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For many, a 2GB 960 would be a huge upgrade and, if priced right, a great value.
no it would be an idiotic short sided purchase. there are already games right now that the 960 will be able to run that will use and in some cases need more than 2gb.
 

KaRLiToS

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no it would be an idiotic short sided purchase. there are already games right now that the 960 will be able to run that will use and in some cases need more than 2gb.

Even for a 8800GTX user? Or HD 4870?

Don't be too hard with the card, they will release it for a very low price in my opinion. It is not everyone that has the money to drop 360$ or more per year on a card. Some people don't mind playing at 1080p with low settings, as long as they get good FPSs.
 

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Even for a 8800GTX user? Or HD 4870?

Don't be too hard with the card, they will release it for a very low price in my opinion. It is not everyone that has the money to drop 360$ or more per year on a card. Some people don't mind playing at 1080p with low settings, as long as they get good FPSs.

I added to my post why I said that. its clear this card is going to be faster than a 680 so its stupid to gimp yourself from day 1 as 2gb will not be enough. this would be as dumb as buying the 8800gts 320mb or 8800gt 256mb at a time that 512mb was becoming the standard.

low settings? the 960 will be pretty fast card and will run maost games on higher settings just fine. again 2gb is only going to be bigger limitation going forward.

if someone is still using a 4870 or 8800gtx then modern gaming is probably not a concern or they would have already upgraded. the rest of their system is likely to be outdated too.
 
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crisium

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2GB cards have no place* in 2015, whether AMD Tonga or Nvidia 770/960.

It's fine for low level cards like GTX 940, or Radeon 350, maybe.
 

SteveGrabowski

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For many, a 2GB 960 would be a huge upgrade and, if priced right, a great value.

Even at $200 it would be hard to call a 2GB card a great value in 2015. 2GB should be reserved for budget cards in the 50 series or lower, not enthusiast level cards 60 series and greater when there are already games wanting more than 2GB at 1080p. What a disappointment this card will be if it's only 770 level in performance. No one in his right mind should pay $250 for that when the R9 290 offers 780 level performance in that price range.
 

skipsneeky2

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2GB cards have no place* in 2015, whether AMD Tonga or Nvidia 770/960.

It's fine for low level cards like GTX 940, or Radeon 350, maybe.

I could tank my 2gb 770 with 150% scale resolution at a lowly 1366x768 in BF4 and pull under 1900mb usage.I bet sli would have me dropping below 60fps still if i was as bold as to put another 770 in. Link a single game that can demand 2gb of ram but will run good on a 770 without tanking.

A 2gb 960 non ti would work,but perhaps as a budget option later on for single card usage. There is 2gb and 4gb 770s but like the 770 i bet the only ones wanting 4gb 960 cards will be going sli. Quite a few newer games even tanking 3gb cards with usage under 3gb and that is on cards the 960 just won't be matching performance wise.
 

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I could tank my 2gb 770 with 150% scale resolution at a lowly 1366x768 in BF4 and pull under 1900mb usage.I bet sli would have me dropping below 60fps still if i was as bold as to put another 770 in. Link a single game that can demand 2gb of ram but will run good on a 770 without tanking.

A 2gb 960 non ti would work,but perhaps as a budget option later on for single card usage. There is 2gb and 4gb 770s but like the 770 i bet the only ones wanting 4gb 960 cards will be going sli. Quite a few newer games even tanking 3gb cards with usage under 3gb and that is on cards the 960 just won't be matching performance wise.
you have lost your mind thinking 2gb is sufficient in 2015 and going forward on card like the 960. Wolfenstein, Daylight, and Watch Dogs are games right off the top of my head that would have to run at reduced settings solely because of vram. plus DSR would kill it some less demanding games so it would make that new feature nearly useless on on brand new card.

anyone that buys a 960 2gb will be screwed from day one. its like buying a dual core cpu at this point. hey why not go Pentium dual core and 2gb 960 and see which one bottlenecks you the most in 2015 and beyond. heck go ahead and get just 4gb of system ram too to have the trifecta of limitations for future games.
 
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Keysplayr

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you have lost your mind thinking 2gb is sufficient in 2015 and going forward on card like the 960. Wolfenstein, Daylight, and Watch Dogs are games right off the top of my head that what have to run at reduced settings solely because of vram. plus DSR would kill it some less demanding games so it would make that new feature nearly useless on on brand new card.

anyone that buys a 960 2gb will be screwed from day one. its like buying a dual core cpu at this point. hey why not go Pentium dual core and 2gb 960 and see which one bottlenecks you the most in 2015 and beyond. heck go ahead and get just 4gb of system ram too to have the trifecta of limitations for future games.

I think we should all probably wait and see how it performs and at what cost. That is, assuming it does have 2GB.
I'd say 3GB at 192-bit seems like a logical approach. With Maxwell's nice compression algorithms it would probably get along nicely with reduced bus size just as 970/980 keep up with and surpass 384 and 512bit GPUs.
 

SteveGrabowski

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anyone that buys a 960 2gb will be screwed from day one. its like buying a dual core cpu at this point. hey why not go Pentium dual core and 2gb 960 and see which one bottlenecks you the most in 2015 and beyond. heck go ahead and get just 4gb of system ram too to have the trifecta of limitations for future games.

Haha, this made me laugh!
 

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I think we should all probably wait and see how it performs and at what cost. That is, assuming it does have 2GB.
I'd say 3GB at 192-bit seems like a logical approach. With Maxwell's nice compression algorithms it would probably get along nicely with reduced bus size just as 970/980 keep up with and surpass 384 and 512bit GPUs.
yeah I think 192 bit with 3gb of vram sounds logical too but I dont recall any rumors even about that. if they do go 256 bit then it would likely get half the ROPS of the 980/970 and probably 6000 mhz ram. I think they would make it 4gb only if they did that with maybe a cut down 192 bit 3gb version.
 

Keysplayr

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yeah I think 192 bit with 3gb of vram sounds logical too but I dont recall any rumors even about that. if they do go 256 bit then it would likely get half the ROPS of the 980/970 and probably 6000 mhz ram. I think they would make it 4gb only if they did that with maybe a cut down 192 bit 3gb version.

Yeah I mean it can go down many different ways. Looking back, 660Ti had the same shader count as GTX670 but 3/4 the bus width. We might see this with 960 having 1664 shaders with 192-bit bus. 3GB or they might double the memory density for the last register for 4GB instead like they did with 660/660Ti/650TiBoost with 2GB instead of 1.5GB. I mean, who knows, there are many combos in which to introduce a 960/Ti.
 

skipsneeky2

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you have lost your mind thinking 2gb is sufficient in 2015 and going forward on card like the 960.

I think the 4gb should be standard of course on the 960 non ti but for those on a strict budget,a 2gb 960 really wouldn't hurt either as a option to save money.Something like a 768mb 460.

I just see some games tank so hard on on cards like the 770 on current new games,4gb wouldn't save a 960 non ti in single card usage and that is assuming the 960 non ti could be as fast as a 770.

Find me a recent game seriously that can run 50+fps minimums on a single 680/770 at 1080p,hit pass 2gb vram on a 4gb model and a reviewer recommending it as a excellent go to card.Not a junk pile console port either but a quality port.I say good luck on that search.
 

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I think the 4gb should be standard of course on the 960 non ti but for those on a strict budget,a 2gb 960 really wouldn't hurt either as a option to save money.Something like a 768mb 460.

I just see some games tank so hard on on cards like the 770 on current new games,4gb wouldn't save a 960 non ti in single card usage and that is assuming the 960 non ti could be as fast as a 770.

Find me a recent game seriously that can run 50+fps minimums on a single 680/770 at 1080p,hit pass 2gb vram on a 4gb model and a reviewer recommending it as a excellent go to card.Not a junk pile console port either but a quality port.I say good luck on that search.
as usual if examples are given they are discounted. you have to face reality that some ports will not be good and will take brute force or more resources than it should. even when I bring up Crysis 3 when talking about needing more than 4 cores to stay above 60 fps there will always be someone saying it was not optimized. I buy my hardware to play real games that aren't always optimized or ported well. thats just how it is.

if they do come out with a 960 2gb and someone is clueless enough to buy it in 2015 then its their problem I guess.
 
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SteveGrabowski

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as usual if examples are given they are discounted. you have to face reality that some ports will not be good and will take brute force or more resources than it should. even when I bring up Crysis 3 when talking about needing more than 4 cores to stay above 60 fps there will always be someone saying it was not optimized. I buy my hardware to play real games that aren't always optimized or ported well. thats just how it is.

if they do come out with a 960 2gb and someone is clueless enough to buy it in 2105 then its their problem I guess.

Agreed, bad ports are just a part of being a PC gamer. It has been like that since the nineties (the eighties even) and it's never changing. I hate hearing Crysis 3 isn't optimized. It seems like to a lot of PC gamers optimized means justifying their i5 purchase; if an i7 does any better the game isn't optimized and if it plays great on an i3 then it's not making use of my corez.
 

skipsneeky2

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as usual if examples are given they are discounted. you have to face reality that some ports will not be good and will take brute force or more resources than it should.

I know about crap ports,i own Titanfall.A game that stutters and offers a erratic performance experience with moderate graphic settings at a lowly 768p resolution. Performance is rock solid if i keep them at high but very high stutters and ultra well its a mess cause of the vram. Does not look to great to justify its requirements.

A great port like BF4 looks fantastic maxed out at 768p,runs incredibly great with 60+fps minimums online till i touch the scale resolution and put it above 125%. Vram really doesn't hit 1700mb often.
 

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I know about crap ports,i own Titanfall.A game that stutters and offers a erratic performance experience with moderate graphic settings at a lowly 768p resolution. Performance is rock solid if i keep them at high but very high stutters and ultra well its a mess cause of the vram. Does not look to great to justify its requirements.

A great port like BF4 looks fantastic maxed out at 768p,runs incredibly great with 60+fps minimums online till i touch the scale resolution and put it above 125%. Vram really doesn't hit 1700mb often.

Because Frostbite uses the amount of VRAM you have. Its pretty smart about it. if you have 2 it'll use under that. 3 or 4 you'll see the usage way up. The question is if the VRAM is put to good use or not. Usually its not noticeable.
 

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I really hope this rumor is true. I'm in desperate need of a new card since My 570 died earlier this month, and the 960 or a price reduced R9 280X would be a great option. I'd love the have the GTX 970, but that's not in the budget right now.
 

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960 is a good card from what we can expect but its not a card that will last you for years if you are aiming on playing a game on maximum settings unless that game you want is not that graphics heavy.

it it not intended for high end gaming so to those people who are aiming for this card to rape games today and tomorrow, that will be of question.
 

SteveGrabowski

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960 is a good card from what we can expect but its not a card that will last you for years if you are aiming on playing a game on maximum settings unless that game you want is not that graphics heavy.

it it not intended for high end gaming so to those people who are aiming for this card to rape games today and tomorrow, that will be of question.

But the R9 290 rapes games at the $270 price point and will probably be dropped back to the $250 range due to pressure from the 970, so I don't see why it's unrealistic to think Nvidia's answer at this price point should also.
 

netxzero64

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But the R9 290 rapes games at the $270 price point and will probably be dropped back to the $250 range due to pressure from the 970, so I don't see why it's unrealistic to think Nvidia's answer at this price point should also.
Yes, that is why we are all waiting for the release and to see how well this GM206 performs. Maxwell's real value for me would be its efficiency. That lowered power consumption is a great deal specially I live in a country which is on the top 5 of the world's most expensive electric bill.
 

SteveGrabowski

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Yes, that is why we are all waiting for the release and to see how well this GM206 performs. Maxwell's real value for me would be its efficiency. That lowered power consumption is a great deal specially I live in a country which is on the top 5 of the world's most expensive electric bill.

I really hope they're aiming for 780 performance and not 770. A card this hyped only living up to 770 performance with 2GB VRAM would be pretty disappointing when AMD and Nvidia are locked into a price war.
 

netxzero64

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hehehe I expected the performance to be just between the 770 and the 780 with a TDP of 100-120w
 
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