidia hid the fact that it couldn't do compute to for shit!
When you can twist the tech media into buying into your hype and have an advantage at the given time in a certain APi (DX11) the masses will flock to your product, the 700$ tag for a 3GB card is/was a rip off of massive proportions, especially when the 290x with 4GB was around 10-15% slower in nVidia favored titles at worst!
A deficit it has reclaimed over the years and is still a viable gaming card, all while the 780Ti now has to compromise on the most basic of things like texture resolution for it not to choke.
What a perfect example of hype over substance. The Maxwell cards are next, they have no muscles to Flex in DX12 and see relatively little gain in Vulkan compared to modern GCN cards.
And Pascal will suffer the same fate, it still doesn't see the same gains in DX12 compared to GCN, high core clock can only carry you so far.
And what do you think nVidia’s pitch is going to be for Volta? Full DX12 capabilities, hardware async? The more I look at it the more I see nVidia being the Apple of the GPU world, it looks good when it’s new and hot, but man does it lose value over time, it’s shiny but it ain’t worth the cost relative to the competition. This is why I will never buy another x80 card from nVIDIA ever again.
Apple offers OS updates on its older phones
Heh. Apple updates have been known to slow down old hardware.
That is to be expected. More features and functionality will bog down old, slow processors.
So is it Nvidia deliberately slowing down old chips or is it the new loads being too much for them? Can't really have it both ways.
This almost feels like a meme. "Kepler! Losing performance since launch!"
Probaby time for 780Ti owners to chime in so they can tell us all the games they cant play anymore.
https://i0.wp.com/www.babeltechreviews.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Launch-Chart-780-Ti.jpg
I see good boosts for 1080 here in Vulkan over OpenGL 4.5. Pascal looks like it's doing OK here to me, which is even more impressive considering how good NVIDIA's OpenGL/DX11 drivers are.
The only card I see gaining from Vulkan for Nvidia is the 1080, which appears to be CPU bound prior.. Much like we've seen from DX12 games.
1060? Even
970? Slight loss
1050 Ti? Loss
780 Ti? Big loss
770? Loss
1050? Big loss
So out of the 4 Pascal cards, 3 of them lose performance. I wouldn't say that Pascal is doing OK.
The 1060/1050 Ti may be better balanced in terms of compute/gfx resources than 1080 is, leaving some spare compute capabilities on the table that are exploited by Vulkan/Async Compute on the bigger GPU.
So Pascal isn't doing too well then is it? Just the expensive 1080...Pascal looks like it's doing OK here to me, which is even more impressive considering how good NVIDIA's OpenGL/DX11 drivers are.
So Pascal isn't doing too well then is it? Just the expensive 1080...
I'm not looking to participate in an AMD vs NVIDIA flame war. If that's your takeaway then by all means use that conclusion to inform your GPU purchases.
If you feel so strongly that NVIDIA isn't building products to last, why didn't you choose a product from an alternative vendor?
No I'm just making sure you know that the 1050, 1050ti and 1060 are also Pascal cards, not just the 1080. "Pascal looks like it's doing OK here," is not true when there's a regression or simply no increase in performance in other Pascal cards.
If correcting your unsubstantiated claims is what you define as a "flame war" then feel free to not make such claims so nobody has to correct them. Seems like you may have confused me with yourself:
1080 is based on the Pascal architecture. Claiming that it is fundamentally the Pascal architecture is deficient when there is clearly a Pascal-based GPU that gains from a move to DX12/Vulkan seems to suggest that there is something else at play here besides the architecture.