GTX 970/980 owners thread

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skipsneeky2

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I don't really know where this comes from. However if you look at the release notes there is rarely anything kepler related in new drivers. I'm sure there is some trickle down performance improvements and the like though.

I figure if there is truth to it more people then not wouldn't support a brand that drops support at the sight of new products.

Luckily for me i haven't really bought any new games recently but i intend to after i upgrade,so the claims aren't effecting me unless i buy games before the upgrade.Titanfall is my newest game with the newest i tried being being COD AW on free Steam weekend.

Figure i wait for good sales and patches for many of the games to mature before i buy.
 

iiiankiii

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I use my EVGA GTX 970 in my HTPC/steambox. As of right now, every time I turn off hdtv/receiver, I lose hdmi audio. Is there a work around for this? I would like to keep the GTX 970 but not being able to put the pc to sleep and/or close the HDTV without losing HDMI audio is a deal break.
 

cmdrdredd

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As far as I'm aware you will lose HDMI audio if there is no connection. If you turn off the receiver or TV you can't select HDMI as the primary output for audio. I Use HDMI to a AVR then out to a TV sometimes. If my TV isn't selected as an output device audio does not work. When I have my TV selected as a video output device I am able to configure the sound settings to send 5.1 to my AVR. This is how it works, it won't send audio independently of the video over HDMI.
 
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Pneumothorax

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I figure if there is truth to it more people then not wouldn't support a brand that drops support at the sight of new products.

Luckily for me i haven't really bought any new games recently but i intend to after i upgrade,so the claims aren't effecting me unless i buy games before the upgrade.Titanfall is my newest game with the newest i tried being being COD AW on free Steam weekend.

Figure i wait for good sales and patches for many of the games to mature before i buy.

It's not like the red team is any better.... For example, my newer 4870 has basically no official windows 8.1 support from AMD other than crappy wddm drivers while my older 8800GT still has official drivers from Nvidia.
 

skipsneeky2

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It's not like the red team is any better.... For example, my newer 4870 has basically no official windows 8.1 support from AMD other than crappy wddm drivers while my older 8800GT still has official drivers from Nvidia.

Long term is better off on Nvidia surely but these statements are about cards plenty of people are using right now.If your not using a 970/980 then it sounds like you could very well not ever get the full potential out of a Kepler gpu with the latest games.

Need to find the post and thread but someone went as far as pretty much claiming the Kepler cards are simply being gimped on the driver side to make the 970/980 look that much better as upgrades.Imagine my mind being blown and to see similar statements being said time and time again lol.
 

Pneumothorax

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Just put in 2 MSI Gaming 970's. Awesome card for SLI as they are dead silent when not gaming. However, with a 1450 boost clock and a 8000 mem clock, the bottom card will run about 62 or so while the top card will run at about 10C higher. I have a spare G10 bracket and a H105 to put on the top card. What's holding me back is the 'Warranty Void' sticker thats on one of the GPU HSF screws....
 

Face2Face

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I have a spare G10 bracket and a H105 to put on the top card. What's holding me back is the 'Warranty Void' sticker thats on one of the GPU HSF screws....

If you're in USA, there there is nothing to worry about. MSI will only void your warranty if you physically damage your card.
 

WiseUp216

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Ugh...after fighting all day to stop my 670's from crashing randomly, I just ordered a Gigabyte 970 G1. Looking forward to going back to a single card.

670 SLI was fine for almost 2 years... then the last couple of months it became really janky for me.
 

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Update: my 2nd MSI GTX 970 Gaming, that I just installed tonight, is completely different, in a good way.

For those of you not reading the whole thread, my first one was bad, with audible and annoying coil whine even just using GPU-accelerated Firefox or Chome. It was insanity-inducing, and just the sort of reason the whine is a big deal.

So far, with v-sync on, a couple parts of 3DMark, any in-game (IE, not menu) of the The Witcher 2, and Borderlands 2 after the fan goes back to off, it makes some buzzing, but not too loud. So it might be OK, once closed up and moved to its normal position. V-sync off makes noises that would be good for torturing somebody, in most everything I've tried (I haven't changed any game settings, yet, so they were at what was playable on a GTX 460), but I :wub::wub::wub: v-sync.

To test, I had my case open, and my head about 1ft away from the side of the case. No fans not on the video card itself exceeded 500 RPM this whole time, so there wasn't much to mask any noise it might be making. I will need to test some more, in the coming days, to be sure, but I think this one will be acceptable.

Day 2 update: with the case closed, and back to its normal spot, that circumstantial buzzing is extremely faint, rather than prominent, to the point that I hear my tinnitus and heartbeat when straining to see if it's still there, and what little higher pitched whine was occasionally present is completely inaudible. The fan noise character is less than ideal, but even when the GPU is allowed to get to 95C (highest it's gotten, because I was being mean to it with my case fan settings, to try to get it to go loud), the fans didn't need to go to but 60%, and were just above a, "whisper quiet," level. You'd have to be crazy, like myself, to even consider changing the cooling to something quieter (which I won't do until the fans get old enough to have bearing noise, just the last X video cards I've had...).
My card is Asus Strix 980.
Card when it is powering down ( on idle ) from a really heavy graphics intense program like Unigine Heaven or Crysis3 makes buzzing noise, but only for 1-2 seconds then it goes away.
Buzzing starts after a couple of seconds after gaming ( on idle ) ,when the fans cool down and turn off "0 dB" mode. And then that noise go away after 1-2 seconds. Your card doing the same noise on that situation?
I doubt that is my PSU because after stopping after many hours torture tests in Prime95 in dont have that noise.
 
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aigomorla

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Well, I think it's probably the card. I have had a card crash numerous times until I replaced it and it was all good afterwards. Also there are many people who run 970/980 cards with no problems related to the driver myself included. It could be anything though, but I've found hardware to be the first source of problems for me.

ive been flipping so many of there drives that im scared to upgrade drivers now.

It either works with little bit of bugs, or its just a massive headache.

currently im on 344.80 driver set.
It doesnt like DA:I at all.

344.16 worked somewhat OK, but had terribad micro shuttering...

344.48 introduced non waking monitors.

344.60 introduced the secondary monitor flickering and distortion.

344.65 didnt like Guild Wars2 / Warframe / DX9 games in general....

344.75 was a "WTF Nvidia... did u guys fix anything?

344.80 BETA was Nvidia saying "OOPS... tehe pero..."

347.09 im hearing is a massive headache and a unpolished can of turd.
so im opting to skip on that driver set entirely.


Waiting on jan 27th when we get a new set of drivers.
But yeah... that is my driver update history... im sort of sad... Nvidia was not this bad before...

As for hardware problems... i highly doubt i have hardware problems.
My GPU's are watercooled, and work well on different drivers... its just one driver set doesnt work for EVERY game i play.
Its like a cut and paste... this one will work well on that but completely botch others, while others work on this... but botch the other set.

My GPU's both go down to power saving mode, i have HWmonitor logging my voltages and temps.... i see both cards downvolt to .0868V and my max load temps on both gpu's is no higher then 39C. I don't have the high pitch squeal noise, or any noise for that matter.
Im fairly sure my issue isnt hardware related.

GPU Shark shows 99% utilization for both 980GTX's in SLI... so my SLI is working... its just these dayam cards are so driver picky i want to pull my hair out sometimes and play the role of that fat kid ranting on youtube.

344.80 has completely killed my DA:I experience... i gave up on the game playing it a second time because im tired of it crashing left and right, and i dont want to downgrade my drivers due to the sleep bug issue or the distorted second screen issue.

So yeah... im just sitting here waiting for working drivers where at least 80% of my issues will be fixed, yet nvidia has failed to deliver. :\
 
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cmdrdredd

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I've no issues with 347.09. Both on the 970s I have now or the 670s I had previously. I think it's been 5 years or more since I've had a new game be unplayable due to driver.

Also Dragon Age Inquisition has a memory leak bug that eventually crashes the game. Unrelated to the GPU. I've gotten that one.
 

aigomorla

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I've no issues with 347.09. Both on the 970s I have now or the 670s I had previously. I think it's been 5 years or more since I've had a new game be unplayable due to driver.

Also Dragon Age Inquisition has a memory leak bug that eventually crashes the game. Unrelated to the GPU. I've gotten that one.

https://forums.geforce.com/default/...nvidia-347-09-beta-driver-feedback-thread/40/

like 80% of the feedbacks are issues...

its way more then 344.75 and 344.65 for that matter.

That is why 347.09 scares me.
Maybe i should give try 347.09, but when i always tend to read the feedback on new drivers and if it has more then 75% complaints, it worries me.

:biggrin:
 

cmdrdredd

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geforce.com is just complainers. A lot of people on there create their own problems or just don't have a clue.

One guy complains that minecraft is slow on his laptop while trying to use DSR. This next one is a perfect example of someone without a clue. Nowhere does he mention specific games he has issues with or if he is having performance trouble, in what situation. He just demands 60fps locked at 1080p. He is running a 4.4Ghz 4770k and a GTX 770. That isn't going to get you 60fps in every situation.

It is practically the same crap as always, Nvidia does not understand that what we want or at least in my case is a good gaming performance at a minimum at 1080p and 60fps rather useless options like DRS and nonsense of these, it seems incredible that in one months have only made a driver with two nonsense and nothing else, is are laughing at us and this is going to end soon.

And one more

In my opinion the whole system of the Nvidia drivers and directx combo is broken from the ground up. There should be low level access to the chip for everyone and the drivers should be transparent and written for the specific gpu not for the specific game. You will never have a perfectly stable system if this won't change.
 
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aigomorla

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i am going to take your advice and try out the 347.09 drivers.



i'll throw a few games on and check stability of them and respond back.

*crossing my fingers...*
 

DrBoss

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So last night I installed two MSI 970 Golden Editions to replace my MSI 670 Power Editions. Back when I first got the 670, I only had one (added the second GPU a few months later). The first 670 was a golden overclocker and I’m looking forward to cranking up the clocks on the 970’s… but I’ve got a question.

At the end of the day, I want an OC to use for gaming in SLI. Should I be OC’ing the cards together (having ticked the box in afterburner that applies the OC settings to all GPU’s), or should I OC them individually. It seems to make sense I do them together considering whichever card is weaker will ultimately limit my final OC. I’m not so concerned (at least at this point) with which card is better, I just want them working together in tandem.

I plan to start the OC endeavour this evening and post some Heaven results.

Sidenote: The cards have backplates which is very nice at supporting the weight of the all copper cooler/heatsink, BUT, the backplate adds thickness to the GPU. Due to the increased thickness, one of the capicitors on my HT Omega e-claro PCI-E sound card now touches the top cards backplate... any thoughts? Is this a problem? I could probably shim the sound card PCB with some rubber (or sim) to bend it a bit so that hte capacitor does not touch the backplate. Considering the backplate is plastic, I'd imagine that it touching is not really an issue, but I'd appreciate any pertinent feedback.

Cheers
 
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Pneumothorax

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Since from what I can understand on how SLI works, the slower card would weigh down the faster one anyway, so o/c one higher than the other would be moot...
 

DrBoss

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Man these things scream. Spent the evening downsampling Crysis @ 2880 x 1800... crazy good.
 

psolord

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Is there any article that studies the performance of 1440p and 4k vs the DSR downsamples of the same resolutions?

I mean is it the same if you have a 2560*1440 monitor or if you have a 1080p monitor and use 2560*1440 DSR?
 

DrBoss

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The performance hit resulting from higher resolutions is the same regardless of your monitors display resolution. I referenced Techpowerups 970 SLI Review when I downsampled Crysis 1, and found performance to be right on target with their benchmarks.
 
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skipsneeky2

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The performance hit resulting from higher resolutions is the same regardless of your monitors display resolution. I referenced Techpowerups 970 SLI Review when I downsampled Crysis 1, and found performance to be right on target with their benchmarks.

I never bought the first Crysis,i did toy a ton with the demo with benching and still do occasionally but i noticed from 900p to 1080p nearly all the higher end cards get to like 80-84fps and that is it?

From the single 970,to the 690 to the 980 to the 970 sli and all cards between at 900p get the same,i guess this is a max framerate delivered by their stock 4770k?
 

DrBoss

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I never bought the first Crysis,i did toy a ton with the demo with benching and still do occasionally but i noticed from 900p to 1080p nearly all the higher end cards get to like 80-84fps and that is it?

From the single 970,to the 690 to the 980 to the 970 sli and all cards between at 900p get the same,i guess this is a max framerate delivered by their stock 4770k?

Yeah, Crysis 1 is very much CPU limited at this point.

No matter how low I drop the resolution, I can't get my 970's past an average framerate of 85... the bottleneck is my 4.4 ghz i7-2600K. Though, even the most recent CPU isn't going to push the game much higher, the engine is simply not optimized to utilize 8 core uber CPU's.

It wasn't until I started to downsample the game that I finally started to see GPU usage head north of 70%. At 2880x1800, GPU usage is around 97% and frames have dropped to between 40-70 depending on if I add additional AA. Crysis 1 at 2880x1800 with 8xAA downsampled on a 1920x1200 monitor looks incredibly crisp. Jaggies are non existent and the game still manages to run well north of 30fps.

PS: This first Crysis is the best Crysis.
 
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skipsneeky2

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Yeah, Crysis 1 is very much CPU limited at this point.

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I noticed TPU removed the game from their benches as of October,there was barely 7 fps difference at 900p between a 290 and a 980 lol.I guess benching the game on something like my i7 3770 non k@ 3.7ghz would maybe produce a lower fps?

I told myself i would buy the game when a single card would max it out at 1080p lol. 1080p and a single 970 with no aa would be bottlenecked by a stock 3770 wouldn't it?I have no idea if the demo really represents the final product or not. Most likely not.
 
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