GTX 780 Ti reviews

[AdamK47]

This is possibly one of the dumbest things I've ever read here on AnandTech.

It has some truth to it. There are some people who went with Titan, then to overclocked 780s, and now are getting the 780 Ti. All the while NVidia execs are sitting in their plush office chairs twirling their curly mustaches and laughing maniacally.

 

[AtenRa]

Reacted with a slightly faster card you mean. Hence the reason it costs more.

Well, R9 290X was faster than GTX780 when released but AMD didnt sell it at higher price.

GTX780 Ti is even more expensive than GTX780 was a few weeks ago. They could sell it at $649 and everyone would be more than fine.

 

[Erenhardt]

Why do you assume people would upgrade from a 780 to a 780Ti?

I saw they did. No finger-pointing thou

 

[Kenmitch]

It has some truth to it. There are some people who went with Titan, then to overclocked 780s, and now are getting the 780 Ti. All the while NVidia execs are sitting in their plush office chairs twirling their curly mustaches and laughing maniacally.

Funny how that works? Reminds me of the devoted Apple fans.

Are you going to sit on the Titans for now or do you plan on upgrading to something else?

 

[SirPauly]

Nothing has really changed to me and around the similar 30 percent premium for nVidia's flagship full core:

HD 6970 -- 369 dollars -- GTX 580 -- 499 dollars -- around 35 percent

HD 290X -- 549 dollars -- GTX 780ti -- 699 dollars -- around 28 percent

Both the HD 6970 and HD 290x offered more ram.


Ultimately the market will decide as both AMD and nVidia are asking more for their products.

 

[Face2Face]

It has some truth to it. There are some people who went with Titan, then to overclocked 780s, and now are getting the 780 Ti. All the while NVidia execs are sitting in their plush office chairs twirling their curly mustaches and laughing maniacally.

http://i.dlisted.com/files/openpostmel.jpg

 

[moonbogg]

Maybe already stated, but this is from Guru3D, "Even with BF4 in UHD / Ultra 4xMSAA we already are filling that framebuffer close to 3GB. Future games will get UHD texture packs and I forsee that 3GB utilization will be breached."

Pretty obvious at this point. A card this powerful and at this price, more expensive than any competitor product, and only having 3gb of Ram? This card, while fast, will soon be useless for higher resolution gaming, its intended purpose really. I see the R9 290 as the only option at this point that actually makes any sense. I am itching so terribly for aftermarket 290's to drop. Two of those at 1080p will have some serious longevity and at a price that's far less than painful considering what you get.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Maybe already stated, but this is from Guru3D, "Even with BF4 in UHD / Ultra 4xMSAA we already are filling that framebuffer close to 3GB. Future games will get UHD texture packs and I forsee that 3GB utilization will be breached."

Pretty obvious at this point. A card this powerful and at this price, more expensive than any competitor product, and only having 3gb of Ram? This card, while fast, will soon be useless for higher resolution gaming, its intended purpose really. I see the R9 290 as the only option at this point that actually makes any sense. I am itching so terribly for aftermarket 290's to drop. Two of those at 1080p will have some serious longevity and at a price that's far less than painful considering what you get.

Uhd is 4k? Are you going to run 4k before 20nm comes?

 

[OCGuy]

It has some truth to it. There are some people who went with Titan, then to overclocked 780s, and now are getting the 780 Ti. All the while NVidia execs are sitting in their plush office chairs twirling their curly mustaches and laughing maniacally.

I feel what NVidia did is much better than the alternative: Not releasing any new cards for almost 2 years.

I just don't see how putting out a product, giving people the option to purchase it, is somehow evil.

There is a strange line of thought that is unique in the tech world, that if a new faster product is released 2 days after you purchase yours, then suddenly yours is worthless.

 

[OCGuy]

Pretty obvious at this point. A card this powerful and at this price, more expensive than any competitor product, and only having 3gb of Ram? This card, while fast, will soon be useless for higher resolution gaming, its intended purpose really. I see the R9 290 as the only option at this point that actually makes any sense. I am itching so terribly for aftermarket 290's to drop. Two of those at 1080p will have some serious longevity and at a price that's far less than painful considering what you get.

On one hand you want longevity at 1080p, but on the other you are talking about 4k gaming being the deciding factor.


4k = Red Herring

 

[moonbogg]

Uhd is 4k? Are you going to run 4k before 20nm comes?

Not for a few years likely. But the thing is that we are in a time when Vram is important to consider and I feel that 3gb, even at common resolutions will be breached in the next 18 months easily. 4gb affords you the option of waiting to upgrade if you so choose. 3gb may limit you and then you would need to upgrade if you like your games at high settings, even if you have enough GPU power to satisfy you. I like the flexibility and the power of choice that AMD products afford their customers.
People with two 7970's are still doing perfectly fine at any common resolution. 670, 680 owners may not be in the same boat.

EDIT: @ OCguy regarding red herring

Do you feel that I am being dishonest or trying to lie in order to put down the Nvidia product? No one has been more loyal of an Nvidia fan that I have been. I am expressing my concerns regarding their products as of late, the 780ti in particular considering its power and vram levels. My Vram has run out at 1080p several times already over the last few years using high end Nvidia products. AMD products don't suffer from this and this is something that is important to me. My opinion of AMD has changed regarding their GPU's and I consider them a wiser choice for my next upgrade.

 

[tg2708]

I feel what NVidia did is much better than the alternative: Not releasing any new cards for almost 2 years.

I just don't see how putting out a product, giving people the option to purchase it, is somehow evil.

There is a strange line of thought that is unique in the tech world, that if a new faster product is released 2 days after you purchase yours, then suddenly yours is worthless.

The thing is nvidia could have released a fully unlocked chip after the titan but because amd never had a product to compete in the upper high end segment they chose not to. This card is strictly a reponse to the 290x because had they released this before amd launched theirs (which they could have) the current crown would still be amd's hands. So by the looks of it nvidia has squeezed every last bit of power out of their current chip so any substantial or noticeable improvements (not talking just a few fps here) will need to come from a different architecture.

 

[OCGuy]

Not for a few years likely. But the thing is that we are in a time when Vram is important to consider and I feel that 3gb, even at common resolutions will be breached in the next 18 months easily. 4gb affords you the option of waiting to upgrade if you so choose. 3gb may limit you and then you would need to upgrade if you like your games at high settings, even if you have enough GPU power to satisfy you. I like the flexibility and the power of choice that AMD products afford their customers.
People with two 7970's are still doing perfectly fine at any common resolution. 670, 680 owners may not be in the same boat.

So people with 1GB of VRAM are doing fine on November 8th, 2013, but magically 3GB will be a bottleneck in 18 months?


Ehhhhh.....that would leave 99% of gamers with a card that cant handle new games. Not going to happen.

 

[moonbogg]

So people with 1GB of VRAM are doing fine on November 8th, 2013, but magically 3GB will be a bottleneck in 18 months?


Ehhhhh.....that would leave 99% of gamers with a card that cant handle new games. Not going to happen.

I understand you disagree with my position. Try to understand that this is my position and I don't speak for others, although others may or may not agree. I have run out of Vram at 1080p with 2gb cards. This happened fast and was unexpected. We have new consoles coming out which may accelerate this trend. If 2gb is cutting it close at 1080p today, and even not being enough in some cases, can you imagine that 3gb may be cutting it close in a year or so? Even if its enough, it may barely be enough which would make some people uncomfortable.
Also, 4K gaming is already on the fast track of becoming more affordable. It would be really nice to game at 1080p today, but if in a year or so if a 4k monitor is released that I can afford, I may enjoy the option of buying one and not worrying about running out of vram, provided the GPUs can handle moderate settings. I may decide to buy a 1440p monitor a year from now where the GPU are certainly capable, and having 4gb would ensure my Vram is also able to handle the demands of the game.

 

[RussianSensation]

Nothing has really changed to me and around the similar 30 percent premium for nVidia's flagship full core:

HD 6970 -- 369 dollars -- GTX 580 -- 499 dollars -- around 35 percent

HD 290 -- 399 dollars -- GTX 780ti -- 699 dollars -- around 75 percent

Nope.

14 pages later and you missed that no one on our forums recommends R9 290X; also your comparison is not valid. 580 was about 18-20% faster than HD6970, while GTX780Ti is only 8-9% faster than R9 290X. To get a delta closer to 18-20%, you must compare the 780Ti to R9 290 where it ends up 15-18% faster. Therefore, the comparison to R9 290X is again invalid for performance reasons if you are going to bring up 6970 vs. 580.

So, we have $399 vs. $699. NV is charging more than double for each % increase in performance compared to 5870 vs. 480 (+18-20%) and 6970 vs. 580 (+18-20%) generations. Worse yet, forget %, you are looking at a straight up difference of $300, even worse than the differential between $299 HD4870 and $499 GTX280 when 280 was faster by 20%.

This is like a repeat of unlocked 6950 in CF vs. 580. Unlocked 6950s ~ HD6990 and that card demolishes a 580 in the majority of modern games. Fast forward 2-3 years and $800 R9 290s will lay waste to $700 GTX780Ti in the majority of next generation games. There are only 2 things saving 780Ti right now: (1) lack of after-market R9 290s (2) NV's loyal fans. HardOCP and other sites which tested SLI are stating the with PCIe CF the stuttering issues are much improved vs. HD7000 series. Thus, under no logical circumstances for PC gaming performance, based on the mathematical formula of expected return and knowing the percentage of games in which CF works in the last 5 years, it is possible to recommend a single 780ti over a pair of 290s with only $100 separating them. On top of that 780Ti has just 3GB of VRAM which means even if 1 game needs more than that in the next 3 years, the 290s are ready to go. When a $299 R9 280X has 3GB of VRAM, it seems like NV is again cutting corners on a $700 card. No excuses. It should have either been $599 or 6GB of VRAM for $699.

Justifying 780Ti's price relative to the Titan also doesn't make sense since the Titan was overpriced for PC gaming from day 1. Even relative to NV's own stack of MSI Lightning 780 for $515 and cards like Galaxy HOF 780, the 780Ti is still piss poor value. To exacerbate the situation, 1600P and multi-monitor gaming will make R9 290s look even better and 780Ti's advantage over MSI Lightning 780 shrink even more.

Buying 780Ti for bragging rights is an emotional decision, not a logical one There is nothing wrong with that of course but then people should stop trying to justify the price of the 780Ti with logic as that's simply a lost cause. It doesn't work. Just say you want the best card for feel good factor and that's the end of it. No argument against that

 

[96Firebird]

14 pages later and you missed that no one on our forums recommends R9 290X...

O RLY?

I'd still get a 290X over a 290. AMD chose to brute force their way through benchmarks in order to attain better marketing value in expense of higher heat, power, and noise.

I'm willing to pay more for more capable hardware in the form of increased SPs. It's the same reason I found it silly that some people with Titans went with 780s at the time of release. For me, more SPs > brute force clocking.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=35710695&postcount=299

 

[Grooveriding]

We saw those numbers a few years ago where it was highlighted that only 3% of all discreet cards sold cost $300 or more. $300 has never accounted for the really high end cards though and would be a more common price point for cards like the 470, 7950, 670 etc. etc. So the guess would be that the top tier halo cards account for a very, very small portion of cards sold.

It would seem a significant portion are being sold to people who want them because it is the fastest card available. It's not about how much faster, just that it is. AMD/Nvidia are well aware that there is that mentality amongst the portion of buyers who get these cards and nvidia surely has released these cards with the expectation that there are many who will go from Titan(s) to 780ti(s).

It's not evil, they just know the market. Titan was a pretty dirty play though imo and strikes me as something that will never be as successful again. If they release another $1000 flagship passed off as a hybrid 'DP/gaming' card, there will certainly be buyers who still line up to buy, but I doubt it will ever sell as well as Titan did because a lot of those same buyers will remember Titan and decide to wait a few months and get the significantly cheaper card they know is coming.

 

[mingsoup]

I have to laugh. The flame wars are hilarious.

I was excited and now I'm not. My 6970's work similar to a r280x when crossfire is scaling. So I can blow 400-700$ for ~20fps more........not exciting. I'll wait for 20nm. I want 400$ to reallY! get me some awesome performance. For 400$ or [for christ alive 700$] I want 1080p max always. No screwing around. It's still not cut and dry.

It seems like games fall into two camps. 60fps is not a problem. Bioshock Infinite. and you will never get 60fps....not a good example but Assasin's Creed 3 [hover around 60fps on a good day]

I guess I just need to earn more money so 700$ for maybe 20 more fps isn't a big deal. I'll upgrade again next year.

But we are making inroads. First time where a single card has ever been faster than my 6970's on a good day. Well except for Titan.

 

[blackened23]

The 780ti is no doubt an awesome card and the single GPU winner - but is it worth 200$ more than an overclocked GTX 780? Hell no. But I agree it's completely nvidia's prerogative to sell whatever they want at whatever price they want. The market will decide, and I will say that 780ti sales largely seemed dormant yesterday.

There's nothing wrong with critiquing the price at all. There's also nothing wrong with NV releasing the card at whatever price they want. Thus these arguments cancel each other out. I don't see why anyone would get offended at a price critique. The price is BS, period. But that's cool - nobody is forcing anyone to buy, and since the GTX 780 overclocked is about the same performance wise and is 200$ cheaper it doesn't really matter. Whoever said the market will decide, that's definitely true.

 

[blackened23]

I have to say that 780Ti is somewhat a low blow at nvidia fans. Some people were hit directly in the "family jewels" upgrading from 780 to 780ti. You bough the same thing again! NV charged you twice for the same product (or 4 times if one went SLI both times).

Who the heck would bother upgrading a 780 to a 780ti? Sorry, anyone with a semblance of intelligence would realize that their 780 is about the same in terms of performance. Nobody is forcing anyone to buy anything, so I don't see how it's a low blow. It's not like nvidia strong arms you into upgrading your GPU every time a new one rolls around...I mean, you have that option if you want but nvidia isn't forcing anything on you.

 

[GaiaHunter]

If they release another $1000 flagship passed off as a hybrid 'DP/gaming' card, there will certainly be buyers who still line up to buy, but I doubt it will ever sell as well as Titan did because a lot of those same buyers will remember Titan and decide to wait a few months and get the significantly cheaper card they know is coming.

Humans don't work that way.

And there are always new humans.

The thing with the 780 Ti is that it is not clearly the faster card, especially at the highest resolutions.

 

[SlowSpyder]

I'd be pretty unhappy if my $700 card was a stuttering mess in only a year's time because it didn't come with enough vram. With the new consoles launching in the coming weeks, beefier games are on the horizon. Will 3GB be enough? Maybe, but do you want to take that chance for $700 when a $400 card gives you 33% more vram and can be made every bit as fast with a little effort?

 

[Attic]

Maybe already stated, but this is from Guru3D, "Even with BF4 in UHD / Ultra 4xMSAA we already are filling that framebuffer close to 3GB. Future games will get UHD texture packs and I forsee that 3GB utilization will be breached."

Pretty obvious at this point. A card this powerful and at this price, more expensive than any competitor product, and only having 3gb of Ram? This card, while fast, will soon be useless for higher resolution gaming, its intended purpose really. I see the R9 290 as the only option at this point that actually makes any sense. I am itching so terribly for aftermarket 290's to drop. Two of those at 1080p will have some serious longevity and at a price that's far less than painful considering what you get.

This echoes my thoughts. 3gb is going to last for while for 1080p gaming but 3gb for higher resolutions will be a problem during my expected lifespan (2-3 years) for a card that costs 700.

As a gaming standard higher resolutions will become the norm, we've moved from 1024x768 to 1920x1080 over the years. Next jump for mainstream will be to 1440p or 1600p.

The 3gb on the 780ti will also be a potential problem for folks looking to sell them used down the road.

In a perfect world the 780ti comes with 6gb VRAM at its current price and its an easier recommendation.

 

[3DVagabond]

Reacted with a slightly faster card you mean. Hence the reason it costs more.

No. AMD released a faster card that cost less (290X vs. 780, never mind Titan) and nVidia reacted. That's where we got price cuts, new models, etc... I don't know why anyone would try to spin it an other way?

 

[ocre]

The 780ti is no doubt an awesome card and the single GPU winner - but is it worth 200$ more than an overclocked GTX 780? Hell no. But I agree it's completely nvidia's prerogative to sell whatever they want at whatever price they want. The market will decide, and I will say that 780ti sales largely seemed dormant yesterday.

There's nothing wrong with critiquing the price at all. There's also nothing wrong with NV releasing the card at whatever price they want. Thus these arguments cancel each other out. I don't see why anyone would get offended at a price critique. The price is BS, period. But that's cool - nobody is forcing anyone to buy, and since the GTX 780 overclocked is about the same performance wise and is 200$ cheaper it doesn't really matter. Whoever said the market will decide, that's definitely true.

Absolutely. I think nothing has changed much. Before the 780ti, the $499 gtx 780 with 3 AAA game bundle was hands down the most compelling product in the high end. After the 780ti, the $499 780 still is. There is no one saying go buy the 780ti, it is just another option. If your looking for value and on a budget......DONT BUY THE 780TI!!!!!!!
The plain jane 290 is another option. It is not nearly as elegant and doesnt have a great game bundle. But it will get you high class performance for a lower price. If thats all you care about.