GTX 780 Ti reviews

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Xcobra

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This is why the 290X is disappointing to me. It quickly became apparent that the throttling issues were true and severe for quiet operation, and this has never been the case for any prior AMD GPU. I wanted to like the card. I was excited for it. The reference 290X just doesn't deliver IMO unless you can live with those trade-offs - while the 780ti has no such trade-offs. When you buy a 290X you always have to second guess yourself and ask "can I live with the noise"..."can I live with the worse software".. "can I put up with throttling for quiet fan speeds".. It's all about trade-offs. I find that highly disappointing despite the lower price. Sure, aftermarket designs may fix this but they're not here yet.

Ok, so then, once the non-reference 290Xs come out, I should expect you to not keep complaining about this? I swear, this is all you keep saying.

Anyway, back on topic. High end cards are not for me but the 780Ti was a well executed piece of work. I just bought a 7950 a few months ago so I am tempted to just skip this generation until next year. Decisions, decisions.
 

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I like how somebody can disregard 4K resolution due to it being 1% of the real world yet have the need to talk so much about >$600 cards.
Anybody that can brag about being a part of the 1% GPU but can't be a part of the 1% monitor is [being deceitful] and only does it for bragging rights.

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3DVagabond

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Apparently it still does with DX9 and eyefinity on 7xxx, however as no one uses 4K, NV were caught out napping i guess.

Since Hawaii and Tahiti use the same drivers I think it's a hardware issue. Likely the bandwidth limitation of the crossfire bridge, since that's what's changed between the way the 2 chips implement crossfire. I'm only guessing, of course.
 

SolMiester

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That's the results. When did we give AMD breaks because their drivers weren't as good as nVidia's?

FWIW: Hardware.fr


Here is Hardware.fr's summary @ 1080. The 780ti (non uber) is with stock fan speeds. Notice that the 290X Uber matches the 780ti even at that resolution. It also shows that this talk of the reference Titan cooler doing a better job, isn't all that accurate. Overall it throttles as much as the 290X cooler and needs to be turned up, or have additional fans directed on it, to stop this. Aftermarket coolers, (ACX, Toxic, DCII, etc...) are what's needed for either of these chips.

Didnt know you spoke French 3D...its 1 site 3D......one that I cant read to interpret how the test were performed....
 

Vesku

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Better 1080-1600, realistic, marketable resolutions instead of $500 graphics cards failing utterly to push $3500+ monitors with last gen engines on the cusp of next gen consoles.

Considering there are no faster alternatives anyone running 3-6x1080P or 3x1440P+ or 4K will need to just double, triple or quadruple up on $500-700 GPUs until 20nm high end GPUs show up retail.
 
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Keysplayr

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Hmmmmm. Looks like we have a bit of retaliatory thread derailing here.
 
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blackened23

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Can I ask when a 290 has fan speed settings of 40% and 34%. The only thing your post shows is your lack of comprehension of what is being shown.

lolwut? Nice personal attack, and have you used AMD's CCC? Well, I have, and there's a manual fan slider in there which existed with my 5870s and it is still there with the 290 series. You can set the fan to whatever the heck you want. You always HAVE been able to do this, and you can still do this with the 290.

You're under the impression that the 290 cards are stuck at 47% and nothing else. You can choose whatever fan speed you want - the 40% setting is acceptable in terms of acoustics yet is still worse than most Kepler GPUs in terms of noise. Just so you know, that (40%) is what I generally used with my 7970s; 40% manual fan - It was quiet and I could overclock without a drop in performance.

The difference with the 290 is that if you want a quiet fan profile, well you're screwed, sorry you just lost 11-22% performance. Oh well. That's not an acceptable trade-off and I just can't understand why people are acting like this is okay for a halo GPU. It is not okay. Trade-offs are not okay when you want the best GPU possible as a consumer. Maybe it's okay if you just want a cheap GPU. The fact that the 290 necessitates a performance drop for any type of reasonable acoustical level is one of the many trade-offs that makes it a worse product than the 780OC or 780ti. Like I said. The 290 had potential. AMD screwed the pooch, though, if they had wanted to go all out against Nvidias high end they should have gone ALL OUT. And they didn't. They stopped half way and said "Screw it", and expect consumers to accept the trade-offs.

Also, i'll make this my last post on the 290 subject. This is a 780ti review thread, not a "let's extol the virtues of the 290" thread. I said my piece, i'm done.
 
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SolMiester

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Since Hawaii and Tahiti use the same drivers I think it's a hardware issue. Likely the bandwidth limitation of the crossfire bridge, since that's what's changed between the way the 2 chips implement crossfire. I'm only guessing, of course.

I believe you maybe right there, i read somewhere that the XF bridge was hindering AMD with the 7xxx eyefinity and the bigger data flow. I imagine the same is true for NV...
Lucky 4K doesnt have a big uptake at present if any, so NV may well have this resolved for maxwell.
 

Will Robinson

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I like how somebody can disregard 4K resolution due to it being 1% of the real world yet have the need to talk so much about >$600 cards.
Anybody that can brag about being a part of the 1% GPU but can't be a part of the 1% monitor is [being deceitful] and only does it for bragging rights.

That's an interesting point.
I guess 4K resolution will assume more importance around the time Maxwell arrives.
 
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Plenty of people can afford SLI Titans or even more.. surely they can folk out $2 to $3K for a nice monitor to go with it.. so much firepower is wasted on lesser screens. Not to mention, a year from now, who knows how cheap 4K monitors are.
 

Keysplayr

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Plenty of people can afford SLI Titans or even more.. surely they can folk out $2 to $3K for a nice monitor to go with it.. so much firepower is wasted on lesser screens. Not to mention, a year from now, who knows how cheap 4K monitors are.

Plenty eh? Does that include all of us? Only person I know in here that would "maybe" buy Tri Titans and a 4K screen is AdamK47. Why don't you ask him if he'll drop an additional 3 and a half grand on top of the 3k he spent on his titans for ONE 4K monitor.
He's got green, but I'd be surprised if he did for no substantial gain in image quality. If he has one already, I'd be surprised but I'd also know he would be one of the extreme few who would do this.
 

3DVagabond

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Plenty eh? Does that include all of us? Only person I know in here that would "maybe" buy Tri Titans and a 4K screen is AdamK47. Why don't you ask him if he'll drop an additional 3 and a half grand on top of the 3k he spent on his titans for ONE 4K monitor.
He's got green, but I'd be surprised if he did for no substantial gain in image quality. If he has one already, I'd be surprised but I'd also know he would be one of the extreme few who would do this.

I think I would do that before I bought 3x1600p 30" monitors. The IQ would be marvelous!
 

Keysplayr

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I think I would do that before I bought 3x1600p 30" monitors. The IQ would be marvelous!

Yeah, marvelous. That's what the hype train says. It may offer a bit of a crispier image, but I'll be damned if it's worth 3500 bucks.
And I'm pretty sure I'd choose THREE 30inch monitors for the same money as a Single 30" 4k. Just me though. Even with the bezels. LOL.
 

YBS1

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I don't think a whole lot of people would be willing to drop a high amount of cash on early 4K monitors. Meaning I don't necessarily think it's the price that would stop certain people from buying them so much as the product isn't mature. If you showed a 30" 4K display that could pull 120Hz you may get more takers, but it's hard to convince someone to drop that kind of money when they just know better products will be along shortly for a fraction of the cost.
 

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I don't think a whole lot of people would be willing to drop a high amount of cash on early 4K monitors. Meaning I don't necessarily think it's the price that would stop certain people from buying them so much as the product isn't mature. If you showed a 30" 4K display that could pull 120Hz you may get more takers, but it's hard to convince someone to drop that kind of money when they just know better products will be along shortly for a fraction of the cost.

Not going to happen until the industry standard display connection standards are upped. You can't even do single stream 4k @ 60 hz yet. Tiled displays is some face-palm worthy makeshift almost-fix that's as stupid as thinking multi-gpu is up to par compared to single-gpu.

The fact that the fastest single-stream display connection standard ATM is Dual-link DVI (A standard from 1999) is just embarrassing.
 
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YBS1

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Not going to happen until the industry standard display connection standards are upped. You can't even do single stream 4k @ 60 hz yet.
Exactly my point, single stream is stuck in 30Hz land....no one who actually has the HP to game at 4K is going to do it at 30Hz. If I'm dropping that much cash for a monitor I don't think I'd want to game at 60Hz either.
 

Keysplayr

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So 4k is has actually blown by Hype and is closer to a scam then. I agree that the next gen will be vastly superior and cheaper. Be crazy to buy 4k right now even if you had the money to burn.
 

Gloomy

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You don't need a 4k monitor to render at 4k resolution. The monitor's price is a red herring.

 

Tempered81

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Yeap, gloomy is correct. Downsampling or supersampling will let you go even higher than 4000x2000 in some cases.

I was able to run 8000x3000 in Crysis 1 on a 7950. Usually there is a limit with SSAA tool or Downsampling GUI/ CRI that has to do with custom resolutions and monitor frequency & timings. With custom monitor drivers some of those common limits are like 3840x2160 and 2730x1512. Took hours of messing about to get crysis to internally render 8000x3000. I just wanted to max it out and see if it was possible. Took some 250mb tiled rendered 20,000x10,000 pixel screenshots of it too. haha <3 crytek

Battlefield 4 has an option in the video menu to cram 4k into a 1080P screen.
 

Vesku

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So 4k is has actually blown by Hype and is closer to a scam then. I agree that the next gen will be vastly superior and cheaper. Be crazy to buy 4k right now even if you had the money to burn.

Well, some people want us to buy them.

"This gives you the raw speed and performance to take on next-generation technologies like 4K, and experience the fastest, smoothest and most advanced Battlebox gaming possible—now, and in the future."

http://www.geforce.com/landing-page/geforce-gtx-battlebox
 
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