GTX 780 Ti reviews

[desprado]

It's not only about performance, though. NV charges more because they subjectively have a better user experience with their software, features, acoustics, etc. You're looking at it merely from a performance perspective, which is only one metric among many.

Don't get me wrong - the 290 is a heck of a value card. I just don't think every buyer will opt for it because of the aforementioned reasons.

This is a fact that people dont understand.Nvidia cards are cooler and less microstutter,less noise and better software support.

The performance is not the only thing.

 

[Subyman]

Everyone complaining about prices of $500+ cards vs "better deals" should prob not be buying high end cards from the start.

If you have to look at bank balance before you buy a card, you should not be getting this card.

I agree. The 780TI can be priced at whatever. It just won't shake up the market like some were hoping with its $700 price tag. The people that would buy such a card already have Titans or 780 Classifieds, so I highly doubt the high end enthusiast will swap out for these.

 

[3DVagabond]

You are missing the point, the point is being hardly any faster than a comparable card yet increasing the temp is terrible engineering standpoint. Releasing a card almost a YEAR from competitors, running hotter, and barely faster, is terrible designing.

The running temp is purely the ref cooler. What about the HIS cooler that runs it in the 63° range? And it's not really almost a year from the competitors, if you consider that nVidia just managed to release a fully functional GPU in the same time frame as AMD did. They've been selling partially functioning chips all this time. And doing them at a crazy premium. Everyone wants to cry about the reference cooler, but the 780ti cooler isn't really much better at all, especially when you consider the BoP.

 

[3DVagabond]

How is that arrogant again? You use that word, but I don't think you understand the meaning.. They make a higher performance card and charge more for it..oh the travesty! lol

Actually AMD makes higher performance cards and charges less. nVidia just reacted to that.

 

[3DVagabond]

I wonder how long Nvidia has been sitting on this SKU.

Considering it hasn't been very long that the Tesla version has been out, I'd say not too long.

 

[Teizo]

Actually AMD makes higher performance cards and charges less. nVidia just reacted to that.

If AMD was in position to charge more, they would. They knew the 780Ti was coming more than likely and realized they would not be able to command more than $600 for the 290X and that Nvidia would likely drop the price of the 780 in response...so they did what they had to do to put themselves in the best position to sell the most cards. It's all market posturing to make the best return on their investment.

To think that AMD just decides to sell their cards for less because they care about the well being of their customers is a bit naive.

 

[3DVagabond]

Well for those who want an AMD card and can put up with the high noise/heat from the reference models, the R9 290X has been made completely irrelevant by the R9 290. And for those who want an NVIDIA card and want more perf-per-dollar, go with GTX 780 SC models that are close to $500.

+1 :thumbsup:

the difference between all of these cards is minimal. Choose your brand, and then pick between the 2 you've mentioned. Agree completely.

My personal pref is to wait for the 290 custom cards.

 

[Jaydip]

I for one don't agree with the $700 price at all.We got a full GF110 for the same price , I prefer NV but it seems they are charging way more even when the 28nm process is matured.They must understand GPU is not like a idevice and the number of people buying a $700 gpu is very very small.

 

[Teizo]

I for one don't agree with the $700 price at all.We got a full GF110 for the same price , I prefer NV but it seems they are charging way more even when the 28nm process is matured.They must understand GPU is not like a idevice and the number of people buying a $700 gpu is very very small.

I imagine they are aware of that. They just want one of their cards on the top of the charts. But, from their vantage point they probably are looking at the fact that the 780 Ti is faster than the Titan...so $700 is not asking too much even though it has less Ram.

That said, as the other poster pointed out...the R290 is the best value for AMD, and the 780 OCs are the best value for Nvidia (for the high end cards, that is). That is probably how it was designed from the outset.

 

[AnandThenMan]

Nvidia must be happy with the volumes they are getting at said price points or they would make adjustments. From a business standpoint they are doing the right thing, charge what the market will allow. From a consumer standpoint, Nvidia is milking their loyal customers.

 

[3DVagabond]

BF4 never goes over 2GB at 1080p. I know, I have 2GB cards. The way you bounce around between hating on nvidia and going all amd to "I will stay with what I have for now" to "nVidia sucks I will have 2x 290s soon" I just dunno how to respond. I'll just tell you that I run BF4 at 2560x1440 everything ultra with 2xmsaa and do not run out of vram.

So you've reduced your AA settings from 4xMSAA.

 

[Jaydip]

I imagine they are aware of that. They just want one of their cards on the top of the charts. But, from their vantage point they probably are looking at the fact that the 780 Ti is faster than the Titan...so $700 is not asking too much even though it has less Ram.

That said, as the other poster pointed out...the R290 is the best value for AMD, and the 780 OCs are the best value for Nvidia (for the high end cards, that is). That is probably how it was designed from the outset.

I understand their mindset but just don't agree with it at all.580 was topping the charts with a price tag of $499.

 

[3DVagabond]

Hey I've been asking about game bundles for a while now because of this reason. I definitely keep that in consideration. To be fair though, I also heard that AMD will begin offering bundles with the R9 series soon, with "soon" ill-defined.

They seem to have used them to help clear the 7000 series stock.

 

[3DVagabond]

I know, its an emotional roller coaster. What can I say, I like GPU drama.

EDIT: But seriously, if I don't stay with what I got, the i'll get two 290's. Unless the 780 drops in price. But then it needs more ram, so 290's it is, but i'll wait for better coolers. And if I wait then I might as well wait for 20nm. Get it?

Nothing ticks all of the boxes for you and if someone doesn't do it soon they are going to miss their window of opportunity.

 

[Teizo]

Forgive us for pointing you to actual available products available on a launch card. I'm sure you are capable of looking up 290X cards if you are interested.

Well, you linked a Superclocked 780Ti from EVGA which does retail for $719.99. The base model from EVGA is actually $699.99 as it is supposed to be and is in stock as well, along with a host of others.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814487002

Your review makes it sound like the card is not costing what Nvidia claimed.

 

[OCGuy]

TD has the EVGA superclocked version for only $699 in stock as of now.

 

[Will Robinson]

Why did you decide to use the list price of the 780ti for comparing prices ($719), and the MSRP of the 290x, ($549) which nobody is actually selling them at? Would you consider that an oversight or intellectual dishonesty?

You are way out of line accusing an industry professional of "intellectual dishonesty".
He doesn't deserve that and it is entirely unworthy of members here.

 

[Subyman]

I guess nVidia had a lot of stock. They've been fully in stock today.

 

[OCGuy]

From Anandtech: http://www.anandtech.com/show/7492/the-geforce-gtx-780-ti-review

Elsewhere on a competitive basis, until such a time where factory overclocked 290X cards hit the market, the only real single-card competition for GTX 780 Ti will be the Radeon HD 7990, AMD’s Tahiti based dual-GPU card, which these days retails for close to $800

From PC Gamer: http://www.pcgamer.com/

Well, it’s been a busy month for graphics card releases and we’re only seven days into November, but then we always knew Nvidia would be waiting for AMD to release it’s top end cards before issuing their own response, and here it is: the Nvidia GeForce GTX 780 Ti.

And as you would expect, it’s now the fastest graphics card on the planet. But we’re not just talking about taking the single-GPU crown either, the GTX 780 Ti can actually go much faster than the Radeon HD 7990, let alone either the GTX Titan or Radeon R9 290X.

Maximum PC: http://www.maximumpc.com/nvidia_geforce_gtx_780_ti_benchmarks

With the GeForce GTX 780 Ti, Nvidia has snatched the single-GPU performance crown back from the clutches of the recently launched Radeon R9 290X, and not just by a small margin either, but by a landslide. By dethroning the R9 290X Nvidia has also taken the GTX Titan to the woodshed as well, as the GTX 780 Ti is far and away the fastest single GPU we have ever tested

We are just kidding, of course, because one look at this chart and one thing is immediately clear. The GTX 780 Ti kicks the crap out of everything, by a lot

Impressive card! They already cleaned up margin-wise on 28nm by having no competition on the high end for almost a year, so it would be nice if $649 became the going price.

This should show everyone what happens when one company owns a market. This chip was mature enough to get good yields (without disabled silicon) this summer. Finally AMD made them uncomfortable with Hawaii, something that hasn't been done since 4870 caused a Tier 1 AIB partner rebellion.

EVGA already has a TI GHZ edition with a custom cooler on their website for only $719......nice to see at launch!


This makes me wonder what Intel is sitting on.......

 

[3DVagabond]

It's even on the nice little price comparison table I made at the end

Appreciate you coming by to explain things to people. What's that old saying though about leading a horse to water? Good luck.

 

[ICDP]

Some cherry picked data from second rate review sites

I was never a fan of Anandtech reviews due to only showing average FPS, and they lost whatever little credibility they had when it refused to use Uber mode on R9 290X because "it's not the out of box setting". Seriously, they refuse to flick a little bios switch on a card? They must think GPU enthusiasts are idiots "cuz theys don no how to flyk a swich"

This is no different to the many 7970 and 7950 OC edition cards that had two different clock settings depending on the BIOS switch. My Sapphire 7970 OC had a switch that changed it from 950/1425 or 1000/1450. Most review sites thought this was a excellent feature. Toms for example.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7970-overclock-review,3186-5.html

As for the other 2 "review" sites, nah, not interested.

HardOCP on the other hand.

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2013/11/07/nvidia_geforce_gtx_780_ti_video_card_review/8

"The GTX 780 Ti does not dominate the Radeon R9 290X. Instead, it kind of helps prove that the Radeon R9 290X is a powerful (and power hungry) beast of a video card. The GeForce GTX 780 Ti with all its SMX units and CUDA Cores at play, is only equaling the performance and experience of the Radeon R9 290X. The GTX 780 Ti isn't overshadowing the R9 290X, or claiming a clear win or victory. The GTX 780 Ti is merely matching the gameplay experience of the Radeon R9 290X. In fact, the GTX 780 Ti is matching the R9 290X gameplay experience at a $150 premium."

 

[OCGuy]

Anandtech reviews lost every ounce of credibility it ever had with me when it refused to use Uber mode on R9 290X because "it's not the out of box setting". Seriously, they refuse to flick a little bios switch on a card? They must think GPU enthusiasts are idiots "cuz theys don no how to flyk a swich"

As for the other 2 "review" sites, nah, not interested.

HardOCP on the other hand.

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2013/11/07/nvidia_geforce_gtx_780_ti_video_card_review/8

"The GTX 780 Ti does not dominate the Radeon R9 290X. Instead, it kind of helps prove that the Radeon R9 290X is a powerful (and power hungry) beast of a video card. The GeForce GTX 780 Ti with all its SMX units and CUDA Cores at play, is only equaling the performance and experience of the Radeon R9 290X. The GTX 780 Ti isn't overshadowing the R9 290X, or claiming a clear win or victory. The GTX 780 Ti is merely matching the gameplay experience of the Radeon R9 290X. In fact, the GTX 780 Ti is matching the R9 290X gameplay experience at a $150 premium."

You might want to look up the word "outlier." As far as what reviews you weigh more than others on an individual basis, that is your personal choice. I can say that crapping on AT while posting on AT is bad form.


A few more quotes: http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_780_Ti/32.html

NVIDIA's GeForce GTX 780 Ti successfully captures the single GPU performance crown back from AMD. The card delivers impressive performance thanks to the GK110 GPU which has all its 2,880 shaders enabled.

http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/1...ack-retaking-the-performance-crown-from-amd/4

Nvidia’s GTX 780 Ti is the fastest single GPU you can buy today. It’s much quieter than the Radeon R9 290X, it’s faster than the Titan, cheaper than Titan, and offers the best combination of silence and performance

And while it can in some tests fall short of twin-GPUs such as the Radeon 7990 or GTX 690, it betters every other single-core GPU on the market – including AMD’s new R9 290X. And thanks to the variable performance of the 290X’s adaptive architecture, the gains can be quite significant, too.

http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/nvidia-details-its-gtx-780ti-the-world-s-fastest-single-gpu/0123904




The general consensus is pretty clear. A certain site is not only moving goal posts depending on who is on the field, it is playing a completely different game.

 

[tg2708]

Appreciate you coming by to explain things to people. What's that old saying though about leading a horse to water? Good luck.

'you can lead a horse to water but you cannot force him to drink it.'

 

[desprado]

I was never a fan of Anandtech reviews due to only showing average FPS, and they lost whatever little credibility they had when it refused to use Uber mode on R9 290X because "it's not the out of box setting". Seriously, they refuse to flick a little bios switch on a card? They must think GPU enthusiasts are idiots "cuz theys don no how to flyk a swich"

This is no different to the many 7970 and 7950 OC edition cards that had two different clock settings depending on the BIOS switch. My Sapphire 7970 OC had a switch that changed it from 950/1425 or 1000/1450. Most review sites thought this was a excellent feature. Toms for example.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7970-overclock-review,3186-5.html

As for the other 2 "review" sites, nah, not interested.

HardOCP on the other hand.

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2013/11/07/nvidia_geforce_gtx_780_ti_video_card_review/8

"The GTX 780 Ti does not dominate the Radeon R9 290X. Instead, it kind of helps prove that the Radeon R9 290X is a powerful (and power hungry) beast of a video card. The GeForce GTX 780 Ti with all its SMX units and CUDA Cores at play, is only equaling the performance and experience of the Radeon R9 290X. The GTX 780 Ti isn't overshadowing the R9 290X, or claiming a clear win or victory. The GTX 780 Ti is merely matching the gameplay experience of the Radeon R9 290X. In fact, the GTX 780 Ti is matching the R9 290X gameplay experience at a $150 premium."

Anandthech and Guru3d provide best review and benchmark.It is hard to accept that Nvidia has currently fastest single GPU on the planet

 

[3DVagabond]

If AMD was in position to charge more, they would. They knew the 780Ti was coming more than likely and realized they would not be able to command more than $600 for the 290X and that Nvidia would likely drop the price of the 780 in response...so they did what they had to do to put themselves in the best position to sell the most cards. It's all market posturing to make the best return on their investment.

To think that AMD just decides to sell their cards for less because they care about the well being of their customers is a bit naive.

I never said any such thing. I only stated a fact. You are the one attaching all of "my naive" reasons.

BTW, that doesn't mean that I agree with your analysis at all. Besides, why AMD does it is irrelevant.