I find it really funny to watch people complain about price points of high end cards. They will never learn that its not sales that drives prices for video cards, its low demand.
Regardless what you read of tech sites, they simply don't make many high end cards, the purpose is exactly to keep prices high because not a large group buy them vs low/medium end cards. That is why every new release is almost sold out instantly for a couple days.
how so? 2900xt was viewed as a failure at launch and never made a dent and 470 was so-so against 5850.
290 at launch reset the landscape with amazing price/performance for $399 competing and sometimes beating $650/$500 GTX 780 and $1000 titan. 290 is still the best value available now and is aging very gracefully.
Unless your only referring to its high temperature/noise due to shoddy ref cooler, Id say its a lot closer to the 8800 GT
I wonder what dual Titan X owners will have to say when Triple 980Tis smoke them for a similar price 2.5 months later, and after-market 980Ti SLI offers 95% of the performance for $500-600 less
I guess it takes a pretty good job to have a real job. That's not a cheap hobby buying multiple sets of the latest and greatest a year.
Maybe it's just me as I age, but I simply don't care for the drama and headaches that seem to be associated with being a modern PC gamer.
My 290 has never had anything but slow and constant performance improvements inflicted on it. That, and it paid for itself during the mining era. That, and it now beats the $1000 GK110 Titan.
I guess it takes a pretty good job to have a real job. That's not a cheap hobby buying multiple sets of the latest and greatest a year.
Anyway, I didn't want to completely derail the 980Ti thread (it is a cool card), just pointing out that I feel that NV's pricing and positioning of their high end cards is making me re-think the viability of PC gaming going forward.
Right, but if it's your only or #1 hobby, it's rather cheap. Think about how much more expensive golfing or taking tennis lessons is? Or downhill skiing or scuba diving, which means skiing/diving in foreign countries which costs thousands of dollars.
I think it's about priorities and where PC building/gaming lies in a person's hobby scale. Also, how often do you see gamers post their uber rigs but their house/car is nothing special in the background pics? There are a few high-end gamers who drive Porsche 911s or Audi R8s/Aston Martins, etc. for whom $1000-1500 flagship cards are pocket change, but I bet there are people who don't even have a car or have a Honda Accord/Camry that own 780Ti/Titan X SLI. I am sure if you wanted to and your #1 priority was having top-of-the-line gaming rig, you could buy dual Titan Xs every 2 years.
Think about it, how many people get $200 smartphone + $60-80 x 24 months plans? Most don't even think about it because to them a smartphone is a way bigger priority than a $1000 graphics card.
Back in the days, I worked and saved up for a $2,500 PC, which included a $550 graphics card. Back then I didn't even think about future-proofing or any of that. I went out and bought that PC, and it became outdated in 7 months (9700 Pro came out :biggrin. My income today is far higher than it was when I was a teenager but I probably wouldn't buy a $2,500 PC today at once. I would buy an expensive $1K monitor or $1K headphones because I know either will last 5-7+ years. I think the stagnation of PC gaming graphics has a lot to do with it. Another way to think about it, is we can enjoy games by turning some setting down and still get a better gaming experience than you can get an XB1/PS4. You do not need Titan X SLI to achieve that.
As we age, our tastes might change too. Today I'd rather spend more $ on sports gear or audio (new downhill skiing equipment, new tennis racket, new high-end speed skates, high-end audio equipment/headphones, gym membership, etc.). As I get older, I enjoy outdoor activities far more than gaming. And honestly, your body thanks you for it too. So you get a bonus of doing something fun that makes you healthier. When you feel and look healthier, it could make you more confident and perform in your professional life and with women too. Over time, for many people it's not whether to spend $1000-2000 on something but how will that improve you/your life. Will 20-25 extra FPS improve your life more than biking 1 hour a day 5 days a week? Imo, no, but it's about priorities and everyone has a choice.
That's why I really admire Jay from JaysTwoCents. He got a $2500 bike to help him with his weight loss. Unlike the $700 980Ti/Fiji XT that will become outdated piece of crap in 5 years, that expensive bike will help to keep him healthier and in 5 years, it's still a very good bike. At the same time he manages to balance different passions he has outside of gaming. I have a lot more respect for someone who has multiple hobbies and goals because it makes the person multi-dimensional.
One of the positives is that higher-end cards like 980Ti or Fiji XT will force price drops on cards like the 980. You don't need to have a 980Ti as 980 today is already a viable upgrade from a 780 given the poor performance of Kepler in many games, especially GW titles. Maybe you can wait it out another 6 months and try to catch a good deal on a 980 or something. Alternatively, 780 when overclocked is still a solid card. It wouldn't be that difficult for you to ride it out until Pascal.
I wonder what dual Titan X owners will have to say when Triple 980Tis smoke them for a similar price 2.5 months later, and after-market 980Ti SLI offers 95% of the performance for $500-600 less. This time it's far worse than 780Ghz making the Titan obsolete for gaming since 980Ti is barely cut down and to exacerbate the marketing flop of the Titan brand this round, it doesn't even have DP to make it a stand out compute card.
I don't think they really care, they are the ones with plenty of money, they want the best, and have money to burn. If I were them I'd buy another titan for 1000$ and call it a day.
Think I can get another 970 and another SSD and more RAM and write it off as an expense on my 1099 for the freelance CAD design work I'm doing from home? :hmm:
I'm more making a point about the dollar expenditure over time to maintain that level of bleeding edge graphics hardware when compared to the possible performance level of alternatives than about necessarily the raw cost.
In years a 3440x1440 screen for work will continue to be a lovely screen to spend 40+ hours a week looking at. With the cadence of releases to take the performance crown, it's a huge cost over time for a very marginal increase. $2000 / 5 years is a very different calculation than $2000 / 5 months. At that point spending the money on a membership that gets me access to a US open venue is viable if I remember the pricing right and I walk.
I would think that most of us that can afford to upgrade every generation factor that into our hobby. I spend far more on my shooting (competitive) habit, guns and ammo aren't cheap. I won't even go into maintaining my property and garden. Obviously you have other priorities, fortunately for some of us we have multiple hobbies that we can afford to spend our well earned money on. To each his own I say.
Just 2.5 years since OG Titan launched, $660 GTX970 SLI beat it for 1/3 the price.
Doesn't the 290 also handily beat the OG Titan (so $500 CF)? Seems like OG Titan was the worst video card purchase of all time on performance per dollar.
Isn't it better to sell the 970 and get a 980Ti then? At least you'd get consistent performance from 1 card. That's what I would do. Also, 6GB of VRAM or even Titan X for CAD sounds more believable for productivity if you get audited than SLI.
Maybe, but I doubt even a 980 Ti would make much of a dent in my taxable income in the end. Plus, the work is scheduled to end June 5th, and I doubt it will be available by then...
Maybe I can add some other stuff, such as a nice 21:9 screen for work productivity! ()
Not worth it. Bang for the buck is all that matters and shame on you for being in the 1% of gamers. Just buy it and don't mention it because it is all about you just bragging.
Nobody using CF is "waiting" to play a damn thing, seeing as you can just play in single GPU mode. CF works well, when there are drivers for it. Hey, it's even smoother than SLI is (but shh, Nvidia diehards here no longer bring up smoothness). Using multi-GPU comes with it's downsides. If you don't want to deal with it, stick with a single card like the vast majority of gamers do.
In demanding games, you most certainly are waiting. Sure you can play it, but you're still waiting to play it a whole lot better. Project Cars is another game where a CF profile is non-existent. Heck, they don't even have their single card performance up to par in that game. Driver support for new games has been nothing short of atrocious as of late.
This. It went from being pretty danged good to losing / being equal to a "lowly" 7970GHz / 280X in some newer titles.Kepler is not cutting it in current games, likely because Nvidia is not optimizing drivers for Kepler (current theory which I agree with). 2 980's can run the game at 4k with hairworks enabled.
Yo! Went from 2x 780 to 2x 290 @ 290X and MADE some profit in the processthat is not just sad, that is down right insulting. I wonder what % of the kepler owners would realize this and switch their brand :thumbsup:
Single card AMD performance in a game that uses PhysX extensively and pervasively is not going to happen.
However it does appear to have a Crossfire profile since 15.3 in March.
This article even seems to verify it http://wccftech.com/project-cars-4k-recommended-graphic-cards-4k-experience/
295x2 appears to be using both GPUs.
Are you sure you didn't just want to sling mud?