GTX 970 and GTX 980 is officially launched

[Cloudfire777]

Huge difference in temps with the 970 and 980...

Well the 980 got 3SMX more plus run higher clocks on the extra 384 cores.

The most important take-away for me is that the 980 is only 15% faster than the 970. It had seemed based on specs that it could be more than that.

Note that the GTX 780 they tested has a 140MHz overclock, making it faster than the 780 Ti, and therefore making these benches less useful than they seem. The 970 should not be benched against a faster card than the 980 is benched against.

If you got room for GTX 970 SLI then its a much better value than GTX 980

 

[Attic]

The most important take-away for me is that the 980 is only 15% faster than the 970. It had seemed based on specs that it could be more than that.

Note that the GTX 780 they tested has a 140MHz overclock, making it faster than the 780 Ti, and therefore making these benches less useful than they seem. The 970 should not be benched against a faster card than the 980 is benched against.

Nobody is going to want a GTX 780 with the release of the 970. They should bench the 970 against a non reference 290, Tri-X, PCS+, something at similar price point.

 

[Attic]

Well the 980 got 3SMX more plus run higher clocks on the extra 384 cores.



If you got room for GTX 970 SLI then its a much better value than GTX 980

970SLI with a bit of a clock, I can see the 670 users and 670SLI users running towards 970 and 970sli for upgrades.


Paging cmdrdredd!

 

[Cloudfire777]

970SLI with a bit of a clock, I can see the 670 users and 670SLI users running towards 970 and 970sli for upgrades.


Paging CMDRRRRR.

Huge performance difference between 970 and 670 and 970 even got 20W less TDP.
Its truly a really good card performance/thermal/price wise

 

[Termie]

Anyone with a 780ti want to post up some numbers of firestrike and firestrike extreme?

Will need other reviews before I get too cozy. 970 at $329 if some of these numbers hold would be mmmm G-R-E-A-T-!-!-! If it can clock, then watch out.

Here's my 780 Ti at stock boost in Fire Strike: http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2598164

Graphics score is about 600 points higher than they get. I do think there's something a bit off about their 780 Ti numbers. Just too low compared to the OC'd 780 they use. Should be very close, based on my experience with an OC'd 780 and the 780 Ti.

Anyway, we've got ballpark numbers here - pretty much what people expected. All that's important now is price.

 

[Attic]

Here's my 780 Ti at stock boost in Fire Strike: http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2598164

Graphics score is about 600 points higher than they get. I do think there's something a bit off about their 780 Ti numbers. Just too low compared to the OC'd 780 they use. Should be very close, based on my experience with an OC'd 780 and the 780 Ti.

Anyway, we've got ballpark numbers here - pretty much what people expected. All that's important now is price.

The compared to cards (290x, 780ti) numbers seem a bit off to lowside to me as well. Wonder if that translates into similar under reporting of 970 and 980 performance or not.

 

[Franzi]

Its the reference GTX 780 Ti. They just wrote down the base clock instead of boost clock.
928MHz is base clock

No thats the boost clock. Base clock for 780ti is 875Mhz, boost is 928Mhz.

http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-780-ti/specifications


My reference 780ti boosts to 1124Mhz on its own without any overclock though.

 

[Cloudfire777]

No thats the boost clock. Base clock for 780ti is 875Mhz, boost is 928Mhz.

http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-780-ti/specifications


My reference 780ti boosts to 1124Mhz on its own without any overclock though.

Ah well, the sample they used got GPU Boost as well. There is no point locking it down to 928MHz.

 

[Wild Thing]

Here's my 780 Ti at stock boost in Fire Strike: http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2598164

Graphics score is about 600 points higher than they get. I do think there's something a bit off about their 780 Ti numbers. Just too low compared to the OC'd 780 they use. Should be very close, based on my experience with an OC'd 780 and the 780 Ti.

Anyway, we've got ballpark numbers here - pretty much what people expected. All that's important now is price.

Price is $549 for GTX980

 

[Cloudfire777]

Isnt it a bit too early to list the GPU?
http://www.inno3d.com/products_detail.php?refid=120

 

[Attic]

Price is $549 for GTX980

If that holds then I'd expect the 970 will be $399 or even $449.

 

[SeanJ76]

Well if Evga didn't just send me 2x brand new 770GTX SC ACX for free, I would be ordering 2x 970's as we speak. Results look great!! We'll see how the SC's and Classified's do in the next month or so. Still, my hopes and dreams of a single gpu performing near my 770 SC Sli have been squashed. I really am sick of having to have 2x cards for games like Metro LL and Crysis 3, just to get above the 100fps in full ultra.

 

[JohnWayne74]

Well if Evga didn't just send me 2x brand new 770GTX SC ACX for free, I would be ordering 2x 970's as we speak. Results look great!! We'll see how the SC's and Classified's do in the next month or so. Still, my hopes and dreams of a single gpu performing near my 770 SC Sli have been squashed. I really am sick of having to have 2x cards for games like Metro LL and Crysis 3, just to get above the 100fps in full ultra.

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[wand3r3r]

It drops pretty fast from 1080p to 1440p, I guess 4k isn't going to be as good.

A decent card no doubt, not worth $550.
The 970 at $300ish will be a good card anyway.

 

[FatherMurphy]

Also, I'm not entirely sure that even an overclocked 780 will beat a stock 780ti, especially by the margins showed in these numbers. Seems suspect. Perhaps different test systems were used (i.e. different CPUs or clockspeeds).

 

[Enigmoid]

If Nvidia had released maxwell with a die shrink it would have been another 8800 moment. Take maxwell and add something like 50% area savings and 50% efficiency gains.

 

[tviceman]

The most important take-away for me is that the 980 is only 15% faster than the 970..

I think the 970 tested was an aftermarket with a factory OC. I think reference speeds 970 will have a bigger disparity in performance vs. 980's.

 

[tviceman]

If Nvidia had released maxwell with a die shrink it would have been another 8800 moment. Take maxwell and add something like 50% area savings and 50% efficiency gains.

20nm yields 1.9x transistor density and 30% perf/w improvement in best case scenarios. Realistically, density would average to be 1.6-1.7x and perf/w 25% better. Basically GM204 could have been ~250mm^2 and 25% more powerful than it is now had 20nm been viable.

The maxwell architecture is simply amazing vs. GCN and Kepler.

 

[wand3r3r]

The 780 was a GHz edition, not a vanilla 780.

The numbers don't align, at least on the 290x/780 ti comparison.

Using lower resolutions 1080p, 1440p? 4k is missing.

980 vs. 290x = 16% faster
980 vs. 780 ti = 13% faster

970 vs. 290x = 1.5% faster
970 vs. 780 GHz = -4.5% slower

http://wccftech.com/nvidia-maxwell-...0-15-faster-r9-290x-gtx-970-10-faster-r9-290/

 

[tviceman]

It drops pretty fast from 1080p to 1440p, I guess 4k isn't going to be as good.

A decent card no doubt, not worth $550.
The 970 at $300ish will be a good card anyway.

vs. a 780 TI in the games (which is the only thing that matters, IMO)

the 980 loses .15% in Dirt
4% in sleeping dogs
3% in Tomb Raider
4% in Thief
gains .68% in Batman
1.25% in Bioshock

I don't consider that "dropping fast." I think the 780 TI will have a smaller percentage drop off when using high amounts of AA so long as the 3gb frame buffer isn't a limitation, but IMO the fears of OMG SLOWER AT WUXVGA uber resolutions is going to prove warrant-less.

 

[wand3r3r]

vs. a 780 TI in the games (which is the only thing that matters, IMO)

the 980 loses .15% in Dirt
4% in sleeping dogs
3% in Tomb Raider
4% in Thief
gains .68% in Batman
1.25% in Bioshock

I don't consider that "dropping fast." I think the 780 TI will have a smaller percentage drop off when using high amounts of AA so long as the 3gb frame buffer isn't a limitation, but IMO the fears of OMG SLOWER AT WUXVGA uber resolutions is going to prove warrant-less.

Your numbers are off anyway.

I consider these big drops when only going from 1080p to 1440p:
18%-> 13%,
23->17%,
6->0%,
19->12%

To be pretty big drops when we are talking about a rumor of just 15% faster, chop it down 30% for one bump in resolution and 4k will be greater. I don't know why you want to avoid 4k (OMG WUXVGA in your words) when it is clearly going to become a lot more popular during these cards lifetime. Who will be going 4k? 750 ti users?

It does look like it will be weak at higher resolutions, at least based on this first "rumor" review.

 

[raghu78]

The performance / watt of Maxwell even on 28nm is outstanding. Maxwell on 20nm will be a beast. AMD has fallen far behind from the days of HD 4870, HD 5870 , HD 6970 when they had a significant perf / sq mm advantage. With Maxwell Nvidia holds all the advantages - perf, perf / sq mm and perf / watt.

a GTX 970 at $299 and R9 290X / GTX 780 OC perf would be an even bigger accomplishment than 8800 GT which involved a full node transition. bravo Nvidia.

 

[wand3r3r]

The performance / watt of Maxwell even on 28nm is outstanding. Maxwell on 20nm will be a beast. AMD has fallen far behind from the days of HD 4870, HD 5870 , HD 6970 when they had a significant perf / sq mm advantage. With Maxwell Nvidia holds all the advantages - perf, perf / sq mm and perf / watt.

a GTX 970 at $299 and R9 290X / GTX 780 OC perf would be an even bigger accomplishment than 8800 GT which involved a full node transition. bravo Nvidia.

I partially agree, it does appear the 970 is the clear winner (IF $300ish) here. The 980, not really or at all (at $550).

 

[tviceman]

To be pretty big drops when we are talking about a rumor of just 15% faster, c

Which is weird to me, because most/all reviews show a 780 TI to be 10-15% faster than a 290x at 1440p, and yet this leak shows the 980 to be 13% faster than a 780 TI, so the 980 should be 25% faster than the 290x at 1440p to begin with.

 

[sontin]

With 165W, it is even an improvement over the GTX750TI with 62W. It will be 3x faster while using only 2,66x more power...