GTX 960 is expected to launch next month.

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RussianSensation

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This card utterly disgusts me. 2GB in 2015. Lower memory bandwidth than the GTX 460 (Maxwell is more efficient with it, but still pathetic). Instantly irrelevant. Tonga 285 is garbage too, but at least it is new garbage featuring GCN 1.2. We already have Maxwell.

It seems the videocard industry is going through a transformation. We have first seen sub-$100 market become a lot more unattractive where spending $30-50 more netted a disproportionately higher increase in performance. Then we saw NV and AMD splitting generations into halves with 7970/290X and 680/780Ti, essentially having 2 flagships in what used to be 1 generation. With the $150 750Ti, we actually saw that the $150 and below GPU market was also delivering poor value where once again just spending $50 more got one into a 280/280X with 70-90% more performance than a 750Ti. Now it seems even the $200 and below GPU market is becoming overall pretty poor value. It seems the new sweet spot for good performance are $250-350 290/290X/970, while to get good value in the sub-$200, it's probably better to buy a used 7970/7970Ghz or 280X/770 4GB.

Maybe a lot more gamers will start looking at the used GPU market and "less popular old" products from last gen to get more value. I still think a 960Ti-style card will need to fill in the gap between $180-200 960 and $330-350 970. Sometimes it really is better to spend $50-75 above your budget. I wouldn't buy a 2GB card like a 960 or 285 in 2015 unless they were $150 or below.
 

SteveGrabowski

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LOL this has a worse 3dmark score than the R9 285. Did Nvidia ever drop the ball here; people have been hyping the hell out of this card since October, and this is what they get?
 

Borealis7

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people have been hyping the hell out of this card since October, and this is what they get?
no one was hyping this card, we kinda knew what we are going to get. the only remaining question is power consumption.

with a ~GTX680 performance, this card could be a boon to gamers on a budget with old cards.
 

Headfoot

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As long as there is a 960 Ti running 256 or 192 on the bus with less shaders cut, it'll be fine to have this weak 960 at the right price (the right price being no more than $150, I personally wouldn't buy it over $130).

The bifurcation of the x60 line into x60 and x60 Ti is ultimately just confusing. Better that they would've just called this a 950, with the current 750 Ti becoming 940, etc.
 

AtenRa

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If the performance on those links is true then the card is very nice, the only problem i could see is high pricing.
 

skipsneeky2

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I see a $139 Zotac 2gb gtx660 right now on Newegg with free shipping,how much better could this 960 be to justify a possible $200 msrp?
 

SPBHM

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I see a $139 Zotac 2gb gtx660 right now on Newegg with free shipping,how much better could this 960 be to justify a possible $200 msrp?

looking at the 3dm11 score, this 960 should perform really close to the 680, 660 to 680 was a pretty nice difference in performance, I think we are talking about at least some 40% over the 660...
 

RussianSensation

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no one was hyping this card, we kinda knew what we are going to get. the only remaining question is power consumption.

with a ~GTX680 performance, this card could be a boon to gamers on a budget with old cards.

I think there was hype, similar to Tonga. The card was hyped to be close to 970 in performance, but slightly cut down, hence a possible explanation for why NV held it back to prevent cannibalizing 970's sales. Maybe that card will be the 960Ti not the 960. A 960 seems to be half of a 980 instead. I don't think $199 is a great price for a Next gen card with a 680 performance when for $50-75, one can easily step up to an after-market 290 with just 6% lower performance to a 970 and more or less identical performance at 1440p. How good a card is should be relative to the current market not just to the 680 which will turn 3 years old in March 2015! Someone on a true budget could just buy a used 280X/7970Ghz/680 4GB. This goes back to my post made above.

Imo a 2GB card at $200-250 from either AMD or NV is poor value unless someone is playing less demanding games and at low resolutions, but that gamer could just get a $130 270/270X or a $150-160 R9 280.

I think this generation a lot of people's standards have fallen drastically with the focus now almost entirely shifting away from performance and price/performance to power usage and performance/watt.

I think a lot of people forgot what the videocard's primary purpose is - it's not to save you electicity costs while gaming. There are many times where AMD's and NV's mid-range cards seem overpriced out of the gate though. 285 and 960 seem to be obvious ones recently.
 
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iiiankiii

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I think a lot of people forgot what the videocard's primary purpose is - it's not to save you electicity costs while gaming.

LOL. Shots fired. But does it save me money on my car insurance?

Seriously, though. Power consumption is a bit overrated. But low TDP can be indicative of good performance scaling.
 

psolord

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Is it confirmed that there will be another cut down GM204 video card (aka 960Ti) or Nvidia will only release this GM206 one and call it a day?
 

Keysplayr

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Is it confirmed that there will be another cut down GM204 video card (aka 960Ti) or Nvidia will only release this GM206 one and call it a day?

This seems likely if we look back two gens in history.
GTX560 and GTX 560Ti were both GF104 and GTX 560Ti 448 was the lowest form of GF110.
GTX660 was a full GK106 and 660Ti was the lowest GK104 (until 760 was released).

So, I think we will see something akin to this lineup with GM2xx.

But trends are made to be broken.
 

mindbomb

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it's actually fitting for it to have the bandwidth of a gtx 560, considering the gtx 980 has only slightly more than a gtx 580.
 

Magic Carpet

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If the performance on those links is true then the card is very nice, the only problem i could see is high pricing.
With my ancient GTX 670 I get similar numbers in 3dmark. This surely consumes less power but performance off the shelf with 2 gigs of vram in 2015? D:

I do hope, there is something faster coming along.
 
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AtenRa

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With my ancient GTX 670 I get similar numbers in 3dmark. This surely consumes less power but performance off the shelf with 2 gigs of vram in 2015? D:

I do hope, there is something faster coming along.

ehm, this is 960 not 970
 
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