GTX 780 Ti reviews

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blackened23

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Yeah, I think 1-2% is accurate. Here's a clock speed over time chart for the 780ti with AUTO FAN:



This also matches my experience with the Kepler. The throttling even with auto fan is so minimal as that it doesn't cause any perceptible performance variance.
 
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Yeah, I think 1-2% is accurate. Here's a clock speed over time chart for the 780ti with AUTO FAN:



This also matches my experience with the Kepler.

Looks like ~4% to me on the reference card.. maybe under Tom's testing he finds more variance. That could be the only reason why they would bother to do tests with manual fan settings. Unless they just love to do multiple modes for the hell of it..
 

Hauk

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Incorrect. The fan sucks air in through the center and expels it in all directions. That includes the back of the card.

This. Blade orientation, rotation direction, static pressure. Someone with one grab a sheet of bathroom tissue and loosely hold it over the opening:
 
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BallaTheFeared

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ABT review (100% fan speed) OC.

http://alienbabeltech.com/main/powercolor-r9-290x-oc-vs-gtx-780-ti-overclocking-gloves-come/

R9 290X Quiet mode is actually louder than an overclocked GTX 780 Ti under full load with 70% fan profile.
Benching the R9 290X at 100% fan is irritating. It is very much like gaming with a nearby hairdryer running non-stop on high. No closed headphones will block it completely, and you can easily hear the card running in the next room even with a door shut. In contrast, the fan of the GTX 780 Ti at 100% is acceptable; it is about as loud as the 290X running at 60%. The GTX 780 Ti fan frequencies are much less irritating even at 100%, it is more a "whoosh" of air instead of the droning noise of the 290X.
 

Zanovar

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can you give me the max clocks of those cards?,im unable to hit that site(this happens often)sort it out apop.nvm
 
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BallaTheFeared

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I think he did it out of fairness.

With Uber it will drag up to 55%, which isn't much of a leap to the 60% fan speed which he feels produces similar noise to the 780 Ti at 100%.

People benchmarking them will of course, not sure how many will for daily gaming but it would seem anyone willing to run uber 290x should be equally willing to run their 780 Ti at 100% fan duty.
 

MrK6

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I believe even an Stock Titan will win against the MaxOced 290X on this test. No way OCed 290x will win against OCed 780Ti, but this results are doubtful!
ABT is a joke, I wouldn't waste your time. Its owner hasn't the first clue about hardware and got laughed off these forums (which says A LOT, really). I'm not sure why people post its content here besides for laughs.
 

Zanovar

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ABT is a joke, I wouldn't waste your time. Its owner hasn't the first clue about hardware and got laughed off these forums (which says A LOT, really). I'm not sure why people post its content here besides for laughs.

Bit harsh chief.the more data the more fun for me*shrugs*
 

RussianSensation

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ABT review (100% fan speed) OC.


I am sorry but those benchmarks are highly, highly suspect.

Look at them:

Serious Sam 3 1080p - R9 Uber Max OC is slower than at stock. :sneaky:

Alan Wake - R9 290X can run this game at 8xMSAA and hit near 50 fps. In this case, R9 290 Uber is 29% faster than Titan and still 17% faster than Titan at a 1Ghz!! Instead the OP chooses to use FXAA which skews results in favour of the GTX780Ti but this isn't the highest playable settings that can be achieved.

Borderlands 2 - GTX780 Ti OC is 2.6x faster than max overclocked R9 and it's running PhysX too? Now how is R9 max oc only has a 6.6% performance hit going from 1080p to 1600p but the 780Ti oc has a whopping 31% performance hit? What?!! Also, R9 max OC only gains 0.1 fps at 1600p? How is that even possible.

Aliens: CM - again, the tester is using FXAA but the performance is so high, MSAA should have been used. FXAA in this game on such powerful GPUs? Should be using 8xMSAA or SSAA with so much performance left. Again, this calls into question why the author left the setting in FXAA mode.

Crysis 1 - is this the only review on the web where NV is running C1 much faster than AMD? This is a major red flag as Crysis 1 and Crysis Warhead has for half a decade ran faster on AMD hardware and yet here 780Ti is easly pulling away. Not at AT, not at TPU. This is an very suspect result.

Call of Pripyat - 2xAA only on such powerful GPUs? Should be using 8xMSAA or SSAA with so much performance left. Again, this calls into question why the author left the AA only at 2x.

Shogun 2 - The OP is using an older game that has seen been replaced by Total War Rome 2. Why? It's highly suspect that there is a 20 fps difference in this title but in TWR2 R9 290X and 780Ti are very close per AT.

Batman AC - Holly cow made up test numbers..... HD7970Ghz gets 66 fps MAXED OUT at 1600P with 4xMSAA and it's faster than GTX680 too. This guy manages to get 57 fps on an overclocked R9 290X at 1080P with 8xMSAA. If you don't see anything wrong with this picture, I don't know what to say.

Max Payne 3 - Does not seem believable. This game has ran faster on AMD cards for a long time now. In his testing the 780Ti oc is outperforming R9 290 oc by nearly 30%.

Dirt Showdown - He isn't running this game maxed out and hasn't enabled all the features such as global illumination. Useless numbers. Why did he disable this DirectCompute features in the benchmark? The answer is obvious.

Sniper Elite V2 - 7970GE easily competes with GTX680 in this benchmark. In his results the 780 is beating R9 by more than 30%. Say what? This benchmark has not favored NV hardware. If anything, for a long time it ran faster on AMD hardware and it took NV several driver updates and game patches to catch up.

Sleeping Dogs - Another major red flag. This is not even remotely believable. First of all how can R9 290X gain just 0.8 fps from overclocking? Secondly, the SSAA uses Compute Shaders which favours GCN architecture. 780Ti and R9 290 should be trading blows here.

.... I am just going to skip to two tests that jump out as well. In TR and Metro LL, R9 290X and 780Ti are very close, and yet in his results, they are miles apart in favour of the NV GPU. Now one might say, well these results are not comparable since different settings are used. Guess what, [H] OCP used the highest playable settings and R9 290X and 780Ti achieved near parity, only 780Ti having an advantage in MLL due to PhysX. However, Guru3D has ran Metro LL without it and R9 290X is just 2 fps behind 780Ti at 1440p.

So many games and the results are so far apart from so many other sites. Also, knowing the extreme NV biased of ABT in the last 3 years, it's hard to take any of their results seriously.

I am not going to bother doing more due diligence but it's fairly easy to see that those ABT results are just off the rails.

Bit harsh chief.the more data the more fun for me*shrugs*

True if the data presented can be trusted and is from a non-biased source. ABT fails on both accounts based on cross-reference to top 5 reputable GPU review sites. In the past, their results were alright but after apoppin went on a rampage post HD7970 launch and labelled our forum as infested with AMD viral marketers, that site lost all objectivity and credibility. It's basically NV's version of AMD Zone. The best thing that ever happened to ABT was BFG writing reviews for them. Now why would someone so knowledgeable and so thorough with GPU reviews leave?
 
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blackened23

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I don't really trust that guy at all - the anti AMD stuff he spews on his forum would be cool for an average person, i'd have no problem with it. But it isn't what I expect from a reviewer. Certainly if Ryan Smith did the same thing on this forum it would raise eyebrows. Or Ryan Shrout - if he came here spewing anti AMD garbage 24/7 would it cause alarms? Yeah, yeah it would. Some of the stuff that guy has done should not be done by any professional that wants to be taken seriously.

As a preface, I think the 780ti is a downright superior product and it is absolutely faster than the 290X, especially Oc to OC. I also vastly prefer nvidia these days over AMD for delivering a more complete and better user experience.

That said, some of those games should not perform higher by that margin on NV hardware. These games have been shown time and time again to favor AMD hardware, so I do agree that some of it is suspect. I basically don't trust that guy to give honest reviews based on the garbage i've seen him spew, he isn't objective or professional. Period. I really wouldn't put it past him to fudge numbers either. I think I saw on his site a long time ago, crysis numbers higher on a 680 than a 7970, which basically doesn't happen since crysis 1 / WH favors AMD by a big margin. Basically, take anything and everything from that guy with a grain of salt IMHO.
 
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AdamK47

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I believe even an Stock Titan will win against the MaxOced 290X on this test. No way OCed 290x will win against OCed 780Ti, but this results are doubtful!

A stock Titan will win against a 290X in other ways. For one, the Titan user gets to keep his sanity. 290X heat, noise, and power usage is just too much. AMD tried to market these cards based on benchmark numbers alone. Nothing else seemed to matter.
 

AdamK47

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I think the lower than expected numbers for the overclocked 290X in that review are caused by throttling.
 

BallaTheFeared

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I think the lower than expected numbers for the overclocked 290X in that review are caused by throttling.

According to him there was some minor throttling, if you read the review he could have went higher but the results would have been lower fps due to throttling.

The guy does a swath of games and tried to keep it constant with 100% fan speed on the R290X - no doubt a maddening level of sound. Presumably some titles used more power than others, and some might have exhibited some throttle whereas others didn't.
 

SlowSpyder

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I trust GPU reviews by apoppin about as much as I trust marketing slide benchmarks from AMD or Nvidia.
 

parvadomus

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That review is pure BS and heavily biased. I dont doubt 780TI is faster than 290X but that numbers are just stupid.
But its easy to see what he did, he "OCed" both cards to the max, the 290X with the garbage cooler just throttles most of the time (it was already barely capable to avoid throttle at 60% to maintain a 1Ghz speed, what can we expect about a 1160Mhz core clock.). For this point, why not he just watercooled both chips and OCed them to the max? We want to know actual chip differences not stress to the max the stupid reference coolers.
Then he added to that biased settings, like avoiding MSAA, enabling physics to the max (running 100% on CPU for 290X), and that kind of stuff.
Add to this weird results like Metro LL, or Crysis 1, where the "reviewer" probably put a finger in 290X fan to make it throttle like HELL during the test
 

blackened23

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ohhh my... ohhh my....

I'm sure it's true. Nvidia went through extrodinary efforts in the engineering of the 690/Titan/780 shroud and it shows. Toms has an article on the story behind the development of it, you should give it a read. Nvidia spared no effort in making it and like I said - that effort shows. Anyone with direct experience more or less knows this. It's not the cheapest cooler but in terms of acoustics it is hands down amazing.

Besides which, anyone that has used both reference coolers can basically collaborate this. The AMD version gets loud at about 45%. I'd say 75% is where the Titan/780 shroud becomes that perceptible, but the sound is different. The AMD makes a "whirring and whooshing" blow dryer noise that the Titan shroud doesn't at high fan RPMs.
 
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Erenhardt

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Besides which, anyone that has used both reference coolers can basically collaborate this. The AMD version gets loud at about 45%. I'd say 75% is where the Titan/780 shroud becomes that perceptible, but the sound is different. The AMD makes a "whirring and whooshing" blow dryer noise that the Titan shroud doesn't at high fan RPMs.

Yea, yea, smoothness - We know...
 
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