is the 780ti worth 150 over the 290x? If it only offers 10% more performance while running so much cooler and a heck of a lot quieter?
All these people jumping on the 780ti price, what about the 290x. Is it worth $150 more than the 290? The 290 offers almost the exact same performance, oudness, high heat and power consumption for 150$ less. Is it okay for AMD to charge more for their top tier but not Nvidia?
Name 1 person since R9 290 came out that is recommending spending $150 extra for the R9 290X? If you read the forums, the opposite is true.
then there is the heat. As much as people try to claim heat should completely be disregarded but i think that most people would not want to have such high temps if they had a choice. Anyone how says that 95c is cool, really need to get out the dictionary. There is nothing cool about 95c.
Already been covered ad-nauseum. Wait a bit for $10-30 more expensive aftermarket versions or buy an Accelero cooler. You are still way below the price of 780Ti while getting 87% of the performance. Alternatively, if someone is spending $700 on a GPU setup, might as well spend $850 and get 50-60% more performance with dual 290s. Based on [H]'s review, 780Ti failed to provide a real world improvement in playability, except in FC3, against a stock 290X. We know 290 is just 3-4% behind the 290X.
I can say this and still understand the principle that the halo CPUs and GPUs, the halo products always command a premium. AMDs 290x as well as Nvidias 780ti. Usually that premium comes with the added performance and an elite status that you just cannot get from going the budget route. People buy what makes them feel good. Top of the line, is top of the line.
What is a halo card anyway? You can call every card that's a class leader a halo card then. 480 that beat 5870 is halo until 580 came out then 7970, then 680, then Titan then 780Ti. The term is meaningless. It's not like buying a Porsche 918 Spyder that you know will be the halo supercar from Porsche for 10 years. The shelf-life of the so-called "halo" card is so short, the term shouldn't even be used in the GPU industry.
Why is it when 7970 beat 580 by 20-25% and had double the VRAM but came with a $100 premium, NV owners raged and raged about its price? At that time the 7970 was the fastest thing out but apparently the $100 extra was way too much to ask. Now 780Ti is beating R9 290 by only 15-16% but comes with a $300 price premium and this is suddenly justified because it's labelled as a "halo" card?
That's the biggest cop out statement and hypocrisy of the year. What about 7970GE beating 680 for a solid 12 months by 10-12% while costing less? I guess that didn't matter either but boy now paying $300 for 15-16% changes the game? That's redefining logic for sure. Where do I sign up for this modern logic lecture?
This is worse than GTX280 vs. 4870. At least the gamers got upset and NV lowered the price from $649 to $499 against a $299 4870. Now NV is asking a $300 price premium and it's suddenly excused because it's "halo", fully unlocked GK110? If people say well flagship cards are excused from reasonable pricing, why not price it at $799, $999? Where do we stop?
No one is asking for the most premium cards to be priced directly proportionally on a price/performance scale but
NV is asking more than DOUBLE of past generations for each % gained. Moving from 5870 to 480 or from 6970 to 580 to get 1% more performance cost HALF as much.
OCGuy said:
AMD stock is still sitting in the $3 range for a reason.
What does this have anything to do with GPUs, price/performance, features or anything else? When you go buy a GPU, you look at the stock price of the firm that makes it?
OCGuy said:
Hardforum keeps losing credibility....all it does is center on MSRP of the cards. Not only are there no 290x, but when you can find out, you sure as heck aren't paying $549 for it. And then everyone recommends you slap on an expensive cooler.......
HardOCP's review is not end-all-be-all, but other sites have similar findings.
TechReport shows that in terms of smoothness/real world latency delivery, 780Ti isn't really better than R9 290/X.
"For most folks, though, forking over 700 bucks for the GTX 780 Ti will seem like madness when the Radeon R9 290 offers 90% of the performance for $300 less. Yeah, the Radeon is noisier, but I'm pretty sure $300 will buy a lifetime supply of those foam earplugs at Walgreens. Heck, throw in another hundred bucks, and you could have dual R9 290s, which should presumably outperform the GTX 780 Ti handily." ~ TechReport
but if you read their forums and other forums online, a lot more gamers are ripping 780Ti's pricing apart relative to our sub-forum which seems to be defending it. I believe you used to own a 1Ghz 7970. I don't know what happened with your card but you seem to have a very negative slant towards the brand out of nowhere. For example, you make remarks about people wanting to change a cooler on a $400 GPU. Why is that a problem? You would still end up with a card that costs $475 or still making 780Ti look overpriced.
Secondly, you keep stating it's impossible to find R9 290Xs in stock, or to find them close to MSRP.
Here is R9 290X with
BF4 for $579
Here is Sapphire 290X for just $10 above MSRP.
No one here is recommending 290X anymore though, but you keep talking about it. What about R9 290? Yup,
4 different models can be purchased on Newegg as of right now; 3 of those for $399.
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Did anyone see TechReport's power usage? In their review, the 780Ti used more power than R9 290/X. Not that I care about power usage but as I said before if one system uses 340W and another 370W, people buying these cards just don't care!