GTX 970 and GTX 980 is officially launched

[tollingalong]

Considering the leaked water cooler, I doubt the 390 is going to come in below 400 watts. People are right, AMD is in a bit of trouble. The next 2-3 month is among the most crucial since we're approaching the holiday season. If AMD has no answer than Nvidia is going to clean up with the 970 and 980 come Christmas.

It's a bit shocking that the price is this low. Nvidia just released the Titan Z at $3000 under 1/2 year ago and this makes it absolutely obsolete.

IMO AMD is just going to just take a beating in direct GPU for as long as the eye can see. I personally see AMD rising to the top when they have stacked RAM on a iGPU.

 

[Eymar]

A $399 290x might fit. Probably has to get down to $349 with the 290 getting in under $300. But AMD is fish outta water as of today.

Maybe, as can really see the 970s being sold out or low availability for a while so AMD can get float along by just clearing out inventory while next cards come along. I would really like to know if internally at AMD they are blindsided (and do not have something in the next 6 months to compete) as I always assume that these two keep pretty close tabs on each other.

 

[KaRLiToS]

AMD is really screwed.

 

[Attic]

its jacked up pricing for the consumer with a 770 or especially 780 wanting to upgrade. a 780 is now worth crap after seeing a $330 970 so not only would the $550 price of 980 bite you in the ass, you will lose big time on the back end too. the price gap needs to be closer.

Yea, it's bombshell for yesterday's used high end cards. Where you gonna go if you want more than the 970 can give in single card? NVidia can price the 980 wherever it wants. 970sli of course going to get most folks attention before they drop $550 for the 980.

 

[jhu]

Any Blender benchmarks for this thing?

 

[guskline]

AMD is really screwed.

Agreed. My hat's off to Nvidia. I just changed from a Single GTX780 Classified - Water cooled to dual R9 290s watercooled.

Glad I bought used R9 290 Sapphire Tri_Xs for @$290 each.

If the GTX 970 is $329 it will be the BOMB!

Looks like the GTX970 was tailor-made for SLI!

 

[mindbomb]

AMD is really screwed.

They have to get out a full tonga and price it at $199

 

[KaRLiToS]

I'm still going to keep my 4 x 290x though until big die Maxwell.

 

[Subyman]

Never Settle Please Buy Our GPU Take These Games Plz God Forever game bundle to be announced in a few days. Includes every Steam game. Still a hard sell.

 

[toyota]

Seems just yesterday the 780 Ti and the 290X were released. Hard to imagine it's been almost a full year for them both.

to me it feels longer than that.

and maybe some of those Nvidia engineers can go teach Intel a thing or two so we can actually get a real improvement in cpus too. just dont send the ones that were responsible for Fermi...

 

[monstercameron]

Any Blender benchmarks for this thing?

I havent seen any but looking at its compute scores for luxmark et al, It seems likely to be more performant than any previous geforce card.

 

[weevilone]

A $399 290x might fit. Probably has to get down to $349 with the 290 getting in under $300. But AMD is fish outta water as of today, how soon do we see price cuts...

I just don't see how price cuts get anything done. They need new product.

 

[rolodomo]

its jacked up pricing for the consumer with a 770 or especially 780 wanting to upgrade. a 780 is now worth crap after seeing a $330 970 so not only would the $550 price of 980 bite you in the ass, you will lose big time on the back end too. the price gap needs to be closer.

Are you thinking about going SLI with a second, deeply discounted new or used 780? In view of the 970 release, a fairly priced, used 780 should be about $225 or so (maybe less). Could be a very cost-effective upgrade (if you don't mind dual-GPU(s)).

 

[toyota]

Are you thinking about going SLI with a second, deeply discounted new or used 780? In view of the 970 release, a fairly priced, used 780 should be about $225 or so (maybe less). Could be a very cost-effective upgrade (if you don't mind dual-GPU(s)).

I will never go SLI. and ironically all of those people buying 970 SLI setups will get no use out of them in Unreal Engine 4 which is likely to be a very common DX12 engine. UE4 does not support SLI which is insane.

and surely I will get more than 225 bucks for my card especially on ebay.

 

[Roland00Address]

Poor Ryan all those setups he has to run at all the different resolutions. What is that 36+ games/resolutions and he will have to test multiple cards.

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There is finally something significantly better than my 680. It only took 29 months. From 50% faster to a 100% faster and only using 8 watts more on crysis 3 load.

 

[RussianSensation]

This is insane. 970 SLI at $660.00 outperforms the 295x2 at $1,000.00

970 SLI come to daddy!

:thumbsup: This is a very decent upgrade for 670/680 SLI and 7970 CF users for a reasonable price after selling those old cards.

- 970 SLI vs. 780Ti at 1440/1600/4K is a no contest for $660!
- For anyone with a medium or larger case and 600W PSU, 970 SLI is far more preferable than a 980.
- AMD R9 290 needs to be $280 or below to make sense
- 970 = the next 8800GT! :biggrin:

I think AMD will have to drop the R9 295 X2 to $549-$599 for it to be competitive again.

Brings back the 4870X2 pricing memories. AMD has to be scrambling in their HQs about how they will compete with GM210 and what they are going to do once NV shrinks GM204 and release a shrunk 980 for $329. For every step AMD makes, NV will have an easy response with a combination of GM204 aggressive pricing/shrinking option and probably 970 SLI matching GM210 performance!

 

[DarkKnightDude]

Seems like just yesterday the 8800 GT got released. Good times.

 

[positivedoppler]

This is utterly ridiculous. I imagine both AMD and Nvidia will have 20 nm GPUs early in the first 1/2 of 2015 as TSC is ramping up production and Apple then Qualcomm is getting their fill. This is still an amazing amount of efficiency for a technology that might get displaced in under 1/2 year.

 

[rolodomo]

surely I will get more than 225 bucks for my card especially on ebay.

Well good on you! That means the 980/970 pricing isn't "jacked" for a consumer using a 780 after all.

 

[KaRLiToS]

well there you go... 256 bit card sitting on top of 384 and 512 bit cards.
and somehow NOT falling off from a cliff

You are really unninformed if you are comparing memory bus of different architectures.

According to your logic, the 384 bit bus GTX 780 should be better than the 256 bit GTX 980?

 

[toyota]

Well good on you! That means the 980/970 pricing isn't "jacked" for a consumer using a 780 after all.

um perhaps you are forgetting what most people paid for a 780...

 

[wand3r3r]

Is the image compression technique lossy?
Found it, it's not according to TPU.
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_980/2.html

 

[monstercameron]

Is the image compression technique lossy?

lossy would mean degraded image quality so I doubt it.

 

[RussianSensation]

You know when your new and shiney proprietary low level API is failing?

I wouldn't exactly call that failing when a much cheaper R9 290X competed with the more expensive 780Ti. You ignored that 280X on Mantle is just 2 fps behind the $650 MSRP originally launched 780 in that same chart! I mean considering a $329 970 is beating a 780Ti in that chart you linked, it's even more embarrassing for the 780Ti than for 290X and just gives you an overall sense of progress here regardless of DX vs. Mantle. Let's face it 970's and 980's pricing had a lot to do with how aggressive R9 290's pricing started to be in recent months. We have to give credit to AMD for bringing 64 ROPs and 4GB of VRAM for 4K. NV took all of that and improved on it.

I sure as hell would feel a lot more ripped off right now if I had spent a $1K on Titan or $700 on 780Ti than if I bought R9 290s for $800 in the last 6 months. And if someone bought 290s for $250-300 on eBay, they can't be too upset really. 970 looks very impressive from a performance/$ point of view because of how ridiculously overpriced Titan/780/780Ti have been for so long. At least AMD brought more sane pricing with R9 290s, which likely prompted NV to improve upon that level.

um perhaps you are forgetting what most people paid for a 780...

Right, but 780 at $650 was overpriced. It really should have launched at $499 to begin with as R9 290 for $399 showed just 5 months later. I still can't explain how NV was able to milk GK110 so badly for so long given the pricing of R9 290. If someone paid $450 or so for their 780, they didn't fare too bad actually. Now if you got a 780Ti for $699-750, that's got to hurt as a $330 970 is barely behind by 2-10% at 4K.

Not sure why you'd never want to go SLI. 980 is about 14-15% faster at 2560x1440/1600 cases over 970 which is basically a meaningless advantage but when SLI works, it will demolish the 980 for only $110 more.

Why wouldn't you take a 15% loss in performance vs. a 45%+ gain for only $110 more? Once overclocked, 980's advantage will shrink over the 970 since 980 comes with highest Boost Clock initially but they will overclock roughly the same.

970 SLI really shines in more demanding situations/games where the lead is far beyond 45% over the 980.

62% in C3

57% in BF4

68% in FC3

The extra 7-8 fps in demanding situations that 980 has over the 970 will do little to improve gameplay but the extra performance 970SLI brings over 980 is very large when you need it.

 

[f1sherman]

This is utterly ridiculous. I imagine both AMD and Nvidia will have 20 nm GPUs early in the first 1/2 of 2015 as TSC is ramping up production and Apple then Qualcomm is getting their fill. This is still an amazing amount of efficiency for a technology that might get displaced in under 1/2 year.

you mean every time new node is up, they need to start all over?
heard about a die shrink?

because NV's 20nm GPUs will be pure Maxwell; this is good as done