GTX580 reviews thread

[Arkadrel]

@happy medium

So Hardware canucks are saying on avg. the 580 is 2% faster than the 5970?

You can buy a 5970 for "$469.99 with Rebate" on newegg.
Cheapest 580 I could find was 559$ on newegg

90$ for 2% more performance.

 

[MentalIlness]

http://techreport.com/articles.x/19934

 

[bryanW1995]

Its a good card, but it was overhyped. Most people i feel were expecting more than 10-15% more performance than the 580. The wattage and temps are nice, but lets be honest here, the 580 isnt competing against the 480 much, and not much looks bad compared to the 480 in an efficiency standpoint. The main competition will be the 6970. It seems like it will outperform it, and the power and temps might swing with the smaller die as well. I thought it would be closer. We havent seen the 6970 yet, but ive changed my guess from inseperable between the 580 and 6970, to a win for the 6970.

I disagree. 6970 is going to be more power hungry than 5870 was, so it will likely be hotter/louder as well or at least require better cooling. So what we have is a gtx 580 that behaves more like a 5870 in noise/power/thermals and a 6970 that behaves more like a gtx 480. amd is targeting higher performance in this round and nvidia has corrected their mistake, so the power/noise/heat argument is unlikely to sway many purchasing decisions like the last round.

 

[Genx87]

@happy medium

So Hardware canucks are saying on avg. the 580 is 2% faster than the 5970?

You can buy a 5970 for "$469.99 with Rebate" on newegg.
Cheapest 580 I could find was 559$ on newegg

90$ for 2% more performance.

For now, but clearly the 5970 is on its way out. And it is imo silly to compare the pricing of SLI\CF vs single GPU solutions. The 460 and 6850 SLI\CF are better buys when everything is working than either the 580 or 5970. But they have their drawbacks as well.

 

[MentalIlness]

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/37789-nvidia-geforce-gtx-580-review.html

 

[happy medium]

think it's about time for a thread comparing 6870 crossfire and it's amazing scaling and low price against the overpriced GTX 485(580) refresh.

I would agree to this and also agree that AMD has finally gotten there crossfire drivers together. with the 68xx series. Thats the difference Grover. When the gtx 460 was released AMD's crossfire drivers were a mess.
Agreed?

 

[happy medium]

@happy medium

So Hardware canucks are saying on avg. the 580 is 2% faster than the 5970?

You can buy a 5970 for "$469.99 with Rebate" on newegg.
Cheapest 580 I could find was 559$ on newegg

90$ for 2% more performance.

Come on dude, the gtx 580 was just released , of coarse there going to have inflated prices. The gtx 580's MSRP is 499$. Don't forget the 10% off code for the gtx 580, thats 55$ off, so the gtx 580 is 505$ without rebate.

 

[96Firebird]

Don't forget about drivers, since that is what I see evertime a new AMD card is released...

"The drivers will get better with time and then the GTX 580 will surpass the HD5970."

That's how it goes, right?

 

[Aristotelian]

It's good to see certain forum regulars back to their old posting ways. Haven't we been over how small the $499+ market is for video cards? Calling (even a good card, like the 580) a 'huge win' for Nvidia is a gross misrepresentation of the direct impact the 580 will have on Nvidia's sales figures.

I think Nvidia released the 580 before the other parts to secure the image that the GF110 is more quiet and uses less power in addition to being faster than GF100 (and 104?). The Anandtech reviewer, Ryan, wrote that Nvidia will release the rest of the 5XX series reasonably soon. As a product line-up the 5XX could fare quite well, and AMD's timing on releasing their 69XX series will be crucial in this holiday season's competition.

I don't know why people act as if (ref: "game, set and match" type posts) there's some huge win here. Nvidia promised that their next iteration would be quieter, less power hungry and perform faster. Check the marketing display at PDX LAN. If Nvidia hadn't delivered on that promise the 580 would be a failure. But that Nvidia delivered doesn't mean that we are heralding in the be all and end all of gaming, yeesh. They did what they said they would do (and really, what they were supposed to do given the customer feedback re: noise, heat).

Having said all that, I'm interested in seeing the 6970 versus 580. I think that they will be roughly similar in performance at stock levels, and the 580 (in the 2 reviews I've seen) hasn't overclocked well, so that'll be something else to check out. Personally, I'm not a big fan of multi gpu configurations myself, but it'd be nice to see a single card competitor from Nvidia for the 6990.

 

[bryanW1995]

I cant believe people deriding the 580 because the 5970 is faster (well marginally), someone tell me when the last time AMD's next generation was faster than the competitors dual GPU card...

Honestly this forum is going downhill. We have AMD next generation, slower than that it replaces getting rave review because they fixed CF and actually got the OC scaling working, when NV produce another card, faster and better power and thermals, we have AMD guys yawning...LMAO!

Im no fan of AMD, but I certainly dont bad mouth every product of theirs every single post like some on these forums...

It getting like we need separate forums for Red and green as its beyond a joke now!

barts was originally supposed to replace 5770. it ended up being so impressive that they were able to price it higher and replace 58x0 with it, instead. think more like 8800gtx -> 8800gt; 8800gt was slightly slower but overall a much better value. 6870 is ~ 1/2 the price that 5870 was at launch. a more useful naming scheme would have been 6860/6840 imho.

 

[MentalIlness]

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2010/11/09/nvidia_geforce_gtx_580_video_card_review

 

[exar333]

You embarress yourself by posting that. Not that most folks don't write off your posts immediately anyways. You made endless threads ranting about 460 SLI being the second coming. Not that any forum goers here will be surprised by this considering it is nv.

5970 is still faster than a 580.

I think it's about time for a thread comparing 6870 crossfire and it's amazing scaling and low price against the overpriced GTX 485(580) refresh.

Give me a break. This isn't AMD Zone here.

If 20% performance improvement, lower power usage, cooler temps, and quieter operation is just a "refresh" then I want EVERY product to get refreshes all the time.

The fanboy comments on the forum here are getting rediculous. The 580 will only get better with driver updates, and it's already within spitting distance of the 5970. I seem to remember when we said a new card at the speed of the last gen's 2xGPU was a GOOD thing. Sure it's not perfect, but its a definite improvement over the 480.

Its naive and foolish to compare this to a 280->285 refresh.

 

[happy medium]

Don't forget about drivers, since that is what I see evertime a new AMD card is released...

"The drivers will get better with time and then the GTX 580 will surpass the HD5970."

That's how it goes, right?

Do you read Alienbabletech?

They have great article on drivers and show the real performance increases for the respected cards.

In fact the gtx series is still seeing improvments, the 5000 series stopped at the 10.3's except for crossfire improvments.

ANd yes the gtx 580 will see another 10% improvement (average) in its life cycle and easily surpass the 5970. I think most would agree.

I wonder if the 68xx series will see any improvements? I would think so.

 

[MentalIlness]

http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-580-review/

 

[Aristotelian]

@happy medium

So Hardware canucks are saying on avg. the 580 is 2% faster than the 5970?

You can buy a 5970 for "$469.99 with Rebate" on newegg.
Cheapest 580 I could find was 559$ on newegg

90$ for 2% more performance.

Did you even read the chart? It's a comparison of the 580 to each of the 480 and the 5970. The 580, on the whole, appears to be an 18% improvement over the 480, but 2% slower than the 5970. Happy_medium thinks that because the 5970 is a multi-gpu card that the 580 gets the nod over the 5970, and I think he's right. Whether or not the performance of the 580 is worth it, money wise, is almost always a subjective claim (on my view) based on one's purchasing power.

 

[Genx87]

Give me a break. This isn't AMD Zone here.

If 20% performance improvement, lower power usage, cooler temps, and quieter operation is just a "refresh" then I want EVERY product to get refreshes all the time.

The fanboy comments on the forum here are getting rediculous. The 580 will only get better with driver updates, and it's already within spitting distance of the 5970. I seem to remember when we said a new card at the speed of the last gen's 2xGPU was a GOOD thing. Sure it's not perfect, but its a definite improvement over the 480.

Its naive and foolish to compare this to a 280->285 refresh.

Nvidia could crap out a product that is 2 times faster than the 5970 and it wouldnt be enough for some on here. These are the same people who praised the 6850 and 6870 for providing lower performance for the cards they are replacing(5850,5870) but better thermals and noise + smaller die while they attack the 580 for providing better performance, lower thermals, noise, and die size compared to the 480.

 

[exar333]

Did you even read the chart? It's a comparison of the 580 to each of the 480 and the 5970. The 580, on the whole, appears to be an 18% improvement over the 480, but 2% slower than the 5970. Happy_medium thinks that because the 5970 is a multi-gpu card that the 580 gets the nod over the 5970, and I think he's right. Whether or not the performance of the 580 is worth it, money wise, is almost always a subjective claim (on my view) based on one's purchasing power.

Also add to the fact that the GTX 580 MSRP is $499 (which is about what Newegg sells this for after the 10% markup + the 10% off coupon - go figure!).

Its a toss-up really. Both cards are great performers.

 

[MentalIlness]

http://hothardware.com/Reviews/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-580-A-New-Flagship-Emerges/

http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=1034&type=expert&pid=1

http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-580-review/

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2010/11/09/nvidia_geforce_gtx_580_video_card_review

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/37789-nvidia-geforce-gtx-580-review.html

http://techreport.com/articles.x/19934

 

[bryanW1995]

Well in that case I guess that makes the whole AMD 5000 crossfire driver series perfect because your 4850 x2 ran good. Thats a great point.

ROFLMAO!!

I'm glad you noticed that, too. that's a strawman if I ever saw one.

 

[Skurge]

you're gaming at 1280x1024 and you are looking at gtx 580?

I think he was being sarcastic.

 

[Aristotelian]

These are the same people who praised the 6850 and 6870 for providing lower performance for the cards they are replacing(5850,5870)

Where did you get that from? Rationally, the 5870 was the flagship single card gpu (and the 6970 will match that function) and the 5850 is matched with the 6950. Nobody has argued that a replacement card is better for performing worse. Mind linking to some posts to back up the claims you're making here?

Also, do you expect people to be running around in the streets yelling with joy or something? At PDX LAN the gamers had to be prompted by the speaker to get enthusiastic about the upcoming line-up. It's a good card. Whether or not it's worth the money is up to each individual.

 

[bryanW1995]

The comment on furmark being invalid is a stupid one. Their software throttles when it recognizes furmark/occt. What if a few months from now, games come out that puts the GPU at 100% load and cards die because they weren't able to cope.. just because they "were safe" as it throttles in furmark. Many NV cards died with SC2 at release.

What i want to know is just something simple: Can the gtx580 handle max load and remain stable? So i hope future reviews take this into account and disable throttling and see if the GPU/cooler can handle it. Because if it can't, it shouldn't even be sold lest consumers have their brand new expensive GPUs die in a future game.

I'm not biased, if AMD did this, i would have the same opinion. Other than this, its a great product, kudos to NV for pulling off a good GPU.

1. AT used a different program, gtx 580 is fine at "max load".
2. of course you're not biased, you're just an amd insider who had exclusive knowledge about 68x0 release. of course, that info proved to be almost 100% FALSE. Care to make any 69x0 predictions?

edit: n/m, I see that you state as fact that 6970 will be faster than 5870. Is this a REAL fact or just a silverforce opinion that was presented as fact?

 

[MentalIlness]

 

[96Firebird]

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...ws/37789-nvidia-geforce-gtx-580-review-8.html

1150MHz core speed with voltage tweak? Can't wait for that review...

 

[Arkadrel]

@MentalIlness
the 580 either scales horribly in SLI (with current drivers) or its CPU bottlenecked.
That might change in the future with new cpus comeing out, and with nvidia haveing time to work on SLI drivers.