GTX 780 Ti reviews

[Chumster]

You should call the GTX 780Ti what it is: the bell cow card from nVidia. It's going to carry a stiff penalty (in cost) to wear the single-fastest crown. They have no intention of targeting the budget inclined buyer at the $500+ range and they know name-brand (rightfully earned?) goes a long way. People will buy the top-end card from nVidia just because they can - see the Titan for examples.

Is it a better value than the 290/290x? Hell no. But most people don't need either of those cards either if the Steam Hardware survey is anywhere close to an accurate representation.

Nothing like blatantly unconstitutional laws to remind yourself you live in the great US of A. Where the Federal Government maintains more strained relations with it's provinces than it does with it's foreign provinces.

Not to completely derail but the recent Amazon tax change is happening at the state level (13 to be exact) not the Federal, though a bill is floating around that would require taxing on ALL internet sales. My state - Virginia - just recently adopted the tax as well.

 

[Cloudfire777]

We all knew it was going to be fast. What is important is how quickly AMD responds with aftermarket coolers on their cards now. I would imagine they are coming VERY soon.

That 8-10% lead will shrink once Hawaii is kept cool. Then we may be graced with another Nvidia price drop across the board.

AMD don`t have to do anything.
They may not be interested in having the fastest single GPU out there. They care about money, and R9 290 priced at $400 will cater for those performance/price gang.

In the meantime, enthusiasts who wants to have the best, and those who are loyal to Nvidia, or the people who don`t care about performance/price, will buy the GTX 780 Ti.

The more I look at it, the more I realize that R9 290X is dead in the water. What matters now is R9 290 and GTX 780 Ti.

 

[24601]

Buy a $700 card.
Use a $200 monitor.

A single card gets 60fps at 2560x1600 HQ in Metro, Bioshock, BF3, Crysis 3.
Can't be bothered to go through the rest.

Why show 1080p/1200p when a single card already exceeds 60fps at a higher resolution?
These are high end cards that perform more than fast enough at 1600p to break 60fps, which is why they don't show lower resolutions.

If the 780 is faster, then it gets more frames above 60 than the AMD card. But both still get above 60, so they don't bother benching it.

It's a $700 card, it gets $500 monitor resolutions, not $200 monitor resolutions.

The only thing they are missing out on is benching using a 120Hz monitor to show whether it would be effective at using the extra refresh rate, but I can't recall many articles on 120Hz monitors, but lots on high res setups.
AT focuses on high res more than high Hz, and that's reflected in their benchmarks.

If you are buying this card for 1080p, it better be for a 120Hz monitor.

1080p is plenty relevant especially when the first G-Sync monitor is a 144hz 1080p monitor.

 

[Teizo]

We all knew it was going to be fast. What is important is how quickly AMD responds with aftermarket coolers on their cards now. I would imagine they are coming VERY soon.

That 8-10% lead will shrink once Hawaii is kept cool. Then we may be graced with another Nvidia price drop across the board.

Not sure those aftermarket cards will be coming any time soon:

"Radeon R9 290X from partner manufacturers, at best, before the end of the year - lack of graphics card"

http://translate.google.hr/translat...-innan-arsskiftet-brist-pa-grafikkort&act=url

 

[VulgarDisplay]

AMD don`t have to do anything.
They may not be interested in having the fastest single GPU out there. They care about money, and R9 290 priced at $400 will cater for those performance/price gang.

In the meantime, enthusiasts who wants to have the best, and those who are loyal to Nvidia, or the people who don`t care about performance/price, will buy the GTX 780 Ti.

Will they buy the 780Ti if an aftermarket cooler gets the 290x within 1-2% for $150 less? What about the 290 withing 5% for $300 less?

AMD needs to hurry up and do everyone a favor. Get their AIB's to properly cool their cards and push out OC'd models. Once that happens there is no way Nvidia can keep this card priced at $700.

I would not be in a rush to buy this card. Especially until we see what Mantle does in December. I may be biased in that statement, but it has nothing to do with GPU's and everything to do with BF4 being the only game I will really play for the next 2-3 years.

 

[24601]

You should call the GTX 780Ti what it is: the bell cow card from nVidia. It's going to carry a stiff penalty (in cost) to wear the single-fastest crown. They have no intention of targeting the budget inclined buyer at the $500+ range and they know name-brand (rightfully earned?) goes a long way. People will buy the top-end card from nVidia just because they can - see the Titan for examples.

Is it a better value than the 290/290x? Hell no. But most people don't need either of those cards either if the Steam Hardware survey is anywhere close to an accurate representation.



Not to completely derail but the recent Amazon tax change is happening at the state level (13 to be exact) not the Federal, though a bill is floating around that would require taxing on ALL internet sales. My state - Virginia - just recently adopted the tax as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commerce_Clause

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tariffs_in_United_States_history

During the Revolution, the British blockade from 1775 to 1783 largely ended foreign trade. In the 1783–89 period, each state set up its own trade rules, often imposing tariffs or restrictions on neighboring states. The new Constitution, which went into effect in 1789, banned interstate tariffs or trade restrictions, as well as state taxes on exports.

By explicit I mean explicit (I used the phrase blatantly in my previous post).

This ain't "interpreting" or anything like that.

 

[Teizo]

I would not be in a rush to buy this card. Especially until we see what Mantle does in December. I may be biased in that statement, but it has nothing to do with GPU's and everything to do with BF4 being the only game I will really play for the next 2-3 years.

People who buy Nvidia will not give a damn about Mantle because when G-Sync monitors become widely available the E-Penis contest about who gets the most fps will not be as relevant any more.

 

[rtsurfer]

I noticed this at the B3d forum:

BitTech was able to achieve ~ 20% extra performance on the reference GTX 780 Ti through overclocking: http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2013/11/07/nvidia-gtx-780-ti-3gb-review/11 .

TPU was also able to achieve ~ 18% extra performance through overclocking, and they used the default voltage and fan speed settings: http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_780_Ti/30.html .

At that performance level, it is really close to GTX 690.

Still waiting for you to answer this..

Right here. Although I don't have the time to read the whole thread.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2320731

Could you search and give me some posts, because it was you who was using it to make your point.

I skimmed the overclockers.net 780/Titan owners thread. Couldn't find much about temperatures.

Or do you admit that you were wrong..??

 

[SPBHM]

full GK110 finally!

the card perform as expected, it have a clear enough advantage over the 290x, but I can see why they've waited so long, power and noise is not that far from the 290x level I think...

it's a shame they didn't go with 6GB.

I would be curious to see a 290 (non X) with a custom cooler and some nice OC going against this, because it's $300 cheaper (maybe a not as much with custom cooler+pcb).

 

[Lonyo]

1080p is plenty relevant especially when the first G-Sync monitor is a 144hz 1080p monitor.

GSync? That thing that isn't out yet.
Next up, we complain about AT not benching the Mantle version of BF4!

 

[24601]

GSync? That thing that isn't out yet.
Next up, we complain about AT not benching the Mantle version of BF4!

Maybe if you ask AMD nicely, they will give an exclusive preview to Anandtech .

 

[ams23]

Still waiting for you to answer this.

Don't you have anything better to do with your time? My goodness. You linked to the wrong thread. The thread I am talking about is much more recent. Go ask Titan owners here in a new thread to find the proper link for you.

 

[Vesku]

How many people run 4k resolutions? It is not that relevant yet to make such a fuss.

Well, when you are discussing a $700 card I bet the percent running 4K or multi-monitor equivalent is a lot higher then the overall gaming statistics.

 

[Chumster]

By explicit I mean explicit (I used the phrase blatantly in my previous post).

This ain't "interpreting" or anything like that.

What law is explicitly unconstitutional?

 

[rtsurfer]

Don't you have anything better to do with your time? My goodness. You linked to the wrong thread. The thread I am talking about is much more recent. Go ask Titan owners here in a new thread to find the proper link for you.

I do have more things to do. Leaving for work right now...

Its just that if you claim something, you have to defend your claim with proper facts.

Instead of dodging the question like you are doing right now.

Or admit that you didn't know what you were talking about..

 

[ams23]

I do have more things to do. Leaving for work right now.

I really don't think you actually have better things to do, but anyway that's what you say. You are wrong about this, period. Since you only signed up here last month, you don't know what I am even talking about. Ask some Titan owners around here for more info.

 

[PPB]

People who buy Nvidia will not give a damn about Mantle because when G-Sync monitors become widely available the E-Penis contest about who gets the most fps will not be as relevant any more.

Effective response times and the lowest frametimes are always important for competitive play, and those are affected by FPS. Being able to see your opponent faster by having both a high hz monitor with high response time and a card able to dump as much fps too is their primary concern. Guess at who those 144hz panels are designed?

Gsync is great for the average guy that cant sustain 60fps in his desired game and doesnt care about competitive play, or the hardware enthusiast that actually cares about IQ and having a tearing-free experience (i think this is the G-Sync main demographic sector they are aiming at IMO). Competitive players, who happen to dig a lot those 144hz monitors, actually buy them to exploit the advantage of halved response times as much as possible, so they also happen to care about having as much as FPS possible. They dont care about tearing, IQ most often than not hinders their ability to spot enemies and thus run almost everything at low (they tend to only max viewing distance settings in games tho).

FPS will always be relevant. I am amazed how something like vsync, that by Nvidia self imposed limitations can only cater to like 5% of the monitor population, can make a paradigm shift as big as the one claimed by my quoted post.

I praise NV skill at deviating the focus at their perceived strenghts , but sometimes that skill bites them in the rear. I recall NV suddenly pushing 4K resolutions hard, after discovering AMD woes with crossfire at 4k res, now that AMD has both a better card for 4K in single setups and a better scaling and frame times at multi GPU in 4k too, 1080p 144hz is the new fad to hype for, lol.

 

[rtsurfer]

I really don't think you actually have better things to do, but anyway that's what you say. You are wrong about this, period. Since you only signed up here last month, you don't know what I am even talking about. Ask some Titan owners around here for more info.

If I am wrong than prove it.

Can't do that..??

And so now we are going to decide who is right based on how long we have signed up on this forum..???

Real mature....

 

[24601]

Effective response times and the lowest frametimes are always important for competitive play, and those are affected by FPS. Being able to see your opponent faster by having both a high hz monitor with high response time and a card able to dump as much fps too is their primary concern. Guess at who those 144hz panels are designed?

Gsync is great for the average guy that cant sustain 60fps in his desired game and doesnt care about competitive play, or the hardware enthusiast that actually cares about IQ and having a tearing-free experience (i think this is the G-Sync main demographic sector they are aiming at IMO). Competitive players, who happen to dig a lot those 144hz monitors, actually buy them to exploit the advantage of halved response times as much as possible, so they also happen to care about having as much as FPS possible. They dont care about tearing, IQ most often than not hinders their ability to spot enemies and thus run almost everything at low (they tend to only max viewing distance settings in games tho).

FPS will always be relevant. I am amazed how something like vsync, that by Nvidia self imposed limitations can only cater to like 5% of the monitor population, can make a paradigm shift as big as the one claimed by my quoted post.

I praise NV skill at deviating the focus at their perceived strenghts , but sometimes that skill bites them in the rear. I recall NV suddenly pushing 4K resolutions hard, after discovering AMD woes with crossfire at 4k res, now that AMD has both a better card for 4K in single setups and a better scaling and frame times at multi GPU in 4k too, 1080p 144hz is the new fad to hype for, lol.

G-sync lowers frame latency to the eyes as well. I'm betting competitive players will care about that. With G-Sync, the image is drawn immediately when it reaches the monitor, not whenever the monitor feels like drawing it (how monitor refresh rates work now).

 

[VulgarDisplay]

People who buy Nvidia will not give a damn about Mantle because when G-Sync monitors become widely available the E-Penis contest about who gets the most fps will not be as relevant any more.

LOL

Mantle isn't just about gaining FPS. It's about dramatically increasing image quality as well. If they can make 9-10x as many draw calls that translates into much more detailed game worlds.

I think that aspect of Mantle will likely suffer the same fate as Physx though because it would too drastically change games across hardware. A pity really.

 

[ams23]

now that AMD has both a better card for 4K in single setups and a better scaling and frame times at multi GPU in 4k too, 1080p 144hz is the new fad to hype for, lol.

That is not necessarily the case, and very much game dependent. According to the PCPer review on GTX 780 Ti:

[In Battlefield 3 at 4k resolution, R9 290X in Crossfire] matches the average frame rate result of the 780 Ti cards in SLI. However, the frame time variance of the CrossFire solution is still noticeably worse.

[In BioShock Infinite at 4k resolution]: Even though AMD's 290X cards have a better average frame rate and lower frame times, the variance in those frames is noticeably higher again. Take a look at the width of the blue line (780 Ti SLI) and the orange line (290X CrossFire) and you'll see that NVIDIA tends to be more consistent, making the average frame rate less of a victory for AMD than it might otherwise be.

[In Crysis 3 at 4k resolution]: The average frame rate of the 290X cards in CrossFire is much better, and in truth even the "high" frame times are better than the best frame times on the SLI configuration, but the variances are quite high between frames. The result is a consistently less "smooth" animation while playing the game on our 4K tiled display.

[In Sykrim at 4k resolultion]:
SLI has issues scaling with Skyrim at 4K but nothing compared to the variance problems that CrossFire still has with DX9 games in Eyefinity (or 4K tiled monitors).

Note that Metro: Last Night shows no scaling at 4k resolutions right now with SLI, but that is supposed to be fixed in a future driver update.

 

[Subyman]

I'm kind of disappointed that Ryan based his analysis of the 780 Ti on the "quiet mode" of the R9 290X. We know its loud, but I'd have to think most gamers aren't going to run their GPU in "quiet mode" for gaming.

 

[Lonyo]

Maybe if you ask AMD nicely, they will give an exclusive preview to Anandtech .

Maybe if I ask NV nicely they will give an exclusive preview to Anandtech.

You're accusing AT of being a paid AMD shill site because they don't use low resolution monitors in their benchmarks of high end cards.
It's idiotic. Especially if you look at the content of the reviews which clearly imply the 290 is bad because it's loud, and ignores the price premium of the 780Ti most of the way through the article.

For the difference in price between a 290 and a 780Ti, you could buy two additional 1080p monitors and run a triple monitor surround setup.
Suddenly 1080p is irrelevant because you have 3x1080p.

Most other websites have also focused on high resolutions rather than 1080p as well, because these are high end cards.

From briefly looking at Guru3d's review of the 290 vs Titan/780, 1600p and 1200p seem to have approximately the same relative performance as well, so you are basing your assumption on the idea that NV will have better relative performance at 1080p vs 1600p against AMD.
Have you looked at other reviews which bear that out, and therefore that there actually would be a "benefit" to not showing 1080p results? Or are you speculating based on historic trends?

Considering you are accusing AT of being a shill site by not showing 1080p which you suppose would be beneficial to NV, presumably that's based on some observable facts?
We're talking low single digit percentage point differences, like 2%.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_780_Ti/27.html

1080p:
780Ti 100%
290X Uber: 92%
290X Quiet: 86%

1600p:
780Ti 100%
290X Uber: 93%
290X Quiet: 88%

So much difference! 2%!

 

[3DVagabond]

The Linustechtips video showing the 290x vs 780ti blew my mind,two 780ti cards ran at 86 cel in furmark which is still cooler then a single 290x. Of course buying either card in reference is silly but none the less i was like wow.

When the after market cards come out for each,the new issue will just be power consumption and god only knows how many people will flock to this one.

This is why the extra expense for the Titan cooler is a waste of money. Bring on the DCII's and Toxics!

 

[ams23]

If I am wrong than prove it.

LOL, I thought you had better things to do? I guess you don't. Anyway, as I said earlier, you are flat out wrong. Do a search for GTX Titan with the custom BIOS's that allow those users to increase power/temp/fan speed limits. The performance benefits in adjusting those upward was quite large.