I don't think a whole lot of people would be willing to drop a high amount of cash on early 4K monitors. Meaning I don't necessarily think it's the price that would stop certain people from buying them so much as the product isn't mature. If you showed a 30" 4K display that could pull 120Hz you may get more takers, but it's hard to convince someone to drop that kind of money when they just know better products will be along shortly for a fraction of the cost.
That's an interesting point.
I guess 4K resolution will assume more importance around the time Maxwell arrives.
lolwut? Nice personal attack, and have you used AMD's CCC? Well, I have, and there's a manual fan slider in there which existed with my 5870s and it is still there with the 290 series. You can set the fan to whatever the heck you want. You always HAVE been able to do this, and you can still do this with the 290.
You're under the impression that the 290 cards are stuck at 47% and nothing else. You can choose whatever fan speed you want - the 40% setting is acceptable in terms of acoustics yet is still worse than most Kepler GPUs in terms of noise. Just so you know, that (40%) is what I generally used with my 7970s; 40% manual fan - It was quiet and I could overclock without a drop in performance.
The difference with the 290 is that if you want a quiet fan profile, well you're screwed, sorry you just lost 11-22% performance. Oh well. That's not an acceptable trade-off and I just can't understand why people are acting like this is okay for a halo GPU. It is not okay. Trade-offs are not okay when you want the best GPU possible as a consumer. Maybe it's okay if you just want a cheap GPU. The fact that the 290 necessitates a performance drop for any type of reasonable acoustical level is one of the many trade-offs that makes it a worse product than the 780OC or 780ti. Like I said. The 290 had potential. AMD screwed the pooch, though, if they had wanted to go all out against Nvidias high end they should have gone ALL OUT. And they didn't. They stopped half way and said "Screw it", and expect consumers to accept the trade-offs.
Also, i'll make this my last post on the 290 subject. This is a 780ti review thread, not a "let's extol the virtues of the 290" thread. I said my piece, i'm done.
Hey blackened23 are you going to upgrade to 780Ti? I am having an upgrade itch but I know it is stupid.
Yea its a bit stupid seeing that you are running two 780 in sli which in no doubt beats a single ti but then again who am I to tell anyone how to spend their money . Benchmark scores have been pretty good but it has to be expected since its a fully unlocked chip and probably the best nvidia has to offer at this time.
Why do you always moan at the price, its been said before that many people view NV as a superior product, performance, design, features and stability out of the box.
Truth is, price is the only thing AMD can beat NV on, and only because the later chooses.
I have a single 780, wanted to grab one when the price dropped but at the same time 780Ti surfaced lol, decisions decisions :'(
Not going to happen until the industry standard display connection standards are upped. You can't even do single stream 4k @ 60 hz yet. Tiled displays is some face-palm worthy makeshift almost-fix that's as stupid as thinking multi-gpu is up to par compared to single-gpu.
The fact that the fastest single-stream display connection standard ATM is Dual-link DVI (A standard from 1999) is just embarrassing.
Has this been posted yet?
Gigabyte GTX 780 Ti OC & Gigabyte GTX 780 GHz Edition Review
http://www.techspot.com/review/738-gigabyte-geforce-gtx-780-ti-ghz/
I find it funny when the top cards from both camps come very close to outperforming the dual chips.They should really discontinue them, it is embarrassing for sure
Must have a lot of games that don't scale well on two GPUs for that to occur. Also, could happen given the low vram on the 690 and the resolution tested.
But these huge die GPUs are great once OC, no doubt about it.
Why? Oh let's see there is 1 product that offers 87% of the performance for $300 less or 50-60% more performance for $100 more. If price is not a factor, why in the world are you using such cheap videocard? Or why is it 95% of PC gamers buy GPUs in the $499 and below price range? Is that a coincidence? You keep saying I "moan" about the price? Not really. It's more like I try to give good advice for PC gamers to not waste money unnecessarily; and I have been doing this consistently over the years. Unless a PC gamer is swimming in money, it hardly makes sense to buy a single GPU for $700 unless upgrade costs are a non-factor. And guess what, I was right about Titan/780 and 770 4GB being overpriced. I was one of the most vocal PC gamers that said all 3 of these cards needed price drops based on the technology price/performance curve and historical data of nodes. If you listened to what I was saying for the last 6-8 months, you just saved yourself $600 USD by not buying a Titan and about $300 from not getting a $700 GTX780. And why was waiting worth it this time? Because we knew NV took full advantage of AMD playing catch up and also there was not a single next generation PC game on the horizon. The next big game to upgrade for this year was BF4. You could have paid $650-700 for 780 or $1000 for a Titan or $900 for 770 4GB SLI and all that performance was largely wasted as the 2 most demanding games this year were Crysis 3 and Metro:LL - both SP games! Why not wait for when the market reaches a more reasonable price/performance equilibrium? It finally did with $400 R9 290.
Now BF4 comes out and R9 290 gives 780 beating level of performance for $400. So what did $300 spend on 780 gave you up to now? Not much unless you wanted SSAA in old games or had to crank up the settings more in 2 SP games with rather short campaigns.
Now you have this:
I am saying the exact same thing now about 780Ti. Yet, the same people that moaned on 7970's price or hailed 680 undercutting 7970 by only $50 are now defending these huge price premiums from NV. You can go ahead and recommend 780Ti at $700 but it's not even remotely future proof against 2x 290s. In HardOCP's testing, the 780Ti failed to provide much more playability. So what's the point?
You say that the ONLY thing AMD offers over NV is the price advantage. I find it funny you ignore price every single time. Money grows on trees in New Zealand? You realize a PC gamer is being asked to pay $300 for less than 20% increase on 780ti over R9 290. Why is NV forgiven for such price premiums? What double standard is this because they have PhysX, CUDA and 3D Vision, they can tack on 75% price premiums? :whiste:
If you need more performance, why not grab a 2nd 780? You think 780Ti will give you that next level of gaming settings over an overclocked 780? In the most demanding games, that 20% performance is a drop in the bucket when a 2nd 780 will give you 80%+ more performance. I wouldn't upgrade to 780Ti in your case.
Why is NV forgiven for such price premiums?
Hey blackened23 are you going to upgrade to 780Ti? I am having an upgrade itch but I know it is stupid.
Holy wow. Just noticed this. Actual performance gained from overclocking a reference 780ti: nearly 19%.
Cannot wait to see what non ref PCB's do with this bad boy, this almost makes me want to buy a 780ti. I just might since it's actually beating or tying the 690 in benchmarks while overclocked. That is actually, like, almost double 680 performance. Insane.
Default clock on the ref 780ti is 850mhz. Not familiar with the potential of these cards, but are you saying they should typically do over a 50% OC?Cards should be hitting 1300/1350 or more, but they're artificially limited with the silly bios Nvidia has been using since Kepler launched.
Default clock on the ref 780ti is 850mhz. Not familiar with the potential of these cards, but are you saying they should typically do over a 50% OC?
Gigabyte Windforce 780Ti review - the reason to go for custom cooled cards.
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/gigabyte_geforce_gtx_780_ti_windforce_3x_review.html