gtx570 pictured; near-GTX480 specs

[blastingcap]

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Dec. 8, 2010 release. 690/1380/3800MHz

5-series is marginally faster clock for clock than 4-series, but assuming that this is a 512-core part and not 480-core, then that would boost things by ~5-6% on top of the slight efficiency gain. The clocks are SLOWER than GTX480 though. So more cores and more efficiency vs. slower clocks.

I think it'll end up being a draw at stock clocks, between the GTX480 and the GTX570.

The overclocked GTX570 should easily beat a stock GTX480, though, and probably with lower power/heat/noise as well, if they keep the vapor chamber first seen in the GTX580.

I'm guessing a SEP of $399.

 

[AtenRa]

AMD had a 6-7 months lead with the 5800 series (timeframe) and now they are one month behind, not good at all.

Let’s hope that AMD’s HD6970 will be introduced at $399 and be faster than GTX570 in order for NV to lower prices for both GTX580/70 (if GTX570 will depute at $399).

 

[edplayer]

Let’s hope that AMD’s HD6970 will be introduced at $399 and be faster than GTX570 in order for NV to lower prices for both GTX580/70 (if GTX570 will depute at $399).

This.

Even if the 6970 is slightly slower than the 580, $399 would be good. If it were 90%+ as fast on average, that would be a good price

 

[Dribble]

Hopefully the reason it's close to the GTX 580 is because the GTX 560 is quick and if it were any slower it would end up competing with that.

 

[ScorcherDarkly]

AMD had a 6-7 months lead with the 5800 series (timeframe) and now they are one month behind, not good at all.

To be fair, NV didn't pull out a brand new architecture, or even modify the existing architecture. They fixed the architecture they had out to begin with. The 580 isn't Fermi 2, it's Fermi 1 with all the bugs fixed. That makes it a lot easier to turn a "new" product out. I imagine if AMD wasn't releasing a new series, the 580 would have been the 485 or 490 instead. So while by the numbering schemes and release dates they are a "month behind", I still see AMD being half a generation ahead architecture-wise.

Now, the scary thought is what if NV had gotten a fully functional 480 released in April instead of November? Or even in Sept/Oct when they originally planned to release? AMD would have been buried.

It's also interesting to me that people seem to equate releasing later than the competitor as releasing "late". Was Fermi late because it was well known that NV wanted to release in Fall 2009, not Spring 2010? Or was Fermi late because they released seven months after AMD? I tend to think the former, but your phrasing seems to suggest the later. The original rumored date for the 6900 series launch wasn't even until 4 days from now. If AMD had released on the 22nd, would AMD be getting dinged for being two weeks late due to the 580 launch, even though they were releasing on their scheduled timeframe? At what point do differences in release dates become small enough to be negligible? I tend to think AMD releasing the 6900 series "late" is going to be a minimal factor in this generation. If NV had released multiple cards at multiple price points two weeks ago, it might have been bigger, but the population of people that must spend $500 on a video card RIGHT NOW is pretty darn small.

 

[n0x1ous]

To be fair, NV didn't pull out a brand new architecture, or even modify the existing architecture. They fixed the architecture they had out to begin with. The 580 isn't Fermi 2, it's Fermi 1 with all the bugs fixed. That makes it a lot easier to turn a "new" product out. I imagine if AMD wasn't releasing a new series, the 580 would have been the 485 or 490 instead. So while by the numbering schemes and release dates they are a "month behind", I still see AMD being half a generation ahead architecture-wise.

I guess you could look at it that way, but really AMD architecture up through the tweaked 6800 series is the same since r600 in 2006, whereas Fermi is brand new architecture from the ground up as of this year.

So really architecturally, nvidia isn't in need of a new one at the moment they just needed to get the other issues straightened out with their new arch, whereas AMD would see more of an improvment from a totally new architecture, which it appears, won't be here till next year.

 

[Jdawg84]

Nvidia has seriously Sucker punched Amd and i love it. Imagine if the rumors are true and the yields are HORRIBLE and they push the 6970 back to January.

 

[MentalIlness]

So how late was FERMI to begin with ? And it sucked upon release "hot, loud, noisy, expensive"...So now we have a GTX 580 which is "FERMI REDUX" which is a $500+ part, which is the same thing as a GTX480. So the "true" FERMI is really how late ? A year ? Or ?

Nvidia did not "sucker punch" anybody.

Less power, cooler and less noise does not make it new. Maybe Ill save your post until the 6900 Series is released, then remind you of it ?

I got dibs on Jdawg84's post as it being sig-worthy.

 

[Jdawg84]

So how late was FERMI to begin with ? And it sucked upon release "hot, loud, noisy, expensive"...So now we have a GTX 580 which is "FERMI REDUX" which is a $500+ part, which is the same thing as a GTX480. So the "true" FERMI is really how late ? A year ? Or ?

Nvidia did not "sucker punch" anybody.

Less power, cooler and less noise does not make it new. Maybe Ill save your post until the 6900 Series is released, then remind you of it ?

I got dibs on Jdawg84's post as it being sig-worthy.

Don't make excuses for Amd. They dropped the Ball with the 6970 so far and who knows if it's even going to come out as expected. The 580 came out of nowhere. I still remember people on this forum saying the 580 will paper launch and be available sometime in March.

 

[sawtx]

That is a pretty bad photoshop, is it that hard to color in a circle fully.

 

[MentalIlness]

Whatever you say Jdawg....Fermi is around a "year" late. And AMD is a few weeks late, and NV sucker punched them with the same architecture ? More cores don't make it new, and it is undeserving of the 580 name. As I have seen on multiple forums, just a GTX 480 "done right" Its just a "shame" it took them "that long" to get it right.

Probably didn't call it the GTX 485 to confuse buyers into thinking they are getting something new. And a "checkbox" feature to keep it cool is not new either.

And there is "no" excuses" for AMD here, my last 5 cards were Nvidia. So why don't you "stop" calling me a fanboy.

I'll admit, Im an AMD fan "still does not give "you" the right to accuse", But that would "NOT" stop me from buying NV. That is if I could benefit from it.

But like I have said before, there is "no game" I play where the NV cards dominate AMD ones. " And "do not" use the excuse of the games I play being older"

And anyway, a few frames here and there above the AMD average there is no noticeable difference in gameplay.

Since I play at 1080P.

So let's see. I can pay mid $200's for a AMD card, and get an average of 75 fps at 1080P "in games I play", or spend over $500 for a NV card, and get an average of 100 or so fps at 1080P in "games I play", OR....I can spend a hair "over $500 for "two (2)" AMD cards, that totally dominate the 580 "games I play". But would I notice a difference from one to two AMD cards at 1080 " I am inclined to think not.

Post saved.

 

[J-Money]

Probably didn't call it the GTX 485 to confuse buyers into thinking they are getting something new. And a "checkbox" feature to keep it cool is not new either.

But AMD renaming a bunch of 5xxx cards 6xxx cards is ok right?

 

[Genx87]

I have now heard it all. Fermi is over a year late.

 

[Idontcare]

Folks please get back to the topic, thread is full of derail.

I am contemplating deleting every post and just stripping it back to the OP so you guys can have a redo...

Moderator Idontcare

 

[ginfest]

But AMD renaming a bunch of 5xxx cards 6xxx cards is ok right?

This-conveniently forgotten by some

 

[Axon]

Very impressive if true. NV is kicking a little tail right now. As many speculated, all fermi needed was a solid refresh to become a killer product. Tom's Hardware hinted about these releases in their 6850/6870 review. Glad I waited.

 

[sawtx]

Come on guys it's a photoshopped 580.

 

[MentalIlness]

LOL @ singling out one phrase from my entire post to fit your agenda.

Get back on topic guys. I posted my opinion on the matter, and several here singled it out as fanboyism.

Which isnt surprising. So yea, please delete "all" posts and have a redo.

 

[blastingcap]

Nvidia has seriously Sucker punched Amd and i love it. Imagine if the rumors are true and the yields are HORRIBLE and they push the 6970 back to January.

You don't like competition in the market? You like paying higher prices?

And, sorry guys, my eyes weren't sharp enough to see that dark spot. But it makes sense that a GTX570 is coming out at SOME point in time... and most people were expecting it to be ~GTX480 perf level.

 

[dguy6789]

Nvidia has seriously Sucker punched Amd and i love it. Imagine if the rumors are true and the yields are HORRIBLE and they push the 6970 back to January.

Yeah man. That GTX 580 just came out. It's slower and more expensive than AMD's year old flagship card. Really caught AMD by surprise. What will they do now? AMD is doomed!

All the release of the 580 did was show that AMD does not need to release a new high end product at all(They obviously are going to, but they definitely don't need to).

 

[OCGuy]

Yeah man. That GTX 580 just came out. It's slower and more expensive than AMD's year old flagship card. Really caught AMD by surprise. What will they do now? AMD is doomed!

All the release of the 580 did was show that AMD does not need to release a new high end product at all(They obviously are going to, but they definitely don't need to).

...

Yea, that's exactly what it shows!

Uhh......huh?

 

[Genx87]

Yeah man. That GTX 580 just came out. It's slower and more expensive than AMD's year old flagship card. Really caught AMD by surprise. What will they do now? AMD is doomed!

All the release of the 580 did was show that AMD does not need to release a new high end product at all(They obviously are going to, but they definitely don't need to).

Uh huh, I am sure they love having a gap between their dual GPU card the 5970 at 500-600 and the 6870@ 250.

 

[biostud]

I'd rather have some news on the GTX 560

 

[nitromullet]

Come on guys it's a photoshopped 580.

Yeah, the source of this information is a little weak. Probably a little pre-mature to be taking this info as fact.

 

[tviceman]

http://translate.google.com/transla...ewthread.php%3Ftid=37829&from=recommend_f

Dec. 8, 2010 release. 690/1380/3800MHz

5-series is marginally faster clock for clock than 4-series, but assuming that this is a 512-core part and not 480-core, then that would boost things by ~5-6% on top of the slight efficiency gain. The clocks are SLOWER than GTX480 though. So more cores and more efficiency vs. slower clocks.

I think it'll end up being a draw at stock clocks, between the GTX480 and the GTX570.

The overclocked GTX570 should easily beat a stock GTX480, though, and probably with lower power/heat/noise as well, if they keep the vapor chamber first seen in the GTX580.

I'm guessing a SEP of $399.

Hmmm.... it might launch at $399, but gtx470 launched at $349, and the price could be quickyl adjusted when the hd6900 series launches. However, not much info with that link. If those end up being clock speeds that is good and a Dec. 8th would be great though. It's widely assumed (although not verified) that gtx570 will have 1 cluster disabled just like gtx480 (480 cores)... I wonder if there will be a memory controller disabled too, though. If power draw is less than a gtx470 and temps are in line with what gtx580 is showing, then it'll be a good product.