GTX 960 is expected to launch next month.

[tential]

Who cares? Tons of people do. Just look at some of the signatures on this very forum. Many people overclock their components. Then you say it's wasting electricity. Just before you were complaining about GPUs being created for power savings. Which is it now? You're all over the place. Do you want power savings or do you want performance? You can't really have both. If you overclock you gain performance but DUH...you use more power.

The constant mentioning of power consumption on an enthusiast forum is ridiculous. Most of you guys have powersupplies larger than mine to the point where I feel silly/cheap having a 720w power supply.

It's time we stop worrying about those with OEM PSUs already. That doesn't represent this discussion at all and it's just ridiculous.

Performance/Price is what's important to users on here. This whole power consumption thing is just a side track to jump on when people's other statements are proven wrong.

 

[Magic Carpet]

Performance/Price is what's important to users on here. This whole power consumption thing is just a side track to jump on when people's other statements are proven wrong.

Couldn't agree with you more :thumbsup:

 

[cmdrdredd]

The constant mentioning of power consumption on an enthusiast forum is ridiculous. Most of you guys have powersupplies larger than mine to the point where I feel silly/cheap having a 720w power supply.

It's time we stop worrying about those with OEM PSUs already. That doesn't represent this discussion at all and it's just ridiculous.

Performance/Price is what's important to users on here. This whole power consumption thing is just a side track to jump on when people's other statements are proven wrong.

Exactly. If this card comes in at $200 with an aftermarket cooling solution and gives overclocked performance that rivals cards costing more at typical resolutions for users in that price bracket, it will be a win. People who want to squeeze performance out of their parts don't typically worry about using a few extra watts of power to do so. Not while playing their games.

We've yet to see the numbers or solid pricing anyhow.

 

[skipsneeky2]

If this card is as fast as a 280x out of the box or can overclock to it then there is still the biggest debate which is either you want 2gb on the 960 or 3gb on the 280x even if both cards are identical in price.

You can overclock the 960 maybe to be faster then 280x but your not getting that extra 1gb.

 

[Haserath]

The 960 is essentially the 770 moving down to $200. This is Nvidia pricing so AMD will typically offer an equivalently priced solution while being better in some aspect(this time ram).

With 290's at $250, nobody should really buy the 960, but tell that to all the Battlefield players I ask who have gtx 760's...:hmm:

Though the 960 sounds like it will offer more performance than the 280x(280x is also a bit more than $200), so that would be a trade off that may be worth it if you like high framerates anyway.

 

[JumBie]

The 960 is essentially the 770 moving down to $200. This is Nvidia pricing so AMD will typically offer an equivalently priced solution while being better in some aspect(this time ram).

With 290's at $250, nobody should really buy the 960, but tell that to all the Battlefield players I ask who have gtx 760's...:hmm:

Though the 960 sounds like it will offer more performance than the 280x(280x is also a bit more than $200), so that would be a trade off that may be worth it if you like high framerates anyway.

A 960 @ $200 just isn't worth it. 280x are going for 140-160 on kijiji and 290s are going for $170-200 (some of these are even brand new). I cannot justify spending $200+tax for a rebadged 770.

 

[SlickR12345]

Who cares? Tons of people do. Just look at some of the signatures on this very forum. Many people overclock their components. Then you say it's wasting electricity. Just before you were complaining about GPUs being created for power savings. Which is it now? You're all over the place. Do you want power savings or do you want performance? You can't really have both. If you overclock you gain performance but DUH...you use more power.

You are just a poor Nvidia fanboy who doesn't want to understand.

Why would anyone buy a "power efficient" card to save few cents on electricity, but then go on and OC it to waste significantly more power? I don't care about it, when you and other fan little boys for Nvidia claim to care and then go on to OC you are hypocrites.

When you buy the 960 it would be optimized at that frequency at those voltages, at those speeds to use the least possible power, once you overclock it even mildly it uses up a lot more power compared to the speed you gain.

So again, who cares about an OC? If you do care, then why waste your money getting an inferior product that needs OC, that then spends more power, is louder, is hotter, reduces the longevity of the card just to be as fast as a card that is the same price?

This is a new card, its up to Nvidia to add performance, not reduce it. If its sold at a $200 price it better be reasonably faster than the 280x or otherwise its garbage, and no amount of OC room can change that, considering that the competition can also be OC to be even faster.


Callouts and personal attacks will not be tolerated.

-Rvenger

 

[WittyRemark]

$200 is the base price, which means we'll see $230-$250 from AIBs.
GTX960 is essentially a poor value ,compared to 280x/290, seeing they usually retail around that price.
But for OEM PC's ,it's a bless ,it's a card made for 1080p (for now at least) .
Rumors are already spreading about the gtx960ti, 192-bit ,1304 cuda cores or something.
In any case, I don't think gtx960 has bright future ahead, 2gb vram and 128-bit memory bus could make this card go obsolete in a year or two.
until then it does have it's benefits in some obvious cases.

 

[tential]

You are just a poor Nvidia fanboy who doesn't want to understand.

Why would anyone buy a "power efficient" card to save few cents on electricity, but then go on and OC it to waste significantly more power? I don't care about it, when you and other fan little boys for Nvidia claim to care and then go on to OC you are hypocrites.

When you buy the 960 it would be optimized at that frequency at those voltages, at those speeds to use the least possible power, once you overclock it even mildly it uses up a lot more power compared to the speed you gain.

So again, who cares about an OC? If you do care, then why waste your money getting an inferior product that needs OC, that then spends more power, is louder, is hotter, reduces the longevity of the card just to be as fast as a card that is the same price?

This is a new card, its up to Nvidia to add performance, not reduce it. If its sold at a $200 price it better be reasonably faster than the 280x or otherwise its garbage, and no amount of OC room can change that, considering that the competition can also be OC to be even faster.

And you've made up your mind without seeing real world benchmarks yet?
So what?

What if the card is $220 for a Gigabyte G1 edition and gets close to a R9 290? The R9 290 is $240 at it's LOWEST when it's got a rebate.
You're giving the ideal situation for the R9 290, which I like to do as well but realistically speaking, you're not getting the R9 290 you want. Also you're assuming that people are going to be aware of the BEST deal possible. A lot won't be.
And even still don't forget the pricing pressure a GTX 960 provides on AMD requiring them to again lower prices or make their product offering more competitive, even if the GTX 960 isn't a better choice, people like new and the R9 290 may drop again or more rebate deals may be available as a result of the GTX 960 option.

There are WAY too many things to list about this but in short, calling him out as an Nvidia fanboy for saying the GTX 960 maybe a good card, especially when we were just talking about the GTX 960 Gigabyte G1 design, may be unfair. None of us know anything other than guesstimates of what's going on.

Unless you guys have review samples of AIB cards that I'm unaware of, there is no reason for that level of hostility.

Edit: Finally, Nvidia doesn't have to price cards to compete with AMD. A lot of you have to just get that through your heads. They're the market leader. Even if their card performs exactly the same as a competitor, they can still charge more for it. That's what happens when you have good brand name recognition.
If the GTX 960 came out at $250, and still sold well, I wouldn't be surprised. Probably won't, but it wouldn't surprise me if it sold well at that price. Even at $230 wouldn't surprise me if it sold well.

 

[Rvenger]

Let's stop the arguing or I will be locking this thread and handing out warnings/infractions to everyone involved.

-Rvenger

 

[AtenRa]

I really dont understand why people only see the memory channels and or memory buffer and not what is the most important, the price/performance of this card or at least any card in that range.

It seams this card will bring close to GTX670-680 performance at $200 with lower TDP. It is like GTX460 replaced the GTX 285 or HD7770 replaced HD6870, same performance lower price lower TDP.

2GB will be enough for 1080p, this card is not for high end users but it seams it will do more than just fine at 1080p. So lets wait and see the perf/price and then we can compare it against the competition.

Ohh, lower power consumption is also important but not always the first think everyone is looking for.

 

[RussianSensation]

Who cares? Tons of people do. Just look at some of the signatures on this very forum. Many people overclock their components. Then you say it's wasting electricity. Just before you were complaining about GPUs being created for power savings. Which is it now? You're all over the place. Do you want power savings or do you want performance? You can't really have both. If you overclock you gain performance but DUH...you use more power.

One major advantage of Maxwell is that it overclocks well with no or barely any voltage increase. That allows 1.5Ghz overclocks with barely a 30-50W power increase per card. This is in stark contrast to 290/290X that use 100-150W of power more when max overclocked with high voltage. That gives a 960 a good advantage over cards like R9 280/280X once we start discussing power usage in overclocked states. With Maxwell one gets amazing overclocking + lower power usage simultaneously!

However, my point was what seems a constant on sale $240-260 after-market 290 is what makes BOTH the 960/280X cards questionable at $200. Also, I don't understand this idea to ignore frequent sales. R9 280 goes on sale for $150 quite often in the US:
http://m.newegg.com/Product/index?itemnumber=14-131-570

Anyway, here are some pics of after-market Zotac, Asus, EVGA 960s:
http://videocardz.com/54374/asus-evga-and-zotac-geforce-gtx-960-pictured

 

[USER8000]

Power consumption is now becoming like camera MP E-PEEN wars.

Have a lot of people bothered to actually look at the wall power consumption for full systems when running games??

Even a GTX780 system with a Core i7 4770K is consuming less than 300W at the wall.
Valve was running a Core i7 4770 and a Geforce Titan off a small form factor 450W PSU.

 

[el etro]

Honestly, a not so much interesting card after all.

Is the deal for the consumers: or they chose the better value(R280/R280x/R290 Cards), or they chose the newer/better tech with the GTX 960.

 

[cmdrdredd]

You are just a poor Nvidia fanboy who doesn't want to understand.

Why would anyone buy a "power efficient" card to save few cents on electricity, but then go on and OC it to waste significantly more power? I don't care about it, when you and other fan little boys for Nvidia claim to care and then go on to OC you are hypocrites.

When you buy the 960 it would be optimized at that frequency at those voltages, at those speeds to use the least possible power, once you overclock it even mildly it uses up a lot more power compared to the speed you gain.

So again, who cares about an OC? If you do care, then why waste your money getting an inferior product that needs OC, that then spends more power, is louder, is hotter, reduces the longevity of the card just to be as fast as a card that is the same price?

This is a new card, its up to Nvidia to add performance, not reduce it. If its sold at a $200 price it better be reasonably faster than the 280x or otherwise its garbage, and no amount of OC room can change that, considering that the competition can also be OC to be even faster.

It isn't an Nvidia specific thing here. How many people bought the 7950 from AMD because it overclocked to performance levels that were near the 7970? Again with the 290 vs 290x and then today with the 970 vs 980? Lots of people don't want to spend more because they can simply overclock. Look at the CPU side. How many people were overclocking their lower priced CPUs to above the levels of higher priced parts? Lots of people have a budget, they can only spend x amount on any GPU. So they look for the one they can overclock to get better performance.

This is where I feel the 960 will land. It'll be a lower cost part that trades blows with parts costing more with an overclock. Maxwell has already proven to be a very solid overclocker and at idle power consumption is really low. So it's the best of both worlds, or it could be anyway. It doesn't matter if it's Nvidia, Intel, AMD, or whoever. Lots of people want parts that are low cost but offer headroom to increase performance via overclocking. It's not obviously going to be the leader at high resolutions etc, but for 1080p it might be exactly what someone needs who is still sitting on a 1GB card from many years ago.

Honestly, a not so much interesting card after all.

Is the deal for the consumers: or they chose the better value(R280/R280x/R290 Cards), or they chose the newer/better tech with the GTX 960.

We can't say that until it's in the hands of reviewers who can start testing and overclocking them to see where the performance lands. I believe this is a card that will be targeted to 1080p users who want a solid upgrade from their old card and may have a strict budget that doesn't allow for a $300 card. There are many quick to write it off as having no value when for all we know it may actually crush the 280 in games at the appropriate resolution for a 2GB card. It may not, but again we don't know yet. What we do know is maxwell overclocks well and we know which AIBs have aftermarket cooling options for this card.

 

[psolord]

I was wondering.....If I get one 960 for my Q9550, is there a chance that it will not work due to BIOS incompatibility?

My P5Q Deluxe's BIOS is quite old, but it did managed to work correctly with my 7950s, which have UEFI bios if I am not mistaken.

Is there something I can check to verify that it will work before buying?

I mean getting an Asus 960, will guarantee me that it will work on an old Asus mobo or is it irrelevant?

I am around PCs for many years, but I never had to combine hardware with 6 years difference.

 

[cmdrdredd]

I was wondering.....If I get one 960 for my Q9550, is there a chance that it will not work due to BIOS incompatibility?

My P5Q Deluxe's BIOS is quite old, but it did managed to work correctly with my 7950s, which have UEFI bios if I am not mistaken.

Is there something I can check to verify that it will work before buying?

I mean getting an Asus 960, will guarantee me that it will work on an old Asus mobo or is it irrelevant?

I am around PCs for many years, but I never had to combine hardware with 6 years difference.

I thought PCIe was fully backwards compatible. The brand doesn't matter unless you have a preference there.

 

[psolord]

Yes normally it is. Maybe that's why my 7950s worked.

Still, I've heard quite a few instances, maybe in this forum (cannot recall exactly), where new cards did not work on old mobos and maybe not so old, while they should according to PCIe specs.

That's why I am asking.

 

[BHZ-GTR]

Hi Friends

I So Sorry, I am in need of advice.

I Am Wait Release Gtx 960 Or Purchase R9 285 (tonga Pro) ?

Which one were better For Games (1080P).

Thank You Guys.

 

[Termie]

Yes normally it is. Maybe that's why my 7950s worked.

Still, I've heard quite a few instances, maybe in this forum (cannot recall exactly), where new cards did not work on old mobos and maybe not so old, while they should according to PCIe specs.

That's why I am asking.

I had an old Shuttle system with an Nvidia chipset that could work with AMD HD4000 cards but not HD5000 cards. So it does happen, but that board you have is pretty mainstream and should be compatible.

 

[R0H1T]

Hi Friends

I So Sorry, I am in need of advice.

I Am Wait Release Gtx 960 Or Purchase R9 285 (tonga Pro) ?

Which one were better For Games (1080P).

Thank You Guys.

Neither, I think 2GB cards in 2015 (& going forward) are incredibly poor value for money. You ideally should've aimed for 4GB VRAM even for 1080p, if not then 3GB should be your target considering your budget.

 

[el etro]

Hi Friends

I So Sorry, I am in need of advice.

I Am Wait Release Gtx 960 Or Purchase R9 285 (tonga Pro) ?

Which one were better For Games (1080P).

Thank You Guys.

Pick a R9 280.

 

[tweakboy]

That 970 looks soo sexy. Congrats,, now go enjoy some COD mw or NBA2k15

 

[psolord]

I had an old Shuttle system with an Nvidia chipset that could work with AMD HD4000 cards but not HD5000 cards. So it does happen, but that board you have is pretty mainstream and should be compatible.

That's hopeful.

Thanks.

 

[tweakboy]

Great rig, your set. Now go play some games, and see how stable they are.